Can't make trades for players with a more expensive contract

Gixugif · 04-25-2013, 05:10 PM

Since the previous version of OOTP I haven't been able to make trades that result in my budget room being decreased. I have a positive amount and the trades don't put it in the negatives, but I still cannot make the trade unless it results in a gain or at least no change in my budget room.

Is this some bug, setting, or is there something about financials I just don't understand here?

sc_superstar · 04-25-2013, 05:34 PM

Are you playing with full coaches and scouting? If so they along with development may be eating most of your budget.

If you go into your financial page you can see your "amount available for free agents" and "amount available for extensions"

Those also applies to trades as well. For this year the game will prorate the % of the season left. The game will then check to see if you can afford the player long term (if they have years remaining on their contract or are due arbitration), if both conditions are met it will allow the trade.

Example being, at the halfway point of the season you wish to make a trade.

You have 2 million "available for FA" and 5 million "available for extensions"

The game would allow you to trade for up to 4 million in salary for this year and 5 million for any year after.

Its very easy to mistake thinking you have a payroll of 60 million and a budget of 100 million that you should have 40 million left over, but thats not always the case

Matt Arnold · 04-25-2013, 05:38 PM

I've seen cases in the trade screen where I try to trade with a team and it says, "LA cannot complete this trade as their budget will drop from 21M available to 19M available".

The 2 possible causes:
1. Bug in calculating available expenses
2. The deal will cause a future year budget to go outside of scope. So while you may have space in your budget this year, if the player you take on has a contract for next year (or is still arbitration eligible), then you may not have room in your future budget.

snepp · 04-25-2013, 06:13 PM

As was noted in another thread, cash isn't taken into account for budget purposes in trades, it's the pre-cash budget room that matters.

Gixugif · 04-27-2013, 06:33 PM

Oops, between work and computer troubles I forgot about this thread.

Superstar and Habs seem to be correct though. While I have enough budget room on the trade screen I don't actually have a budget for free agency or extensions at all .

Why does it not reflect that on the trade screen? It's pretty idiotic that it's giving me the wrong information / not enough information there.

kylemmie · 04-27-2013, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gixugif

Oops, between work and computer troubles I forgot about this thread.

Superstar and Habs seem to be correct though. While I have enough budget room on the trade screen I don't actually have a budget for free agency or extensions at all .

Why does it not reflect that on the trade screen? It's pretty idiotic that it's giving me the wrong information / not enough information there.

Just a guess - but could it be the flip side of the issue I am experiencing in the thread referenced by snepp?

Do you currently have a negative Cash (on hand) situation?

Gixugif · 04-28-2013, 09:24 AM

Well, see for yourself. The difference between yours and my screen that I immediately notice is that on the financials you have a budget room of + 16mil or so, and on the trade screen it's a big negative. Mine is the same number on both screens:

kylemmie · 04-28-2013, 11:46 AM

It is confusing - why the one section clearly shows budget room of 3M but you have zero FA$ avail. And that's not even counting the (apparently) untouchable 1M in cash....

As an accountant it is frustrating as hell not being able to drill down and see where these magical numbers are actually derived from gnnnnn

snepp · 04-28-2013, 12:09 PM

Is there a salary cap involved?

Gixugif · 04-28-2013, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snepp

Is there a salary cap involved?

Well, this is interesting and could be a source of problems. My "Minimum Player Salary" is $432,000, and my "Player Salary Cap" is $250,000

endgame · 04-28-2013, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gixugif

Well, this is interesting and could be a source of problems. My "Minimum Player Salary" is $432,000, and my "Player Salary Cap" is $250,000

Well that certainly influences things. The Player Salary Cap is your Payroll cap, not the individual player. I know, I know, it's been discussed.

That may well be one source of your dilemma.

Cras · 04-28-2013, 02:58 PM

Man, that should be causing all sorts of problems in your league.

Gixugif · 04-28-2013, 03:06 PM

Yeah, I imagine it would explain quite a few strange things that I've noticed. Gonna put that to 0 and maybe switch a few other things and hopefully in time things'll become more normal.

I wonder how long it's been like this. Possibly for the whole 30 years this league has existed.

Cras · 04-28-2013, 03:09 PM

I am curious, what does your free agent pool look like.

If things are working like I think they should be working, essentially nobody can sign a contract that isnt a minor league deal.

Gixugif · 04-28-2013, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cras

I am curious, what does your free agent pool look like.

If things are working like I think they should be working, essentially nobody can sign a contract that isnt a minor league deal.

641 players, but almost all of them are 1 star and below.

04-25-2013, 05:10 PM	#1
Gixugif Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 23	Can't make trades for players with a more expensive contract Since the previous version of OOTP I haven't been able to make trades that result in my budget room being decreased. I have a positive amount and the trades don't put it in the negatives, but I still cannot make the trade unless it results in a gain or at least no change in my budget room. Is this some bug, setting, or is there something about financials I just don't understand here?

04-28-2013, 02:58 PM	#12
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,789	Man, that should be causing all sorts of problems in your league. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| LoL \| MLP:FIM!

04-28-2013, 03:09 PM	#14
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,789	I am curious, what does your free agent pool look like. If things are working like I think they should be working, essentially nobody can sign a contract that isnt a minor league deal. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| LoL \| MLP:FIM!

04-25-2013, 05:34 PM	#2
sc_superstar Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 407	Are you playing with full coaches and scouting? If so they along with development may be eating most of your budget. If you go into your financial page you can see your "amount available for free agents" and "amount available for extensions" Those also applies to trades as well. For this year the game will prorate the % of the season left. The game will then check to see if you can afford the player long term (if they have years remaining on their contract or are due arbitration), if both conditions are met it will allow the trade. Example being, at the halfway point of the season you wish to make a trade. You have 2 million "available for FA" and 5 million "available for extensions" The game would allow you to trade for up to 4 million in salary for this year and 5 million for any year after. Its very easy to mistake thinking you have a payroll of 60 million and a budget of 100 million that you should have 40 million left over, but thats not always the case

04-25-2013, 05:38 PM	#3
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,127	I've seen cases in the trade screen where I try to trade with a team and it says, "LA cannot complete this trade as their budget will drop from 21M available to 19M available". The 2 possible causes: 1. Bug in calculating available expenses 2. The deal will cause a future year budget to go outside of scope. So while you may have space in your budget this year, if the player you take on has a contract for next year (or is still arbitration eligible), then you may not have room in your future budget.

04-25-2013, 06:13 PM	#4
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,365	As was noted in another thread, cash isn't taken into account for budget purposes in trades, it's the pre-cash budget room that matters.

04-27-2013, 06:33 PM	#5
Gixugif Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 23	Oops, between work and computer troubles I forgot about this thread. Superstar and Habs seem to be correct though. While I have enough budget room on the trade screen I don't actually have a budget for free agency or extensions at all . Why does it not reflect that on the trade screen? It's pretty idiotic that it's giving me the wrong information / not enough information there.

04-28-2013, 09:24 AM	#7
Gixugif Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 23	Well, see for yourself. The difference between yours and my screen that I immediately notice is that on the financials you have a budget room of + 16mil or so, and on the trade screen it's a big negative. Mine is the same number on both screens:

04-28-2013, 11:46 AM	#8
kylemmie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 99	It is confusing - why the one section clearly shows budget room of 3M but you have zero FA$ avail. And that's not even counting the (apparently) untouchable 1M in cash.... As an accountant it is frustrating as hell not being able to drill down and see where these magical numbers are actually derived from gnnnnn

04-28-2013, 12:09 PM	#9
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,365	Is there a salary cap involved?

04-28-2013, 03:06 PM	#13
Gixugif Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 23	Yeah, I imagine it would explain quite a few strange things that I've noticed. Gonna put that to 0 and maybe switch a few other things and hopefully in time things'll become more normal. I wonder how long it's been like this. Possibly for the whole 30 years this league has existed.