The Ryan Borucki Mystery

Splitter24 · 07-30-2019, 06:31 AM

On my FTP Pack Only team, I have a tendency to hoard guys who are close to breaking into the next tier of pricing to try and see if I can earn a little more PP. Lots of multiples of Irons who are rated 57-59. If they break above 60, I sell them off unless it seems they are some hot prospect or something. So when I logged in last night, I saw that Ryan Borucki had moved up to Bronze. I wasn't familiar with him, so I went and looked at his stats and was totally flummoxed. He jumped 8 points this week from a 57 to a 65. I had 4 extra Boruckis, so was happy to quick sell them. Here's his season stat line:

2 starts, 6.2 IP, 15 Hits, 6 BB, 6 K, 2 HRA

Both of those starts would've been caught in the most recent update. This guy was decent last year. If his starting rating was based on a ZIPS projection, how did that weekly performance cause him to be one of the biggest positive movers in PT? Even if he was a 40, there's no way those results should've moved him up that far.

Bunktown Ballers · 07-30-2019, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Splitter24

On my FTP Pack Only team, I have a tendency to hoard guys who are close to breaking into the next tier of pricing to try and see if I can earn a little more PP. Lots of multiples of Irons who are rated 57-59. If they break above 60, I sell them off unless it seems they are some hot prospect or something. So when I logged in last night, I saw that Ryan Borucki had moved up to Bronze. I wasn't familiar with him, so I went and looked at his stats and was totally flummoxed. He jumped 8 points this week from a 57 to a 65. I had 4 extra Boruckis, so was happy to quick sell them. Here's his season stat line:

2 starts, 6.2 IP, 15 Hits, 6 BB, 6 K, 2 HRA

Both of those starts would've been caught in the most recent update. This guy was decent last year. If his starting rating was based on a ZIPS projection, how did that weekly performance cause him to be one of the biggest positive movers in PT? Even if he was a 40, there's no way those results should've moved him up that far.

Hey I'm still dumbfounded on how Jose Inglesis is rated above Jose Abreu, Yoan Moncada & Tim Anderson as is James McCann rated above them also...lol ratings dont matter

DawnBTVS · 07-30-2019, 08:10 AM

I feel like ZIPS tends to get too heavily aimed at in regards to the ratings especially at the start of the season. I think some guys start off rated so low that even if they get the legitimate boost they deserve based on in-season performance, they only climb from say an 63 to an 78 tops despite a Cy Young or MVP Caliber year.

Also not that big a fan of over weighing FIP (even if, in theory it should balance outlier seasons) as it seems to hurt a pitcher who doesn't have much control over how good the defense is behind him. In real life: Mike Minor has a 169 ERA+ and 3.00 ERA but a bad 4.20 FIP whereas Marcus Stroman has a 153 ERA+ and 2.96 ERA but a much better 3.53 FIP (prior to the trade to the Mets). Yet if you looked at WAR, Minor is worth a full 2.7 runs more at 5.9 against Stroman's 3.2 but Stroman would probably be better rated by ZIPS.

BigRed75 · 07-30-2019, 08:33 AM

The Borucki Mystery sounds like a Robert Ludlum novel...

Splitter24 · 07-30-2019, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

Hey I'm still dumbfounded on how Jose Inglesis is rated above Jose Abreu, Yoan Moncada & Tim Anderson as is James McCann rated above them also...lol ratings dont matter

I'm not making a point as to which player should be rated in regards to others. And ratings do matter, contrary to your repeated posts.

I'm just wondering how this one specific player took a substantial (for PT) leap forward after a week where he got lit up like a Christmas tree.

Charlatan · 07-30-2019, 10:04 AM

The projection said he'd really suck, and he only moderately sucked, so he must have improved.

That's all I got.

Orcin · 07-30-2019, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunktown Ballers

lol ratings dont matter

Ratings DO matter. Names don't matter.

Dogberry99 · 07-30-2019, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DawnBTVS

I feel like ZIPS tends to get too heavily aimed at in regards to the ratings especially at the start of the season. I think some guys start off rated so low that even if they get the legitimate boost they deserve based on in-season performance, they only climb from say an 63 to an 78 tops despite a Cy Young or MVP Caliber year.

For whatever it might be worth, Lance Lynn has increased from an initial 64 to reach 87. It is probably likely that the nature of their in season performance can affect how significant a boost they get. Not all Cy Young and MVP candidates perform in the precise ways this game rewards, and this game rewards some players for performing in ways that do not merit Cy Young or MVP candidacies.

webdox · 07-31-2019, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRed75

The Borucki Mystery sounds like a Robert Ludlum novel...

LOL good one! Now I just woke up, saw it, misread the title, and thought the thread was going to be about a bunch of dude standing in a circle...

jeffw3000 · 07-31-2019, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRed75

The Borucki Mystery sounds like a Robert Lulum novel...

Perhaps Ryan Borucki's real name is David Webb, and there is a hidden reason why someone at OOTPD wants him to be much more than just an Iron.

CrazyWR · 07-31-2019, 11:11 AM

Not David Webb, it is John Michael Kane, c'mon

07-30-2019, 06:31 AM	#1
Splitter24 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Willsboro, NY Posts: 2,897	The Ryan Borucki Mystery On my FTP Pack Only team, I have a tendency to hoard guys who are close to breaking into the next tier of pricing to try and see if I can earn a little more PP. Lots of multiples of Irons who are rated 57-59. If they break above 60, I sell them off unless it seems they are some hot prospect or something. So when I logged in last night, I saw that Ryan Borucki had moved up to Bronze. I wasn't familiar with him, so I went and looked at his stats and was totally flummoxed. He jumped 8 points this week from a 57 to a 65. I had 4 extra Boruckis, so was happy to quick sell them. Here's his season stat line: 2 starts, 6.2 IP, 15 Hits, 6 BB, 6 K, 2 HRA Both of those starts would've been caught in the most recent update. This guy was decent last year. If his starting rating was based on a ZIPS projection, how did that weekly performance cause him to be one of the biggest positive movers in PT? Even if he was a 40, there's no way those results should've moved him up that far. __________________ Currently Reading: The Sympathizer by Viet Thanh Nguyen "Well, the game is afoot. I’ll take anal bum cover for 7,000." - "Sean Connery" SNL Celebrity Jeopardy R.I.P. Tommy Holmes 1917-2008

07-30-2019, 08:10 AM	#3
DawnBTVS Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 416	I feel like ZIPS tends to get too heavily aimed at in regards to the ratings especially at the start of the season. I think some guys start off rated so low that even if they get the legitimate boost they deserve based on in-season performance, they only climb from say an 63 to an 78 tops despite a Cy Young or MVP Caliber year. Also not that big a fan of over weighing FIP (even if, in theory it should balance outlier seasons) as it seems to hurt a pitcher who doesn't have much control over how good the defense is behind him. In real life: Mike Minor has a 169 ERA+ and 3.00 ERA but a bad 4.20 FIP whereas Marcus Stroman has a 153 ERA+ and 2.96 ERA but a much better 3.53 FIP (prior to the trade to the Mets). Yet if you looked at WAR, Minor is worth a full 2.7 runs more at 5.9 against Stroman's 3.2 but Stroman would probably be better rated by ZIPS. __________________ Last edited by DawnBTVS; 07-30-2019 at 08:14 AM.

07-30-2019, 08:33 AM	#4
BigRed75 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,430	The Borucki Mystery sounds like a Robert Ludlum novel... __________________ Mainline team SPTT team Was not a Snag fan...until I saw the fallout once he was gone and realized what a good job he was actually doing. - Ty Cobb

07-30-2019, 10:04 AM	#6
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,491	The projection said he'd really suck, and he only moderately sucked, so he must have improved. That's all I got.

07-31-2019, 11:11 AM	#11
CrazyWR All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 549	Not David Webb, it is John Michael Kane, c'mon