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03-19-2019, 09:12 AM | #21 | |
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03-19-2019, 09:17 AM | #22 | |
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03-19-2019, 09:45 AM | #23 |
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Someone on Reddit posted that they shopped Johan Camargo and got back offers of Benintendi, Kopech, Moncada, Corey Seager, Correa, Realmuto, Francisco Mejia, Alex Reyes and Joey Gallo (to name a few).
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03-19-2019, 10:23 AM | #24 |
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OOTP does not know names Camargo is a very young & good SS with 5 years of team control left. ZiPS likes him. So he ended up with good ratings. Simple as that.
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03-19-2019, 10:28 AM | #25 | |
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Only player who doesn't really make sense is Correa. Mejia is a prospect not sure if he went down from 19 to 20. But all of the official projections have him lower at MLB level then AAA. So it might not be too far. |
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03-19-2019, 11:00 AM | #26 |
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ZiPS is a lot higher on Camargo than the average projection, but a few of those trades would be steals, and only a couple of them really make me raise my eyebrows.
For example, jimmysthebestcop mentioned Carlos Correa, but the 2019 ZiPS projections for Camargo/Correa, combined with their different contract statuses ... if you squint, you can see it. Any time it seems weird, go to Fangraphs and look at the respective ZiPS projections. ZiPS produces a lot of outliers, and if it's the high system on one guy and the low guy on another, it can produce trades that appear lopsided to the human user, but aren't as much under the hood. Last edited by Shake Appeal; 03-19-2019 at 11:03 AM. |
03-19-2019, 11:24 AM | #27 |
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In an ideal world, OOTP would use Fangraphs' Depth Charts, which smoothes out some of the quirks of both Steamer and ZiPS. But I imagine they have some relationship with Dan S. to use the latter.
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03-19-2019, 11:33 AM | #28 |
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Yeah, I suppose that's always going to be the issue. Using one projection system, it's like every GM is a ZiPS fanatic and judges players accordingly.
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03-19-2019, 11:43 AM | #29 |
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Every time projections are released, everyone complains that their favorite players are not favored enough. If I were writing an article about some projection being released, I'd have comments turned off for it. It's not personal, bud. It's a math formula.
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03-19-2019, 12:28 PM | #30 |
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is there something like this for players who were just traded for? in my latest game, the twins traded for Jose Martinez of the Cardinals and immediately put him on the trading block
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03-19-2019, 12:47 PM | #31 |
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OTTP 20 LOVES Ichiro
Started a new test game with the Mariners. Started shopping the veterans. I shopped Ichiro and got way too many good offers. Ended up trading Ichiro straight up to the Astros for Roberto Osuna. The Astros then proceeded to immediately release Ichiro.
Also sort of disappointed that they don't have the Japan games included. In 20 the M's open in Oakland instead of Japan. |
03-19-2019, 12:48 PM | #32 |
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Yep, Osuna is easy to get from the Astros
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03-19-2019, 12:51 PM | #33 | |
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So even if you used 6 of them an averaged together it wouldn't really be any different except it would cause a huge increase of work. And this is really only for the 1st year in an MLB campaign. But once mlb season starts OOTP has live updates so once the players start getting at bats it should normalize. Remember everyone is playing the 2019 season before it actually starts. If every prediction worked out we would just use OOTP and bet in LAs Vegas all be millionaires. Camargo did have a 3.3 War in only 120 games. I think he beat everyone on that list. Now Camargo could play 3B, 2B, SS and now Braves trying him in outfield. The anomaly could be Seager as Zips has him as an injury risk so his projections are for like 130 games. So I actually think the AI was making pretty solid offers. Even Joey Gallo Camargo out WAR-ed him last year. He hits HR and thats it. He can't even play defense. |
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03-19-2019, 01:16 PM | #34 |
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Just wish the game had an "approve trade" in Commissioner Mode so I didn't have to go back and put players on their original teams when I feel the trade is unrealistic or doesn't fit what I want in the save.
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03-19-2019, 03:50 PM | #35 | |
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