Weighing Batting Ratings

[RoteLaterne]

Well, there are 5 "basic" batting ratings

Contact
Gap Power
HR Power
Eye
Avoid K's

How do you find your "best fit"?
Do you simply add up those 5 numbers? +++++

Do you weigh them differently? Like 2-2-2-1-1?
Are they equally important to you?

[chazzycat]

In general I would say contact>eye>power>avoid k. Which power to prefer depends on park factors. Eye is underrated typically

[RoteLaterne]

I will go with

Contact 2x
Gap Power 1,25x
HR Power 1,25x
Eye 1,5x
Avoid K's 1x

Maybe drop both Power ratings to 0,625x each to have a combined 1,25x?!?!

Otherwise it might be too much weight?!?

[<Pion>]

If you search the PT19 forum you can find a really good formula if you want some finely tuned results, but I t will be easier to use a spreadsheet than do it in your head. Also, there is a spreadsheet by DonkeyKong where he’s done the heavy lifting already so you could drop him a PM

[RoteLaterne]

Made my own spreadsheet that could help me find a good player.

[RoteLaterne]

Found DonkeyKongSr sheet.

I know there are tons of factors to find the "best" overall fit, but I want to keep it as simple as possible.
So I just want to take basic ratings into account like

Contact 2x
Gap Power 1x
HR Power 1x
Eye 1,5x
Avoid K's 1x

I am open for discussion on different numbers here, e.g. power at 2x too much?

[Goliathus]

I think batting is a different animal than pitching. Pitching is easily solved, batting...isn't quite that easy. Personally, I don't think a "general batting formula" works as best as a "specialist batting formula"(like heavy HR and a formula that dedicated to power, heavy XBH with more score on contact and gap power). If you look around at some of the frequent posters of this sub-board, you will see a lot of specialized batting setup(all LHB, contact-and-gap, etc) having success in the highest level. These setups are likely cheaper than what you would get from a generic formula. I believe those with a good generic score are going to be ultra-expensive meta cards.

If you want a meta, general-oriented formula, I suggest you find someone(or many) in perfect league who is willing to give you the list of say, the top 50 meta batters, and then you break their stats down.

[X3NEIZE]

I would say Contact is king....

Contact > Eye > Gap > Avoid K > Power

[QuantaCondor]

Originally Posted by RoteLaterne

Found DonkeyKongSr sheet.

I know there are tons of factors to find the "best" overall fit, but I want to keep it as simple as possible.
So I just want to take basic ratings into account like

Contact 2x
Gap Power 1x
HR Power 1x
Eye 1,5x
Avoid K's 1x

I am open for discussion on different numbers here, e.g. power at 2x too much?

You can't look at power and gap in a vacuum. POW and GAP turns hits into HR/2B/3B, so a player with high CON (who gets more hits) benefits much more from having high POW/GAP than a player with low CON.

[Josquin]

Originally Posted by QuantaCondor

You can't look at power and gap in a vacuum. POW and GAP turns hits into HR/2B/3B, so a player with high CON (who gets more hits) benefits much more from having high POW/GAP than a player with low CON.

I ran some linear regressions on this.

BABIP appears to have no influence on HR -- they are strictly a function of the POW rating.

2B/3B, on the other hand, are decreased by a high POW rating, but boosted by a high BABIP.

[dkgo]

That would make sense because home runs don't count towards calculating babip

[QuantaCondor]

Originally Posted by Josquin

I ran some linear regressions on this.

BABIP appears to have no influence on HR -- they are strictly a function of the POW rating.

2B/3B, on the other hand, are decreased by a high POW rating, but boosted by a high BABIP.

I'm just citing what the OOTP manual says about batting, where it states that GAP and POW have "no direct effect on the likelihood of a player making contact", just the result of what those hits will be.

Also, from a programmer's standpoint, the approach to making this work seems kind of obvious: check CON/EYE/AvoidK for the batter outcome (batted ball/walk/strikeout), opposed by the relevant pitcher ratings, then take a random number from the hit outcomes table to see if it's a infield hit, ground ball single, line drive single, double, triple, or HR. The fraction of the table that determines each outcome is modified by GAP and POW, along with opposing defense and pitcher MOV, GB%, etc. Nobody knows the exact formula for that special sauce, but that seems like the general idea.

[Argonaut]

From what I understand, GAP and POW are a bit different. GAP turns hits into doubles and triples, yes. On the other hand, POW doesn't turn hits into homers, but plate appearances into homers.

CON = BABIP + AvK + POW (not literally adding them, just their effects on CON)

So POW isn't just upgrading hits, but adding more hits. Say you had the ultimate three-outcomes player, with zero BABIP, zero AvK, and max POW. A next-level Joey Gallo. His CON, and therefore his batting average, would be determined entirely by the amount of home runs he hits.

I guess if you compared a 80CON/40POW guy with a 80CON/80POW guy, the latter guy would seem like he's converting more hits to home runs. But under the hood it works a bit different.

[MarkGracesSlumpBuster]

Someone gave me DonkeyKong’s sheet. Very helpful!

[QuantaCondor]

Originally Posted by Argonaut

From what I understand, GAP and POW are a bit different. GAP turns hits into doubles and triples, yes. On the other hand, POW doesn't turn hits into homers, but plate appearances into homers.

CON = BABIP + AvK + POW (not literally adding them, just their effects on CON)

So POW isn't just upgrading hits, but adding more hits. Say you had the ultimate three-outcomes player, with zero BABIP, zero AvK, and max POW. A next-level Joey Gallo. His CON, and therefore his batting average, would be determined entirely by the amount of home runs he hits.

I guess if you compared a 80CON/40POW guy with a 80CON/80POW guy, the latter guy would seem like he's converting more hits to home runs. But under the hood it works a bit different.

But according to the OOTP manual, POW doesn't affect contact rate. You saying that's wrong?

[Josquin]

Originally Posted by QuantaCondor

But according to the OOTP manual, POW doesn't affect contact rate. You saying that's wrong?

Yes, I think the manual is wrong on this. After crunching the data, I agree with what he's saying.

[allenciox]

So, FYI, as you ascend to higher levels in perfect team, the reduction in home runs (by higher MOV pitchers) is greater than the reduction in non-home hits.

The way the game is designed, if a batter is going up against an "average" pitcher, then CON represents their batting average --- it is a combination of BABIP (BA on balls in play) AvoidK, and POW (home runs hit).

But since home runs drop greater than hits at higher levels, you will find that, for the same CON, the person that has the higher POW will usually have a "lower" batting average, all else being equal (e.g. park effects).

[Argonaut]

Originally Posted by allenciox

So, FYI, as you ascend to higher levels in perfect team, the reduction in home runs (by higher MOV pitchers) is greater than the reduction in non-home hits.

The way the game is designed, if a batter is going up against an "average" pitcher, then CON represents their batting average --- it is a combination of BABIP (BA on balls in play) AvoidK, and POW (home runs hit).

But since home runs drop greater than hits at higher levels, you will find that, for the same CON, the person that has the higher POW will usually have a "lower" batting average, all else being equal (e.g. park effects).

Thanks for this, it makes sense. Also, from what you and others have said -- it seems that Avoid K also has a more pronounced effect on batting average at high levels than against a "normal" pitcher... due to the prevalence of high Stuff at the Perfect level.

So guys with equal Contact ratings will actually produce batting averages in this order -> AvK, BABIP, POW.

Then again, a home run is still more valuable than a regular hit... so it's not just batting average that matters. Lots to think about!

[QuantaCondor]

I have heard the bit about HR being additive to AVG elsewhere on the forums, and it seems weird to be in contrast to the manual. But I definitely am inclined to trust data and I have seen the analyses done before, so if others have done their own analysis and trust them then there's no choice but to conclude that POW is in fact separate.

[Mizzery]

Originally Posted by Argonaut

Thanks for this, it makes sense. Also, from what you and others have said -- it seems that Avoid K also has a more pronounced effect on batting average at high levels than against a "normal" pitcher... due to the prevalence of high Stuff at the Perfect level.

So guys with equal Contact ratings will actually produce batting averages in this order -> AvK, BABIP, POW.

Then again, a home run is still more valuable than a regular hit... so it's not just batting average that matters. Lots to think about!

I ignore AvK in my evaluation, since it appears to only impact how an out is made, not whether or not an out is made. If someone has data to the contrary, please share.

Since most high POW hitters have high K rates, it would seem counterintuitive to try and maximize both POW and AvK, especially because POW is a critical component of SLG and consequently OPS.