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Old 09-28-2019, 12:59 PM   #21
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I I find the short staff strategy undermines the integrity, spirit and enjoyment of the game.

There is a group of ndividuals who have banded together to play the game the "right way" - OL.



Perhaps you could start your own league where everyone agrees to adhere to a rule that is your conception of the right way to play a video game.
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Old 09-28-2019, 02:10 PM   #22
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Am currently trying this with my Balancers...my pitching staff on the season is sitting at -4 WAR and an ERA around 5...so yeah I don't think it's some huge advantage or anything with a non-whale roster. Plus with this setup you get less achievements (no chance for shutouts, Madduxes, no-hitters, etc.) and it's also super easy to counter in the playoffs if you're paying attention. I think it's less powerful than most people suspect. The real power is having a whale roster. 100 Walter/Cy/etc. are gonna be dominant either way
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Old 09-28-2019, 02:12 PM   #23
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Yeah, be ready for the other team's entire staff. Or just figure maybe...maybe you'll get lucky but you aren't ready to compete.
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Old 09-28-2019, 02:33 PM   #24
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As one of the top "cheesers" in the game (at this point I've got nearly half the records in PeL, including the aforementioned 50-win pitcher, by figuring out strategies to specifically target them), I've got some thoughts on this.

- Asking us to conform to modern strategies in a game where indestructible Cy Young is pitching to indestructible Pete Alonso in a ballpark that can be rebuilt every season ignores that this game isn't a realism sim. It's a fantasy sim.

- If an MLB could afford to roster 10-12 elite starters and could get them agree to unique roles, why wouldn't an MLB team attempt some strategies that maximize the performance of that staff? Did the Tampa Bay Rays just cheese their way to the playoffs by using a non-traditional strategy that fits the makeup of their pitching staff?

- Cy Young pitched 453 innings in a season. This game won't let me get him over about 250. Why isn't there more outcry over realism there? If I've figured out a way to get Cy and Walter to pitch valuable innings more than every 4th or 5th game, why is that a problem?

- How is rostering a nearly perfect platoon lineup not also an issue? This strategy fights against the overplatooning that's made possible by PT and has no real advantage over a balanced lineup. If someone runs 7-8 LH in vR and 7-8 RH in vL, am I supposed to go "shucks, it's too bad I have to run a realistic pitching strategy?"

- I don't skew my park by handedness, but I agree with others that park factors are way too strong in this game. I've had the best offense in the history of PeL in a max hitters park and then a few seasons later in a max pitchers park I set the ERA mark. I hope the plan in future games is to add ballpark cards so that you have to select from some real stadiums at least. But, when you are able to tear down my stadium every season, there's no reason not to maximize its ability to enhance your roster.
Well, don't expect complaints, especially the upset variety to be perfectly logical, neither.
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Old 09-28-2019, 03:04 PM   #25
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There is a group of ndividuals who have banded together to play the game the "right way" - OL.



Perhaps you could start your own league where everyone agrees to adhere to a rule that is your conception of the right way to play a video game.
Didn’t know there was a “right way” to play the game. Players are free to play the game in the way that gives them the most enjoyment out of it.
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Old 09-28-2019, 09:08 PM   #26
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Didn’t know there was a “right way” to play the game. Players are free to play the game in the way that gives them the most enjoyment out of it.
God forbid your way prioritizes something other than winning though...
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Old 09-28-2019, 09:14 PM   #27
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God forbid your way prioritizes something other than winning though...


Yea, losing is great fun.
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Old 09-30-2019, 09:29 AM   #28
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Most seasons I don't even check my team while the sims run. I will set a new historical theme on Sunday to see what happens because playing the auction house is more fun than the actual game.
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:58 AM   #29
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- If an MLB could afford to roster 10-12 elite starters and could get them agree to unique roles, why wouldn't an MLB team attempt some strategies that maximize the performance of that staff? Did the Tampa Bay Rays just cheese their way to the playoffs by using a non-traditional strategy that fits the makeup of their pitching staff?

- How is rostering a nearly perfect platoon lineup not also an issue? This strategy fights against the overplatooning that's made possible by PT and has no real advantage over a balanced lineup. If someone runs 7-8 LH in vR and 7-8 RH in vL, am I supposed to go "shucks, it's too bad I have to run a realistic pitching strategy?"

- I hope the plan in future games is to add ballpark cards so that you have to select from some real stadiums at least.
- Nothing wrong with trying strategies, but if a team had all lefty starters who pitched 1-2 innings to be followed up by an entirely right-handed relief staff, it would be trivial to out-manage that in real life. Just bring in your lefties once the starter is gone. But you can't make the AI do that in the game reliably while still managing fatigue. Or just start the lefty lineup regardless. But you can't do that at all.

- How is platooning unrealistic? There were many series this year where my fav team (SFG) would play an 6-7 man lefty platoon one day vs a 6-7 man righty platoon the next (and that's out of 8 men total since there's no DH). If you construct a team that way as the GM Zaidi has, you can easily do it IRL.

-I like the ballpark cards idea!
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Old 10-01-2019, 12:07 PM   #30
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Interesting that this has come up again.

Last year in PL 19, the meta in high level Perfect League (by most of the guys who are in the "Whale" category now) was that LHP couldn't win consistently at the highest level.

Me, being the contrarian that I am, took that as a challenge so I decided to basically do this. Started an all LHP starting rotation for just this reason. However, rather than set a pitch count, all I did was move my hook all the way to as early as I could. I figured that, if my LHP starter was doing well, why pull him?

Despite having a talent disadvantage (again, I think I only had 1 perfect card on my roster last year too), I managed to make the playoffs the 3 seasons I tried this before I got bored.

I think it's actually kind of neat that people are trying to do this again this year.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:15 AM   #31
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I was messing around today and I came across a feature I haven't used yet again. Custom Lineups. You can save a lineup for this type of team, maybe you can't be at your computer all the time or play the game all the time but if you know a team like that is going to be on the schedule, you can set a specific lineup, not necessarily for the right-handed starter or the left-handed starter.
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