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Old 11-12-2019, 11:46 AM   #1
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How accurate are financial figures on historical leagues?

I'm just curious where this information comes from. Payroll is sometimes publicly available but I've never seen figures on gate receipts, merchandise etc so I was wondering how these are calculated.

This isn't a complaint about accuracy, I'm just in awe at the amount of details and curious how it's handled when I'm assuming there is no way to obtain most of these historical numbers. For instance are they just based on a set percentage based on market size, or some other method?
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Old 11-12-2019, 02:11 PM   #2
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Average attendance figures reflect actual MLB numbers and are fairly accurate, except for the nineteenth century when attendance numbers are either unavailable or highly questionable.

Salary figures and ticket prices are, I think, mostly designed to work together so that franchises aren't constantly going bankrupt or aren't awash with money. I play mostly historical games, and some of the individual salaries are comically low - e.g. a coach in the 1920s getting $190 a year in salary. That's less than $10/week, at a time when non-unionized auto workers at Ford were making $5/day.

Market sizes, fan interest, and fan loyalty are entirely random.

I don't know about media contracts. I'd imagine they're like salaries and ticket prices - they are designed to work together in a system more so than being accurate representations of reality.
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Old 11-19-2019, 02:59 AM   #3
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and some of the individual salaries are comically low - e.g. a coach in the 1920s getting $190 a year in salary. That's less than $10/week, at a time when non-unionized auto workers at Ford were making $5/day.
That's for seven months work. He has an off season job at Ford!
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Old 11-19-2019, 10:40 AM   #4
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That's for seven months work. He has an off season job at Ford!
Sounds just like club owners in the nineteenth century complaining about players like King Kelly and their outrageous $2500 salaries. Of course, compared to the average laborer who was making maybe $500/year, that really was a lot of money. But I don't recall seeing anyone complain about all the money that the owners were making off the talents of Kelly and his colleagues
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Yea, but they'd pick a star player, a fan favorite, and brag about how much they were paying him. Mid/late 60s the number was $100,000 a year. Owners wanted that fan favorite star they could brag about paying $100,000.
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:38 PM   #6
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Player salaries are not accurate at all. This is because the game does not account for all the ways a team brings in money, and a team's actual revenue will come in low (particularly in more modern seasons). If OOTP players decide to reset the salaries to what they actually were, they're pretty much ensuring that a lot of teams will go bankrupt, so keep that in mind if that's the route you decide to take.
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