Louisville Boxing Association - Page 55

mh2365 · 02-05-2006, 09:11 AM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 13, 1910

FW - Cal McCarthy (4/3) (16-3) KO5 Billy Snailham (5/5) (15-4) 40-36 at the stoppage (both fighters at pre, IBF eliminator fight ... semifinals set, see next post)

BW - Harry Forbes (12/11) (17-16-6) TKO8 Ned Morris (33/34) (5-9-2) (Morris at pre)

BW - Dave Sullivan (8/7) (15-2-1) KO6 Kid Murphy (4/4) (16-4-2) 48-47 sullivan at stoppage (sullivan at pre, Murphy stepped up to BW for this loss)

HW - Sam McVey (53/48) (24-7) UD10 George Perry (54/58) (8-6-4) (mcvey doesn't deserve this low of a ranking but he did lose to two not so great fighters in a row right before the ratings change ... he'll have to work his way back up)

LH - Jack Hogan (UR) (9-0) MD8 Tom Parks (UR) (5-7-1) 78-74 Hogan (both at pre for this club fight)

MW - Frank Bosworth (UR) (10-2-1) UD8 Billy Manning (7-5) (both at pre for this club fight, bosworth moves to the main division with the win)

Brooks TVB · 02-05-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

HW - Sam McVey (53/48) (24-7) UD10 George Perry (54/58) (8-6-4) (mcvey doesn't deserve this low of a ranking but he did lose to two not so great fighters in a row right before the ratings change ... he'll have to work his way back up)

I like McVey. His ranking is disappointing but like you said losing to 2 poor fighters will do that. I hope he does well. This is good as always keep it up MH.

mh2365 · 02-05-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooks TVB

I like McVey. His ranking is disappointing but like you said losing to 2 poor fighters will do that. I hope he does well. This is good as always keep it up MH.

He'll need to beat some higher ranked fighters and not get knocked down by stiffs, like he did in the fight against Perry above.

mh2365 · 02-06-2006, 04:18 AM

Re-ranked after first round

1. Jem Driscoll (35-6-1) vs. #4 Oscar Gardner (16-4-1) (first meeting, fight will be next month)
2. Johnny Kilbane (17-1-1) vs. #3 Cal McCarthy (16-3) (first meeting, fight will be in June)

mh2365 · 02-06-2006, 11:04 AM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 16, 1910

WBA Bantamweight Champ Al Delmont (CH) (20-8-2) scored a KO15 over Billy Plimmer (3/4) (22-13-6) for his first defense of the title he took from George Dixon last month.

Delmont dominated this fight from the opening bell winning every round except one and putting Plimmer to mat several times.

Plimmer's left eye started to swell in the 6th. He suffered a cut over his right eye in the 7th. He went down for the first time in the 9th. Down again in the 10th, twice in the 12th, once in the 14th and then for good in the 15th.

I had Delmont leading 139-123 at the stoppage. Markus Heinsohn, ringside expert, had it 139-124.

On the undercard

HW - George Gardner (63/52) (19-11-3) DRAW10 George Godfrey (14/14) (23-14-3)

MW - Dan Creedon (7/4) (25-12-1) TKO9 Charles Goff (37/39) (13-10-2)

LW - Dave Wallace (26/20) (10-6) UD10 Jabez White (UR) (9-3-1) (both at pre)

LW - Jig Stone (UR) (9-0) UD8 Joe Gregg (UR) (7-1-1) 80-75 (both at pre for this club fight)

HW - Ned Kelly (ur/27) (7-7-1) UD8 John McDermont (club) (10-24-2) (kelly at pre, Mcdermont at end .... kelly moves up to main after this club fight)

mh2365 · 02-06-2006, 12:55 PM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 18, 1910

HW - Mike Schreck (61/56) (21-16) UD10 Nick Burley (68/75) (16-11) 95-93

HW - Tommy Dugan (54/44) (13-6) TKO7 Dutch Zimmer (UR) (10-2) (zimmer at pre)

WW - Dixie Kid (13/11) (19-15-5) UD10 Jimmy Clabby (23/27) (8-7-6) 98-96

FW - Tommy White (30/25) (11-7-3) UD10 Sammy Kelly (24/26) (11-9-1)

LW - Frank Bartley (UR) (7-4) UD8 Billy Whistler (club) (10-15-5) (bartley at pre, whistler at post ... whistler stepped up to LW in this weight adjusted club fight)

HW - Walter Altieri (UR) (9-0) KO5 Victor McLaglen (UR) (7-4) 39-37 mclaglen at stoppage (both at pre for this club fight)

mh2365 · 02-06-2006, 07:06 PM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 20, 1910

HW - Jack Root (33/15) (33-9-2) MD 10 Joe Coburn (7/16) (22-12-4) 95-94 root (big win for Root, puts him in the mix in the HW division)

LW - Horace Leeds (UR) (11-2) KO3 Charlie Griffin (UR/30) (10-5) 19-19 (both at pre)

FW - Jerry Marshall (13/10) (10-7-2) UD10 Tim Hegarty (44/50) (hegarty at pre)

LH - Patsy Cardiff (5/5) (13-12-1) DRAW10 John Flood (18/17) (9-10-2)

LW - Paddy Smith (UR) (7-5-2) DRAW8 Kid Trembles (UR) (6-1-2) (both at pre for this club fight)

HW - Joe Grim (club) (12-26-1) TKO7 PJ Rentzler (club) (13-20-4) (grim at end, rentzler at post ... rentzler moved up to HW for this club fight .... rentzler moved to end after the fight)

rentzler marks my first non beginner to change stages automatically ... this was his 5th post-prime fight. When I calculated the next aging for my guys I had the post prime low end at 5, I've since changed it to 10, but there will be some effects of that.

Lee · 02-06-2006, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mh2365

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 20, 1910

HW - Jack Root (33/15) (33-9-2) MD 10 Joe Coburn (7/16) (22-12-4) 95-94 root (big win for Root, puts him in the mix in the HW division)

LW - Horace Leeds (UR) (11-2) KO3 Charlie Griffin (UR/30) (10-5) 19-19 (both at pre)

FW - Jerry Marshall (13/10) (10-7-2) UD10 Tim Hegarty (44/50) (hegarty at pre)

LH - Patsy Cardiff (5/5) (13-12-1) DRAW10 John Flood (18/17) (9-10-2)

LW - Paddy Smith (UR) (7-5-2) DRAW8 Kid Trembles (UR) (6-1-2) (both at pre for this club fight)

HW - Joe Grim (club) (12-26-1) TKO7 PJ Rentzler (club) (13-20-4) (grim at end, rentzler at post ... rentzler moved up to HW for this club fight .... rentzler moved to end after the fight)

rentzler marks my first non beginner to change stages automatically ... this was his 5th post-prime fight. When I calculated the next aging for my guys I had the post prime low end at 5, I've since changed it to 10, but there will be some effects of that.

Look at big Joe with 12 wins, I think your universe may hold the distinction for the most success by MR. Grim.

mh2365 · 02-07-2006, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee

Look at big Joe with 12 wins, I think your universe may hold the distinction for the most success by MR. Grim.

Yeah he's done surprisingly well ... but Herbert A. Slade maybe the only non 1 rated fighter he has beaten. He holds two wins over Rentzler and two over TC's. One surprise is that he has only been knocked down 32 times in 38 fights.

mh2365 · 02-07-2006, 10:02 AM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 22, 1910

WW - Billy Myer (29/27) (25-8-4) KO9 Al Neill (26/28) (7-11-2) 75-75 (on a night of upsets, almost had another here ... Myer was down in the fight before stopping Neill .... Myer begins his crawl back toward the top, 3 straight losses right before the conversion hurt him)

BW - Nunc Wallace (27/23) (11-5-1) KO1 Watty Austin (20/24) (12-13-3) 0-0 (wallace at pre ... jumped all over Austin from the opening bell)

HW - Bill Doherty (39/14) (13-13-1) UD10 Tommy Burns (3/15) (20-8-2) (huge upset for doherty ... see the big upset thread)

MW - George Rooke (23/20) (18-16-1) KO7 Jack Fitzgerald (38/40) (7-9-1) (fitz at pre)

FW - Patsy Kline (UR) (7-3-1) UD8 Joe Reilly (UR/27) (6-6-3) (both at pre ... reilly moves to the main division after this club fight)

LH - Jack Graham (club) (8-12-1) KO6 Chris Pearson (club) (6-18-2) (pearson at post for this club fight)

mh2365 · 02-07-2006, 10:30 AM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 24, 1910

BW - Terry McGovern (20/17) (31-7-4) TKO4 Young Johnson (21/22) (7-8-1) 30-27 (johnson at pre)

HW - Punch Vaughn (62/60) (12-5) TKO8 Jim Flynn (69/76) (17-11) (vaughn at pre)

LW - Dave Holly (13/13) (16-6-7) UD10 Eddie Connolly (47/48) (9-11-2) 98-93

HW - Tom Lees (70/52) (21-16) UD10 Ed Dunkhorst (27/55) (21-16-3) (upset rankings wise but not ratings wise, lees was favored)

FW - Al Wright (UR/24) (8-5-2) SD8 Billy Elliot (UR) (5-4) (both at pre for this club fight, wright moves to main)

MW - Tommy Chandler (club) (16-22-2) UD10 Dick Burge (club) (16-21-2) (both at post, burge stepped up to MW for this club fight)

javier_83 · 02-07-2006, 03:04 PM

Is there a Undefeated figther who have more than 10 fights?

mh2365 · 02-07-2006, 04:06 PM

Not many right now looks like 3 total

HW - Joe Jeannette 21-0
LH - Jack Dillon 15-0
FLY - Joe Gates 11-0

Oops missed the guys with 0 losses and a draw

MW - Al Rogers 11-0-1
HW - Frank Moran 11-0-1
BW - Harry Harris 11-0-1
MW - Johnny Reagan 10-0-1
WW - George Green 10-0-1
LW - Lockport Jimmy Duffy 10-0-1
BW - George Church 10-0-1

Several up and coming club fighters are still undefeated

mh2365 · 02-07-2006, 07:23 PM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 26, 1910

Jack Johnson (CH) (37-2) won his first defense of the IBF HW title with a MD15 over Dominick McCaffrey (4/4) (28-10-3).

Fairly dull fight with Johnson dominating the early rounds, McCaffrey stealing a couple in the middle and then Johnson holding off a late rally. No cuts, knockdowns or swelling in the fight.

I had the fight 144-141 Johnson. The official judges had it 144-142/143-143/145-140. Our ringside expert, Lee Macrae, spent a little too much time at the open bar tonight and ruled in favor of McCaffrey 146-139!!!!!

On the undercard

LH - Larry Temple (18/17) (16-3-2) KO8 Gunner Moir (22/25) (9-13-1)

LW - Young Erne (40/30) (13-6) UD10 Jimmy Carroll (26/34) (17-14-5) 97-94 (Erne at pre, nice win for erne)

LW - Patsy Sweeney (21/18) (13-11-2) TKO10 Arthur Douglas (38/42) (11-6) (douglas at pre)

FW - Jimmy Anthony (UR) (7-5-1) TKO5 George Phalin (UR/34) (8-7) (both at pre, Anthony stepped up to FW for this club fight, Phalin moved to main)

LW - George Monroe (UR) (9-11) UD8 Mike Cushing (UR) (11-23-5) (monroe at pre, cushing at post for this club fight, Monroe still trying to even his record to get to the main division, on his 15th he was 5-10 so he had to stay in club)

mh2365 · 02-07-2006, 07:45 PM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 28, 1910

LH - Georges Carpentier (UR) (12-1) UD10 John Miller (UR/11) (8-5-2) 99-89 (both at pre .... this is how sad the LH division is right now, Miller has 147 pp and is ranked 11th!)

FW - Billy Finucane (38/30) (11-11-3) UD10 Percy Cove (UR/37) (11-3-1) 96-93 (cove at pre)

BW - Frankie Neil (16/12) (20-18-3) UD10 Hugh McGovern (29/29) (7-6-5) 98-94

MW - Walter Coffey (UR) (10-4) UD10 Ed Denfass (34/35) (11-6) (coffey at pre)

Romdawg88 · 02-07-2006, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mh2365

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 28, 1910

LH - Georges Carpentier (UR) (12-1) UD10 John Miller (UR/11) (8-5-2) 99-89 (both at pre .... this is how sad the LH division is right now, Miller has 147 pp and is ranked 11th!)

Ouch that is pretty bad but hey at least you got Dillion, Carpentier, and McAllister coming up to maybe spice things up abit.

Yeah I've seen ringside experts have some funky ass scores.

mh2365 · 02-08-2006, 04:34 AM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

April 30, 1910

Johnny Coulon (3/CH) (22-3-2) dominated the late rounds for a UD15 win over Charles Goldman (2/3) (14-2-1) (goldman at pre) to regain the WBC BW title.

The early rounds were close, with not much going on. Goldman's right eye started to swell in the 5th. In the 7th, Coulon was cut under the left eye and it seemed to wake him up. He didn't lose another round until the 15th.

I had it 147-141. My alter ego, ringside, had it 147-140. The official judges had it 146-141/147-140/145-141.

On the undercard

HW - Dick O'Brien (78/76) (11-7-1) MD10 Steve Reynolds (84/84) (8-11-2)

FW - Abe Willis (63/62) (11-6-2) UD10 Eugene Hornbacher (56/59) (10-7-1) 96-94 (both at pre, one of the only times I've seen the winner still ranked below the loser... willis does have 17 more pp but is still ranked behind)

FW - Lew Ryall (53/39) (12-6) MD10 Jimmy Hill (UR) (10-3-1) (both at pre)

LH - Charles Haghey (25/15) (12-4) MD10 Pat McCourt (7/18) (8-6-2) (both at pre)

FW - Ole Oleson (club) (11-12-3) TKO5 Jack Roberts (club) (7-13) (club fight)

mh2365 · 02-08-2006, 04:49 AM

Another month down ... 4 title fights that month and all 4 favorites won with no champ losing their title. Some movement and several debut rankings.

Movement (all club to main unless noted)

HW - Frank Herald (10-4), Terry Kellar (9-5-1), Jim Savage (10-1), Arthur Shock (10-2-1), Ned Kelly (7-7-1)

MW - Frank Bosworth (10-2-1)

LW - Jack Dougherty (7-5-3), Gus Brown (10-2-1)

FW - Tommy Burns (10-4-1), Joe Reilly (6-6-3), Al Wright (8-5-2), George Phalin (8-7)

BW - Jimmy Dunn (8-4-3)

Debut Rankings

HW - Terry Kellar (9-5-1) (26)
HW - Jack Lester (13-1-1) (30)
HW - Ned Kelly (7-7-1) (28)
LH - Jack Dillon (15-0) (7)
LH - Alex Greggains (11-3-1) (6)
LH - John Miller (8-5-2) (10)
LW - Sammy Smith (10-5) (28)
LW - Jack Dougherty (7-5-3) (25)
FW - Tommy Burns (10-4-1) (15)
FW - Charlie Griffin (10-5) (27)
FW - Joe Reilly (6-6-3) (28)
FW - Al Wright (8-5-2) (24)
FW - George Phalin (8-7) (35)
FW - Percy Cove (11-3-1) (37)
BW - Paddy Kelly (11-3-1) (18)
BW - Jimmy Dunn (8-4-3) (19)

monthly fights attached

mh2365 · 02-08-2006, 05:02 AM

Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter

Heavyweight

WBA/WBC - Joe Jeannette 21-0 (810)
IBF - Jack Johnson 37-2 (875)
1. Peter Jackson 31-6-1 (874)
2. Larry Foley 24-7-3 (559)
3. James Corbett 30-8-3 (478)
4. Dominic McCaffrey 28-10-3 (469)
5. Tom Allen 21-12-1 (495)
6. Frank Mantell 15-5 (418) (P)
7. Bill Lang 18-6 (428)
8. John Sullivan 32-7 (381)
9. Sam Langford 23-6-1 (408)
10. John C. Heenan 23-8-1 (353)
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25. Jack Burns 15-7-1 (203)
50. Pat Kieley 18-18-1 (51) (R)
85. Peter Maher 16-18-1 (-567) (R)

Lightheavyweight

WBA - Joe Butler 32-7-2 (676)
WBC - vacant
1. Fred Russell 14-6 (482)
2. Jack O' Brien 24-5-1 (459)
3. Al Weinig 13-10-1 (426)
4. George Byers 13-7-1 (403)
5. Patsy Cardiff 13-12-1 (394)
6. Alex Greggains 11-3-1 (283) (P)
7. Jack Dillon 15-0 (263) (P)
8. Joe Craig 5-9-1 (242) (P)
9. John Donaldson 16-11 (148)
10 John Miller 8-5-2 (147) (P)
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20. John Flood 9-10-2 (12)
35. Jack Beauscholte 8-10-2 (-563)

(P) = pre-prime, (R) = post-prime

mh2365 · 02-08-2006, 05:12 AM

Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter

Middleweight

WBA - Frank Klaus 17-6-1 (634)
WBC - Charles McCoy 26-8-3 (702)
1. Billy Papke 19-2 (595)
2. Billy McCarthy 25-11-3 (588)
3. Jimmy Handler 11-10-3 (486)
4. Dan Creedon 25-12-1 (499)
5. Stanley Ketchel 25-6 (458)
6. Eddie McGoorty 16-3 (443) (P)
7. Jack Dempsey 34-5 (451)
8. Tommy Ryan 38-2-1 (381)
9. Billy Baker 19-16-4 (366)
10. Bob Moha 10-4-3 (362)
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25. Jack Fogarty 10-4-1 (163) (P)
45. Pete McCoy 17-20-1 (-414) (R)

Welterweight

WBA/C - Joe Gans 34-4-3 (807)
1. Peter Jackson 24-4 (808)
2. George Cole 11-8-3 (806)
3. Jack Britton 17-3-3 (689)
4. Terry Martin 17-2-1 (538)
5. Tommy West 15-5-2 (565)
6. Joe Walcott 23-13-3 (503)
7. Kid Graves 16-3-2 (502)
8. Wlidcat Ferns 13-4 (462) (P)
9. Owen Ziegler 15-16 (461) (R)
10. Kyle Whitney 15-4-3 (442)
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25. Andy Watson 10-4-2 (104) (P)
35. Cy Flynn 9-8 (-467) (P)

(P) = pre-prime, (R) = post-prime

02-06-2006, 04:18 AM	#1084
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	IBF Featherweight tournament - semifinals Re-ranked after first round 1. Jem Driscoll (35-6-1) vs. #4 Oscar Gardner (16-4-1) (first meeting, fight will be next month) 2. Johnny Kilbane (17-1-1) vs. #3 Cal McCarthy (16-3) (first meeting, fight will be in June)

02-06-2006, 11:04 AM	#1085
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Delmont dominates Plimmer I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold. April 16, 1910 WBA Bantamweight Champ Al Delmont (CH) (20-8-2) scored a KO15 over Billy Plimmer (3/4) (22-13-6) for his first defense of the title he took from George Dixon last month. Delmont dominated this fight from the opening bell winning every round except one and putting Plimmer to mat several times. Plimmer's left eye started to swell in the 6th. He suffered a cut over his right eye in the 7th. He went down for the first time in the 9th. Down again in the 10th, twice in the 12th, once in the 14th and then for good in the 15th. I had Delmont leading 139-123 at the stoppage. Markus Heinsohn, ringside expert, had it 139-124. On the undercard HW - George Gardner (63/52) (19-11-3) DRAW10 George Godfrey (14/14) (23-14-3) MW - Dan Creedon (7/4) (25-12-1) TKO9 Charles Goff (37/39) (13-10-2) LW - Dave Wallace (26/20) (10-6) UD10 Jabez White (UR) (9-3-1) (both at pre) LW - Jig Stone (UR) (9-0) UD8 Joe Gregg (UR) (7-1-1) 80-75 (both at pre for this club fight) HW - Ned Kelly (ur/27) (7-7-1) UD8 John McDermont (club) (10-24-2) (kelly at pre, Mcdermont at end .... kelly moves up to main after this club fight)

02-06-2006, 07:06 PM	#1087
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold. April 20, 1910 HW - Jack Root (33/15) (33-9-2) MD 10 Joe Coburn (7/16) (22-12-4) 95-94 root (big win for Root, puts him in the mix in the HW division) LW - Horace Leeds (UR) (11-2) KO3 Charlie Griffin (UR/30) (10-5) 19-19 (both at pre) FW - Jerry Marshall (13/10) (10-7-2) UD10 Tim Hegarty (44/50) (hegarty at pre) LH - Patsy Cardiff (5/5) (13-12-1) DRAW10 John Flood (18/17) (9-10-2) LW - Paddy Smith (UR) (7-5-2) DRAW8 Kid Trembles (UR) (6-1-2) (both at pre for this club fight) HW - Joe Grim (club) (12-26-1) TKO7 PJ Rentzler (club) (13-20-4) (grim at end, rentzler at post ... rentzler moved up to HW for this club fight .... rentzler moved to end after the fight) rentzler marks my first non beginner to change stages automatically ... this was his 5th post-prime fight. When I calculated the next aging for my guys I had the post prime low end at 5, I've since changed it to 10, but there will be some effects of that. Last edited by mh2365; 02-06-2006 at 07:08 PM.

02-07-2006, 03:04 PM	#1092
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02-07-2006, 04:06 PM	#1093
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Not many right now looks like 3 total HW - Joe Jeannette 21-0 LH - Jack Dillon 15-0 FLY - Joe Gates 11-0 Oops missed the guys with 0 losses and a draw MW - Al Rogers 11-0-1 HW - Frank Moran 11-0-1 BW - Harry Harris 11-0-1 MW - Johnny Reagan 10-0-1 WW - George Green 10-0-1 LW - Lockport Jimmy Duffy 10-0-1 BW - George Church 10-0-1 Several up and coming club fighters are still undefeated Last edited by mh2365; 02-07-2006 at 04:10 PM.

02-05-2006, 09:11 AM	#1081
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold. April 13, 1910 FW - Cal McCarthy (4/3) (16-3) KO5 Billy Snailham (5/5) (15-4) 40-36 at the stoppage (both fighters at pre, IBF eliminator fight ... semifinals set, see next post) BW - Harry Forbes (12/11) (17-16-6) TKO8 Ned Morris (33/34) (5-9-2) (Morris at pre) BW - Dave Sullivan (8/7) (15-2-1) KO6 Kid Murphy (4/4) (16-4-2) 48-47 sullivan at stoppage (sullivan at pre, Murphy stepped up to BW for this loss) HW - Sam McVey (53/48) (24-7) UD10 George Perry (54/58) (8-6-4) (mcvey doesn't deserve this low of a ranking but he did lose to two not so great fighters in a row right before the ratings change ... he'll have to work his way back up) LH - Jack Hogan (UR) (9-0) MD8 Tom Parks (UR) (5-7-1) 78-74 Hogan (both at pre for this club fight) MW - Frank Bosworth (UR) (10-2-1) UD8 Billy Manning (7-5) (both at pre for this club fight, bosworth moves to the main division with the win)

02-06-2006, 12:55 PM	#1086
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold. April 18, 1910 HW - Mike Schreck (61/56) (21-16) UD10 Nick Burley (68/75) (16-11) 95-93 HW - Tommy Dugan (54/44) (13-6) TKO7 Dutch Zimmer (UR) (10-2) (zimmer at pre) WW - Dixie Kid (13/11) (19-15-5) UD10 Jimmy Clabby (23/27) (8-7-6) 98-96 FW - Tommy White (30/25) (11-7-3) UD10 Sammy Kelly (24/26) (11-9-1) LW - Frank Bartley (UR) (7-4) UD8 Billy Whistler (club) (10-15-5) (bartley at pre, whistler at post ... whistler stepped up to LW in this weight adjusted club fight) HW - Walter Altieri (UR) (9-0) KO5 Victor McLaglen (UR) (7-4) 39-37 mclaglen at stoppage (both at pre for this club fight)

02-07-2006, 10:02 AM	#1090
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold. April 22, 1910 WW - Billy Myer (29/27) (25-8-4) KO9 Al Neill (26/28) (7-11-2) 75-75 (on a night of upsets, almost had another here ... Myer was down in the fight before stopping Neill .... Myer begins his crawl back toward the top, 3 straight losses right before the conversion hurt him) BW - Nunc Wallace (27/23) (11-5-1) KO1 Watty Austin (20/24) (12-13-3) 0-0 (wallace at pre ... jumped all over Austin from the opening bell) HW - Bill Doherty (39/14) (13-13-1) UD10 Tommy Burns (3/15) (20-8-2) (huge upset for doherty ... see the big upset thread) MW - George Rooke (23/20) (18-16-1) KO7 Jack Fitzgerald (38/40) (7-9-1) (fitz at pre) FW - Patsy Kline (UR) (7-3-1) UD8 Joe Reilly (UR/27) (6-6-3) (both at pre ... reilly moves to the main division after this club fight) LH - Jack Graham (club) (8-12-1) KO6 Chris Pearson (club) (6-18-2) (pearson at post for this club fight)

02-07-2006, 10:30 AM	#1091
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold. April 24, 1910 BW - Terry McGovern (20/17) (31-7-4) TKO4 Young Johnson (21/22) (7-8-1) 30-27 (johnson at pre) HW - Punch Vaughn (62/60) (12-5) TKO8 Jim Flynn (69/76) (17-11) (vaughn at pre) LW - Dave Holly (13/13) (16-6-7) UD10 Eddie Connolly (47/48) (9-11-2) 98-93 HW - Tom Lees (70/52) (21-16) UD10 Ed Dunkhorst (27/55) (21-16-3) (upset rankings wise but not ratings wise, lees was favored) FW - Al Wright (UR/24) (8-5-2) SD8 Billy Elliot (UR) (5-4) (both at pre for this club fight, wright moves to main) MW - Tommy Chandler (club) (16-22-2) UD10 Dick Burge (club) (16-21-2) (both at post, burge stepped up to MW for this club fight)

02-07-2006, 07:23 PM	#1094
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Johnson starts a new defense streak ... in other news Lee MaCrae needs an eye examine I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold. April 26, 1910 Jack Johnson (CH) (37-2) won his first defense of the IBF HW title with a MD15 over Dominick McCaffrey (4/4) (28-10-3). Fairly dull fight with Johnson dominating the early rounds, McCaffrey stealing a couple in the middle and then Johnson holding off a late rally. No cuts, knockdowns or swelling in the fight. I had the fight 144-141 Johnson. The official judges had it 144-142/143-143/145-140. Our ringside expert, Lee Macrae, spent a little too much time at the open bar tonight and ruled in favor of McCaffrey 146-139!!!!! On the undercard LH - Larry Temple (18/17) (16-3-2) KO8 Gunner Moir (22/25) (9-13-1) LW - Young Erne (40/30) (13-6) UD10 Jimmy Carroll (26/34) (17-14-5) 97-94 (Erne at pre, nice win for erne) LW - Patsy Sweeney (21/18) (13-11-2) TKO10 Arthur Douglas (38/42) (11-6) (douglas at pre) FW - Jimmy Anthony (UR) (7-5-1) TKO5 George Phalin (UR/34) (8-7) (both at pre, Anthony stepped up to FW for this club fight, Phalin moved to main) LW - George Monroe (UR) (9-11) UD8 Mike Cushing (UR) (11-23-5) (monroe at pre, cushing at post for this club fight, Monroe still trying to even his record to get to the main division, on his 15th he was 5-10 so he had to stay in club)

02-07-2006, 07:45 PM	#1095
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold. April 28, 1910 LH - Georges Carpentier (UR) (12-1) UD10 John Miller (UR/11) (8-5-2) 99-89 (both at pre .... this is how sad the LH division is right now, Miller has 147 pp and is ranked 11th!) FW - Billy Finucane (38/30) (11-11-3) UD10 Percy Cove (UR/37) (11-3-1) 96-93 (cove at pre) BW - Frankie Neil (16/12) (20-18-3) UD10 Hugh McGovern (29/29) (7-6-5) 98-94 MW - Walter Coffey (UR) (10-4) UD10 Ed Denfass (34/35) (11-6) (coffey at pre)

02-08-2006, 04:34 AM	#1097
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Coulon regains BW title I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold. April 30, 1910 Johnny Coulon (3/CH) (22-3-2) dominated the late rounds for a UD15 win over Charles Goldman (2/3) (14-2-1) (goldman at pre) to regain the WBC BW title. The early rounds were close, with not much going on. Goldman's right eye started to swell in the 5th. In the 7th, Coulon was cut under the left eye and it seemed to wake him up. He didn't lose another round until the 15th. I had it 147-141. My alter ego, ringside, had it 147-140. The official judges had it 146-141/147-140/145-141. On the undercard HW - Dick O'Brien (78/76) (11-7-1) MD10 Steve Reynolds (84/84) (8-11-2) FW - Abe Willis (63/62) (11-6-2) UD10 Eugene Hornbacher (56/59) (10-7-1) 96-94 (both at pre, one of the only times I've seen the winner still ranked below the loser... willis does have 17 more pp but is still ranked behind) FW - Lew Ryall (53/39) (12-6) MD10 Jimmy Hill (UR) (10-3-1) (both at pre) LH - Charles Haghey (25/15) (12-4) MD10 Pat McCourt (7/18) (8-6-2) (both at pre) FW - Ole Oleson (club) (11-12-3) TKO5 Jack Roberts (club) (7-13) (club fight)

02-08-2006, 04:49 AM	#1098
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	End of April 1910 Another month down ... 4 title fights that month and all 4 favorites won with no champ losing their title. Some movement and several debut rankings. Movement (all club to main unless noted) HW - Frank Herald (10-4), Terry Kellar (9-5-1), Jim Savage (10-1), Arthur Shock (10-2-1), Ned Kelly (7-7-1) MW - Frank Bosworth (10-2-1) LW - Jack Dougherty (7-5-3), Gus Brown (10-2-1) FW - Tommy Burns (10-4-1), Joe Reilly (6-6-3), Al Wright (8-5-2), George Phalin (8-7) BW - Jimmy Dunn (8-4-3) Debut Rankings HW - Terry Kellar (9-5-1) (26) HW - Jack Lester (13-1-1) (30) HW - Ned Kelly (7-7-1) (28) LH - Jack Dillon (15-0) (7) LH - Alex Greggains (11-3-1) (6) LH - John Miller (8-5-2) (10) LW - Sammy Smith (10-5) (28) LW - Jack Dougherty (7-5-3) (25) FW - Tommy Burns (10-4-1) (15) FW - Charlie Griffin (10-5) (27) FW - Joe Reilly (6-6-3) (28) FW - Al Wright (8-5-2) (24) FW - George Phalin (8-7) (35) FW - Percy Cove (11-3-1) (37) BW - Paddy Kelly (11-3-1) (18) BW - Jimmy Dunn (8-4-3) (19) monthly fights attached Last edited by mh2365; 04-15-2007 at 07:08 PM.

02-08-2006, 05:02 AM	#1099
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	May, 1910 rankings Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter Heavyweight WBA/WBC - Joe Jeannette 21-0 (810) IBF - Jack Johnson 37-2 (875) 1. Peter Jackson 31-6-1 (874) 2. Larry Foley 24-7-3 (559) 3. James Corbett 30-8-3 (478) 4. Dominic McCaffrey 28-10-3 (469) 5. Tom Allen 21-12-1 (495) 6. Frank Mantell 15-5 (418) (P) 7. Bill Lang 18-6 (428) 8. John Sullivan 32-7 (381) 9. Sam Langford 23-6-1 (408) 10. John C. Heenan 23-8-1 (353) ________ 25. Jack Burns 15-7-1 (203) 50. Pat Kieley 18-18-1 (51) (R) 85. Peter Maher 16-18-1 (-567) (R) Lightheavyweight WBA - Joe Butler 32-7-2 (676) WBC - vacant 1. Fred Russell 14-6 (482) 2. Jack O' Brien 24-5-1 (459) 3. Al Weinig 13-10-1 (426) 4. George Byers 13-7-1 (403) 5. Patsy Cardiff 13-12-1 (394) 6. Alex Greggains 11-3-1 (283) (P) 7. Jack Dillon 15-0 (263) (P) 8. Joe Craig 5-9-1 (242) (P) 9. John Donaldson 16-11 (148) 10 John Miller 8-5-2 (147) (P) _____________________ 20. John Flood 9-10-2 (12) 35. Jack Beauscholte 8-10-2 (-563) (P) = pre-prime, (R) = post-prime Last edited by mh2365; 02-08-2006 at 11:26 AM.

02-08-2006, 05:12 AM	#1100
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	continued Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter Middleweight WBA - Frank Klaus 17-6-1 (634) WBC - Charles McCoy 26-8-3 (702) 1. Billy Papke 19-2 (595) 2. Billy McCarthy 25-11-3 (588) 3. Jimmy Handler 11-10-3 (486) 4. Dan Creedon 25-12-1 (499) 5. Stanley Ketchel 25-6 (458) 6. Eddie McGoorty 16-3 (443) (P) 7. Jack Dempsey 34-5 (451) 8. Tommy Ryan 38-2-1 (381) 9. Billy Baker 19-16-4 (366) 10. Bob Moha 10-4-3 (362) ___________________ 25. Jack Fogarty 10-4-1 (163) (P) 45. Pete McCoy 17-20-1 (-414) (R) Welterweight WBA/C - Joe Gans 34-4-3 (807) 1. Peter Jackson 24-4 (808) 2. George Cole 11-8-3 (806) 3. Jack Britton 17-3-3 (689) 4. Terry Martin 17-2-1 (538) 5. Tommy West 15-5-2 (565) 6. Joe Walcott 23-13-3 (503) 7. Kid Graves 16-3-2 (502) 8. Wlidcat Ferns 13-4 (462) (P) 9. Owen Ziegler 15-16 (461) (R) 10. Kyle Whitney 15-4-3 (442) ______________________ 25. Andy Watson 10-4-2 (104) (P) 35. Cy Flynn 9-8 (-467) (P) (P) = pre-prime, (R) = post-prime Last edited by mh2365; 02-08-2006 at 11:28 AM.