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08-08-2016, 10:48 PM | #1 |
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Low Leadership
I was wondering if players with low leadership "ruin" your teams chemistry or if they just have no effect at all. I know players with High leadership help team chemistry but i dont know if low leadership players do the opposite and lower team chemistry.
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08-08-2016, 11:27 PM | #3 | |
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I find that a low work ethic is far more detrimental than low leadership. Your roster should be okay with half of them having low leadership if they have a good work ethic. If you have four or five players with a low work ethic your roster could be in trouble even if they have normal leadership. Last edited by wsenkow; 08-09-2016 at 12:26 AM. |
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08-09-2016, 10:55 AM | #4 |
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08-09-2016, 11:12 AM | #5 |
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low leadership isn't necessarily bad. A guy that keeps to himself isn't a bad clubhouse guy. but a guy with low leadership and high controversy will cause issues. try looking at the personality blurb when looking at low leadership guys.
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08-09-2016, 11:23 AM | #6 |
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Good advice as well by jpeters1734 to follow, I had no idea that what he refers to had such an impact on morale.
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08-09-2016, 11:31 AM | #7 |
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This is the leadership that I like.
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"How important it is for a player to be on a winning team. Players who need winning teams factor this into their decisions about where to sign contracts or extensions. Player morale can suffer greatly if this rating is high and the team is performing poorly." It doesn't appear to affect performance, but rather morale.
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08-09-2016, 11:34 AM | #9 |
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actually, here's the whole list. I think people also undervalue the importance of intelligence.
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08-09-2016, 11:49 AM | #10 | |
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08-10-2016, 08:11 AM | #13 |
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That is something to consider. Generally I prefer players with low desire since they won't get too bummed over losing
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08-10-2016, 06:11 PM | #14 |
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Again thx for correcting me about my interpretation of 'low desire'. For four years Ootp 14-17, I've been doing it wrong! No wonder by the time the All Star break rolls around half of my roster needs a spanking!
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08-10-2016, 07:07 PM | #15 |
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No. I only edit positions that players shouldn't play
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08-11-2016, 03:05 PM | #16 | |
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Except in turn, morale can effect performance. |
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08-11-2016, 03:24 PM | #17 |
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There are some potential misunderstandings in this thread:
- very low Leadership is bad. Those are your jerks. If a guy is just a decent quiet guy, his Leadership will be Normal; - high Leadership is always good. You can't have 'too many leaders'. Trading for Derek Jeter will always help your clubhouse, never hurt it, the game would be nonsensical otherwise; - Morale has only a very small effect on performance. |
08-14-2016, 03:09 AM | #18 | |
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There certainly can be too many leaders. Many studies show that too many leaders can actually be detrimental to organizations. Anybody who has worked in departments where too many leaders exist, knows that it can be messy, confusing and full of conflict. If OOTP doesn't reflect such things then the module is wrong not misunderstood. I know one link does not equal proof but the list is long. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...poil-the-group
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08-14-2016, 03:21 AM | #19 |
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Guys with low leadership alone are not a problem. You need a few guys who are leaders but they don't all have to be. High greed and low work ethic are the ones to,watch out for. Those guys will tank your team chemistry. Also, be wary of guys whose personality descriptions say something like "He speaks his mind." or "teammates find him arrogant and condescending". These guys score high for outspokenness and/or controversy, which are hidden ratings. These guys are bad for moral, also, because they cause disruption. If you have a player with low moral because "he feels outspoken players are dragging the team down" that means you have some loudmouths pointing fingers and assigning blame in your clubhouse. Only take these guys on if you have some strong leaders.
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The model is not wrong; it's designed so that the personality model is playable and non-arbitrary. It would be nonsensical to most users if they go to sign Derek Jeter as an FA, his Personality blurb reads "everyone in the game loves Jeter", so you ink him to a deal, and six months later he's causing clubhouse problems. And if there were some ideal number of Leaders you're supposed to have (a number that would be completely arbitrary), then users wanting a good clubhouse would have to spend an inordinate amount of time scanning their players' Personality ratings - so far too much time on something that really shouldn't be very important. The model is supposed to be easy to use. Good personality players are good for your team, bad personality players are bad for your team. I wouldn't want to use a personality system more complicated than that. |
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