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04-12-2018, 11:21 PM | #41 |
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In my league Harper never made it to free agency. 7 years for 276,400,000. About 40k per year. Wow.
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I find this happens pretty frequently in my fictional league. Part of it too is the superstar's initial contract demand and willingness to decrease it. I've seen very often where they demand unrealistic money at first, and find themselves on the shelf while teams spend their money on other guys, then they have to sign for much less than "market value" later on.
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the AI in the game improves very very slowly and is still pretty horrible at free agency. in leagues where relievers are secondary (no one but top two guys really matter) teams will every year spend big on stockpiling 5-6 relievers for no reason while 2nd starters go for similar cost. the superstar issue is another obvious one and lots of times once a player hits free agency he just starts bouncing around 1 year here, 2 years here, even if he's a very good player. the AI free agency and team building is just something that they don't spend much time on and isn't a priority, I hope it becomes one soon though because it kills immersion in real games and is frustrating in fictional to have to come up with mental reasonings for why teams do stuff like this and so often sign and release players within a few months (or even same day)
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Before I respond to the rest of your post, bear in mind I can safely say I have probably done more research on the financial side of the sport than just about anyone else here. I've got plenty of data in various files.
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Who was underpaid? Under what definition? Relative to what? Revenue growth took the first jump forward after WWII, with the sharp rise in the popularity of the sport, along with the first wave of media (primarily broadcast television) contracts. Revenues grew afterward, but slowly. It wasn't until the late 1970s that revenue started to exhibit an almost exponential growth, driven by the rise in cable TV and the sharp increase in national broadcasting contracts. It's been growing almost exponentially ever since, with the exception of the 1994-95 strike which caused a drop, but revenue rapidly recovered. Quote:
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That is demonstrably and objectively false. The average salary for a major league player in five-year increments, as calculated by the MLBPA itself: 1992: $1,028,667 1997: $1,336,609 (+29.9%) 2002: $2,295,649 (+71.8%) 2007: $2,824,751 (+23.0%) 2012: $3,213,479 (+13.8%) 2017: $4,097,122 (+27.5%) If 27.5% growth over the last five years is "stagnated", then you have an odd definition of the word. Quote:
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Underpaid relative to what? Using what metric? It would be an interesting exercise if you would show your math here. ETA: As if on cue, Forbes two days ago published the 2018 edition of its annual MLB club valuations report. It can be read here. I'll be digging through it myself later and adding its results. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 04-13-2018 at 10:50 PM. |
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I posted this in the impressions thread, but I'm really happy with all the AI improvements this year. I'm more immersed into my MLB league than any previous OOTP version. Trades make much more sense to me and I see rebuilding teams letting veterans go for prospects. SP Collin McHugh wins the WS with Houston in 2018, in 2019 his contract year, Houston trades him at the deadline to the Dodgers for a starting catcher and a good prospect. (Houston has a ton of pitching) The Dodgers win the WS (McHugh now has two rings) and then they can't sign McHugh and Houston signs him to a 5YR/85M deal. That was pretty cool to see. Houston has jumped to the top of the league in payroll and snapped up a ton of RP in the offseason. |
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Yes I agree, it still needs improvement. I just posted in the beta forum how a few good MR pitchers are still unsigned and asking for a cheap 1YR contract.
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I just re-ran a league, and Harper signed with Padres on a 5-year deal, opt-out after year 2, but in the first two years he made $15 and $17 million. Mind you, this is a couple weeks into free agency where he was still demanding $41 million per year. No reason for him to sign that early and for that little. It's very bizarre.
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LegalEagle - you keep doing the same thing. Harper signed a five year deal for WHAT????? He made $15M yr1, & 17M in yr2 before his options kicked in? It's appropriate $$$ for a traditionally small market team, and who knows, maybe Harper is fascinated with surfing/surfboarding?? While it is rare, it is not unheard of giving a "hometown discount" or knowing that the opt-out gives the player a mulligan to sign elsewhere for Daddy Warbucks money!!! I too have a financial background and know GAAP. GAAP by itself doesn't influence money ###'s, its the handbook of how to do it honestly! I can overlook the $$ issues and play OOTP19 for the most part, because reality is what I'm escaping from when playing, not dragging reality kicking and screaming into my gaming world!!! <grin>
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04-30-2018, 04:30 PM | #52 |
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Yeah, it's true. I like to watch a fictional-yet-realistic universe unfold so it just sticks out like a sore thumb to me. At this point I'm actually most fascinated in figuring out why the AI does what it does. I think a lot of contracts are pretty realistic (in that same offseason, Kershaw got $36 million per year, the Braves filled a big need at 3B by signing Josh Donaldson to a pretty fair contract), but I'm now obsessed with fake Bryce Harper's constant desires to sign bad contracts.
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I've seen Harper sign a cheap, short deal in one of my leagues too. He signed a 3-year deal w/ San Francisco w/ an average salary of $19m...
Just a shot in the dark, but I wonder if Qualifying Offers play a part in this. 1. The QO system doesn't seem to reflect real life. IRL: A. The amount is the mean salary of MLB's 125 highest-paid players, yet, in the game, the dollar amount of a QO is always $15m. I don't recall ever seeing it change to reflect the mean.2. Considering the QO amount is always a static $15m, it's just too easy for clubs to get compensation for impending FA's, which leaves me speculating if players aren't being signed quicker because a comp is attached to too many of them and teams aren't willing to give up draft picks for them, even for 1 year deals: A. High quality RP's like Britton, Chapman, Kimbrel, etc. will always have a comp attached because their demands usually exceed the $15m QO. If he's still pretty young, he'll reject it even if his demand is less (i.e. Mark Melancon's 33 w/ a $12m demand and he rejected a QO)If all of this is factored into the in-game free agency process, then it's no wonder why there are so many weird FA contracts... Last edited by bigd51; 04-30-2018 at 09:06 PM. |
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I guess trying to guess core inflation, is a bit too crystal ball! Makes sense. |
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- Harper signed a 1-year, $21m deal w/ the Rockies on March 1st - Britton signed a 1-year, $27m deal w/ the Angles on May 15th Under the CBA, because the players signed for less than $50m, both teams should've received Comp. Balance Round B (2nd Round Supplemental) picks... Instead... Baltimore and Washington each received Round A (1st Supplemental) picks. Come draft time, this is what happened: 1. In the first attachment, there is somehow a gap in the 1st round between #19 and #25? 2. In the second attachment, I'm the Braves w/ the 1st overall pick, and because of the screw-up with the CBA detailed above, Washington got a 1st Supplemental for Harper signing a 1-year, $21m contract w/ Colorado when they should've gotten a 2nd Supplemental.. meaning the Nationals got their choice of THREE picks before I even got to make my 2nd round pick when they should've only had 2 (their original 16th pick + the Supplemental 1st for Murphy). Couple this w/ the fact you're allowed to offer multiple QO's to the same players (when the real life CBA says a player can only be offered one QO their entire career)... then you can only imagine how this would affect the lesser teams like Oakland, who aren't blessed w/ owner changes w/ a bigger budget. I'm considering turning comps off completely now until this is addressed... Last edited by bigd51; 05-01-2018 at 10:10 PM. |
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Well, they mentioned that they were not able to get all of this year's new rules changes into OOTP 19.
It could be a patch later in the summer or something that is implemented in 20. |
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