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Old 09-21-2014, 07:19 PM   #1
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What am I bunting for?

Speedy runner at first base, speedy lefty on(good contact, yet no power) . Bunting for hit 67, sac bunting 90.

My thoughts: let him bunt, he is unlikely to score the runner on a base hit anyway, hitting mostly singles will get the runner at best to third.

If he's safe my sluggers have a couple of fast baserunners to knock in, if he's out, it'll be at least a sac bunt. Bouncing into a double play should be almost impossible, fielders choices rare.

But it doesn't seem to work. He sac bunts alright, but almost never gets on base himself. Why? Statistical fluke or where am I missing something?
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Old 09-21-2014, 08:03 PM   #2
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Speedy runner at first base, speedy lefty on(good contact, yet no power) . Bunting for hit 67, sac bunting 90.

My thoughts: let him bunt, he is unlikely to score the runner on a base hit anyway, hitting mostly singles will get the runner at best to third.

If he's safe my sluggers have a couple of fast baserunners to knock in, if he's out, it'll be at least a sac bunt. Bouncing into a double play should be almost impossible, fielders choices rare.

But it doesn't seem to work. He sac bunts alright, but almost never gets on base himself. Why? Statistical fluke or where am I missing something?
Sacrifice bunt means exactly that. The expectation is that the bunter will be out. Bunting for a hit is by definition not done with a man on first.

Why would you expect something different?
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Old 09-21-2014, 08:17 PM   #3
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The button is only labeled "bunt". If it was labeled sac bunt, this behaviour would be expected. However I assumed it wasn't a pure sac bunt, because then shouldn't it be labeled this way?
Obviously, I'm looking for a way to have my cake and eat it, too. However with a speedy runner on first, a speedy, good-bunting lefty at bat, wouldn't that be a viable play in real life as well? I'm still missing some of the finer points of baseball, so maybe what I'm trying to do has a real life flaw I'm missing and so wouldn't work.
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The button is only labeled "bunt". If it was labeled sac bunt, this behaviour would be expected.
As I explained, with a runner on first base any bunt is a sacrifice by definition. Such bunts are signaled; ie the manager through the 3B coach will "put it on" so that the runner knows what to do. Bunting for a hit is a bases empty strategy with some very rare exceptions and is not typically signaled but a surprise strategy from a player who is extremely fast. Sacrifice bunts require no speed, only the capability to get the bunt into fair territory. Sacrifice bunts in the modern game are a poor strategy most of the time.

A bunt that leads to a fielders choice ie runner out at 2B is a failure of the strategy. A bunt that leads to a hit and the runner safe at 2B is a nice bonus for a sacrifice attempt.
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Old 09-21-2014, 09:57 PM   #5
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I know what a sac bunt is but thanks for the explanation.

The play I'd like to sign to my batter is: Runner at first, try to bunt for a hit. However don't bunt in a way that they could nail the lead runner or even double play you.

I guess in the game it is impossible. Maybe in 16 different buttons for bunt for hit and sac bunt? There is no reason why I shouldn't be able to order my batter "yeah I want you to bunt for hit, you're a speedy lefty, I know there is a runner at first, just do it!"
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But it doesn't seem to work. He sac bunts alright, but almost never gets on base himself. Why? Statistical fluke or where am I missing something?
You'll very rarely get a bunt hit in this type of situation because the defense will already be 'hunting in' looking for the bunt. You've got a singles hitter at the plate, who's known to be able to bunt, so your opposition will likely take their chances with the corners in looking for the easy out.

Bunting to hit is a high-risk, low-payoff strategy anyway, especially if used often, and even with nobody on base. Even the most skilled bunter is going to get out 80-90% of the time. Too many infield arms, too many scouting reports telling everybody the guy loves to bunt, too much reliance on fielder error.
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