Stats Question - OPS

RoteLaterne · 08-09-2019, 02:30 PM

Does a stolen base increase your OPS?

Well I know its OBP+SLG.

Slugging is calculated (among other factors) with TB.
So a SB gives you one more total base, right?

So basically, after being on base, a player can improve his OPS by stealing?

My guess - YES! Am I right?

BirdWatcher · 08-09-2019, 03:10 PM

My understanding is that OPS is pretty simply OBP (on-base percentage) plus SLG (slugging average.) And both of these only factor what a player did during a plate appearance, not what they do once they get on base.

So I believe the answer to your question is no, stolen bases play no factor in OPS.

Andy · 08-09-2019, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BirdWatcher

My understanding is that OPS is pretty simply OBP (on-base percentage) plus SLG (slugging average.) And both of these only factor what a player did during a plate appearance, not what they do once they get on base.

So I believe the answer to your question is no, stolen bases play no factor in OPS.

Right. And stolen bases are not factored into total bases. So, a single plus a steal is still 1 total base, but a double would count as 2. You get the idea.

Edit: Upon further review, I think you said it better than I did.

ThePretender · 08-09-2019, 03:16 PM

No, they don't. OPS doesn't track what happens after your at bat is over.

jeffw3000 · 08-09-2019, 04:25 PM

slugging only includes hits. The formula is (1B * 1) + (2B * 2) + (3B * 3) + (HR * 4) / AB.

OBP Formula is H + BB + HBP / AB + BB + HBP + SF.

Add the 2 together and you have their OPS.

RoteLaterne · 08-09-2019, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffw3000

slugging only includes hits. The formula is (1B * 1) + (2B * 2) + (3B * 3) + (HR * 4) / AB.

OBP Formula is H + BB + HBP / AB + BB + HBP + SF.

Add the 2 together and you have their OPS.

Saw another formula that feat. TB.

BirdWatcher · 08-09-2019, 05:11 PM

Well, yes, SLG boiled down is Total Bases divided by At-Bats.

But again, remember that total bases in this context is only about how many bases a hit garnered, not about what a runner does once on the base paths.

I can certainly understand your confusion here and it is not that what a player does on the base paths isn't important. It just isn't measured in OPS.
There are other statistical measures for such things.

NoOne · 08-13-2019, 03:30 PM

(1B * 1) + (2B * 2) + (3B * 3) + (HR * 4) = TB

1b=1
2b=2
3b=3
hr=4 total bases

it's caveman math and it double dips on hits when you add obp to slugging... use this stat like you use Overall... superficially only. it's so poorly weighted it's mind-bogglingly stupid to use in a professional sport worth billions... should be an embarassment. i don't like war much, but at least it tries. ops doesn't even try... some half-monkey said let's add these together du-huh, yup!

NotMuchTime · 08-13-2019, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoOne

(1B * 1) + (2B * 2) + (3B * 3) + (HR * 4) = TB

1b=1
2b=2
3b=3
hr=4 total bases

it's caveman math and it double dips on hits when you add obp to slugging... use this stat like you use Overall... superficially only. it's so poorly weighted it's mind-bogglingly stupid to use in a professional sport worth billions... should be an embarassment. i don't like war much, but at least it tries. ops doesn't even try... some half-monkey said let's add these together du-huh, yup!

+1000

There is a huge difference between a .300/.550 and a .400/.450 hitter. What I really can't stand is a graphic that shows OBP and OPS, but not SLG. That's just brilliant.

NoOne · 08-19-2019, 10:17 AM

.400/.450 is a good leadoff and that's about it... almost solely singles. i'd love to see the comparison in the "4-slot" with someone with more power, but lower BA. the break-even point would surprise many people, i think. it wouldn't take a hoall of famer to surpass R+RBI of the .400-hitter that only hits 90% singles.

like you said. even if you made the example exactly the same slugging and only changed the BA, that's enough to make it look silly and unuseful.

08-09-2019, 02:30 PM	#1
RoteLaterne Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 387	Stats Question - OPS Does a stolen base increase your OPS? Well I know its OBP+SLG. Slugging is calculated (among other factors) with TB. So a SB gives you one more total base, right? So basically, after being on base, a player can improve his OPS by stealing? My guess - YES! Am I right?

08-13-2019, 03:30 PM	#8
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	(1B * 1) + (2B * 2) + (3B * 3) + (HR * 4) = TB 1b=1 2b=2 3b=3 hr=4 total bases it's caveman math and it double dips on hits when you add obp to slugging... use this stat like you use Overall... superficially only. it's so poorly weighted it's mind-bogglingly stupid to use in a professional sport worth billions... should be an embarassment. i don't like war much, but at least it tries. ops doesn't even try... some half-monkey said let's add these together du-huh, yup! Last edited by NoOne; 08-13-2019 at 03:32 PM.

08-09-2019, 03:10 PM	#2
BirdWatcher Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 4,262	My understanding is that OPS is pretty simply OBP (on-base percentage) plus SLG (slugging average.) And both of these only factor what a player did during a plate appearance, not what they do once they get on base. So I believe the answer to your question is no, stolen bases play no factor in OPS.

08-09-2019, 03:16 PM	#4
ThePretender All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,303	No, they don't. OPS doesn't track what happens after your at bat is over.

08-09-2019, 04:25 PM	#5
jeffw3000 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 296	slugging only includes hits. The formula is (1B * 1) + (2B * 2) + (3B * 3) + (HR * 4) / AB. OBP Formula is H + BB + HBP / AB + BB + HBP + SF. Add the 2 together and you have their OPS.

08-09-2019, 05:11 PM	#7
BirdWatcher Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 4,262	Well, yes, SLG boiled down is Total Bases divided by At-Bats. But again, remember that total bases in this context is only about how many bases a hit garnered, not about what a runner does once on the base paths. I can certainly understand your confusion here and it is not that what a player does on the base paths isn't important. It just isn't measured in OPS. There are other statistical measures for such things.

08-19-2019, 10:17 AM	#10
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	.400/.450 is a good leadoff and that's about it... almost solely singles. i'd love to see the comparison in the "4-slot" with someone with more power, but lower BA. the break-even point would surprise many people, i think. it wouldn't take a hoall of famer to surpass R+RBI of the .400-hitter that only hits 90% singles. like you said. even if you made the example exactly the same slugging and only changed the BA, that's enough to make it look silly and unuseful.