Historical Test from 1901

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The new OOTP 25 historical experience seems terrific.
This is a replay to test the historical engine in various ways.

So just playing out a "historical transactions" mode since 1901
So no trades, no financials.
No minors, so for now no negro players, I will wait until the pitching import issue with them is corrected.

I have increased the league totals to be combined with a modern era then halved.
For example 1901-1909 had a HR per game average of .12
The modern period since 2000 is around 1.10
Added together and divided gives 0.61 or in a 165300 AB modifier, 2940 HR
I have done this for all stats so they are "slightly modernized" but still half way to their real life-

I like to play this way, and given how the game rates players of all eras (in a more neutralized fashion) I will try this out.

To be honest, I stopped playing historical many versions ago...this test is making me want to go back and make this my primary mode of play now


JUST WELL DONE OOTP TEAM!

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Lets look at the decades

So here is the winners 1901-1909
First off the Athletics were dominant in the AL. The pitching was their key to fame.
Without question the stats are turning out great, pitchers are performing so much better than they used to: Cy Young, Christy and Three Finger are all real stars as they should be.

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Here are the overview stats from a couple of years to see

And here are the leaderboards
Single season Hr leaders
39Red Murray 1908
38 Chalie Hickman 1903, Nap Lajoie 1901

AVG
.395 Ty Cobb 1909

WINS
33 Christy Mathewson, TF Brown, Overal Overall 33

Strikeouts
413 Rube Waddell 1904

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And the award winners.
Honus Wagner has been a real beast for the Pirates


In the next few days I will be done with 1910-19 run through

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Cy Young in my test game,
even with my modifier upgrades, he turns out with almost the exact same number of wins.
Excellent

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So I made it to 1939, and so far this quick test has showed me a few interesting things about how this new sim engine might be working. That comes to home runs, and oddly, a possible bias towards Babe Ruth.


First let us get to the champions.
As you can see the Philadel Athletics and Chicago Cubs dominated for a decade, then the Yankees later. W
While previously it seemed that real good teams had a hard time winning, now they have a much better chance of dominating for long stretches. I would rather have the later of course, more realistic option.

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Lets get to the leaderboards just for overview
Look how good the all time pitcher wins turn out!
PS longest hitting streak so far is Bob Meusel 53 games in 1920

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Ok so here is the interesting screen, single season home runs. Now given that I have boosted the HR yearly totals by around 30-40% you would expect players to have a 40% rise in HR totals, and you can see that in many cases that is what happens. A guy who it 34 hits 48.
But when you see the top end the big HR numbers tend to rarely cross 40 (and recall that beyond Ruth there were a number of 50 HR guys in the 1930s)
But it is Ruth specifically. He is hitting at a maybe 15% higher clip than expected, while only once crossing 60 in a season. Given that the totals are 30-40% higher, you would expect him to hit over 70 several times.

So there is an indication that those on the real high high scale of any attribute might not get as big a bonus as others a bit lower will get.

Notice you had Bill Dickey hit 55 HR in 1937, Jim Bottomly hit 60 in 1929.

Just something to consider of how the game is structured .
This would come into play for those guys who play random debut, and have a variety of players from various eras...though I REALLY LIKE how they have normalized ratings over the history of play.
THERE IS NO CRITICISM in any of these posts, I LOVE what OOTP has done with the game, this is just me testing things to learn how the engine is working now with the historical model, so that when I get to playing full on games next week, I have an idea of how to set up the totals and modifiers to reflect the way I would like the historical world to play out.

I will other shots of star players later in the day...mostly, for everyone except Ruth the game looks bang on.

Here are the shots

[luckymann]

Thanks for this bud, any chance on a defensive breakdown at some point?

Thx

G

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Originally Posted by luckymann

Thanks for this bud, any chance on a defensive breakdown at some point?

Thx

G

I haven't been keeping the defensive stats. Sorry on that, I should have been doing that.


I can tell you that the home runs change a bit more pronounced in the 1940s and into the 50s. It is rare to get top players really going over the ceiling, but I have seen a number of 16 home run guys hitting 24.
It has been an interesting test for sure.


For me the big one is that top pitchers (due to BBIP make more accurate hits against stats) now they are top pitchers.


Once Marcus gets the negro league pitchers sorted out, I will go back in, and play a full on game as I think this will be my most enjoyable version yet.


I will keep going with this test over the week just to see how it all played out.

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So I am now at 1960 and wanted to give an over view of how the game did with my project to date.


I did find that once I got into the 1940s and 50s it was VERY hard for the top home run hitters to top 50. Ted Williams never did it, Micky Mantle never did it, Duke Snider though did a couple of times.
Again it seems to be a distribution issue, the asked for league total, in this case 4600 per 165300 at bats, comes out near perfect, but the guy with 35 HR will wind up the same as a guy with 25 HR, and the actual 50 HR guys (Mantle, Mays) have a tough time.


Here are the league champs

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Hall of fame batters sorted by hits

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Hall of fame pitchers by wins

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And season HR and triple crown winners
You can see what Ted Williams won his triple crowns with.


Still all in all I am quite pleased with how the results are turning out, the test though is teachng me a lot for how I will fine tune and tweek when start my real complete game

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Actually I stand corrected to my above post.
My totals for example were supposed to be 4600 HR in 165300 AB, but in 1960 that total was around 4300 and in 1959 around 4200.
League batting averages have been pretty close
I will tweek slightly the recalc modifier number starting in 1961 and see how Maris does with a system boost

[LansdowneSt]

To get more HR from the top guys in the 40s and 50s consider adjusting the “make bad” settings by raising them.

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Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

To get more HR from the top guys in the 40s and 50s consider adjusting the “make bad” settings by raising them.

Thanks.
I saw in a thread that these nunbers are different than in the past, covering more season.
In a 3 year recalc league what values would you suggest for batters and pitchers.
Then i will go test them out

[LansdowneSt]

Give it a go multiplying the defaults by 3

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Ok my sim test is now done, well to 2015, but that did enough . Here is the results
Again I boosted values for home runs and K's, and reduced batting average genrally. An older player should hit 25-30% more home runs, a modern player around the same as a gauage.


First here are the winners
There were more dynasties than I ever thought there would be, Orioles in the 60s and Dodgers in the 70s for example. The Reds were a mostly very average team in the 1970s, I am not sure if Johnny Bench ever hit over 35 HR in a season.

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Next come hall of fame players sorted by hits and wins