Cleanup hitter unhappy with lineup spot

Cobby · 09-13-2019, 12:41 AM

Tom Ward, my cleanup hitter is upset enough that he wants to be traded because for some reason, he doesn't realize that he actually is the cleanup hitter. Eh?

Oh, and the trading deadline has passed. And by the way, we're in a division race, 3 games out at the beginning of September.

True, his personality blurb says that he is "thick-headed".

I can imagine the conversation:

Ward: I demand to be traded. I want to hit in the middle of the lineup!
GM: Huh? You've been hitting fourth!
Ward: Yeah but I want to hit in the middle!
GM: Well, half of 9 is 4.5. Are you saying you want hit 4 and a half in the lineup?
Ward: Yeah, so trade me!
GM: The trade deadline is over.
Ward: Trade me anyway. I can't take it. I wanna hit in the middle!
GM: Uh... OK. We'll look in to it. (walks away shaking his head)

(OK, OK, Full disclosure: he's got a huge platoon differential, so although he does hit fourth against righties, he hits 8th against lefties - so he's upset about that I guess.)

CBeisbol · 09-13-2019, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobby

Tom Ward, my cleanup hitter is upset enough that he wants to be traded because for some reason, he doesn't realize that he actually is the cleanup hitter. Eh?

Oh, and the trading deadline has passed. And by the way, we're in a division race, 3 games out at the beginning of September.

True, his personality blurb says that he is "thick-headed".

I can imagine the conversation:

Ward: I demand to be traded. I want to hit in the middle of the lineup!
GM: Huh? You've been hitting fourth!
Ward: Yeah but I want to hit in the middle!
GM: Well, half of 9 is 4.5. Are you saying you want hit 4 and a half in the lineup?
Ward: Yeah, so trade me!
GM: The trade deadline is over.
Ward: Trade me anyway. I can't take it. I wanna hit in the middle!
GM: Uh... OK. We'll look in to it. (walks away shaking his head)

(OK, OK, Full disclosure: he's got a huge platoon differential, so although he does hit fourth against righties, he hits 8th against lefties - so he's upset about that I guess.)

4 plus 8 is 12
Half of 12 is 6
1-3 is the top of the order
7-9 is the bottom of the order
And
4-6 is the middle of the order

What's he complaining about?

cmaug · 09-13-2019, 09:52 AM

1 is the top
9 is the bottom

everything else is the middle

jeffw3000 · 09-13-2019, 10:45 AM

He is probably not happy that he gets moved to 8th against lefties.

Tram2Whitaker · 09-14-2019, 09:00 AM

Absent of his r/l splits, what's his splits in different slots in the batting order? This might be a moot point, if you play all the games (meaning they'd all be either 4 or 8), but sometimes the a.i. manager will move them around. I've had players that hit better at the #6 spot than at #8, with no other context (such as who's hitting in front, or behind) so, I find it best to slot them in at #6 and not ask questions.

Cobby · 09-14-2019, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tram2Whitaker

Absent of his r/l splits, what's his splits in different slots in the batting order? This might be a moot point, if you play all the games (meaning they'd all be either 4 or 8), but sometimes the a.i. manager will move them around. I've had players that hit better at the #6 spot than at #8, with no other context (such as who's hitting in front, or behind) so, I find it best to slot them in at #6 and not ask questions.

You got me curious, but I've clicked over to the next season and I couldn't find a way to do the double split of "last year" and "lineup spot". I don't play out the games, so maybe the AI is messing with the batting order (I hope not, since I'm supposedly in control of it)...

And as a Karmic side note: just one week after his trade demand, Ward broke his elbow and was out for the rest of the season.

CBeisbol · 09-14-2019, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobby

And as a Karmic side note: just one week after his trade demand, Ward broke his elbow and was out for the rest of the season.

Was he hit by a pitch?
While hitting eighth?
Maybe he would have been if he'd been hitting in a different spot in the order and that's why he was unhappy.

MrBojangles · 09-14-2019, 01:14 PM

bump him to #5

Ty Cobb · 09-14-2019, 01:22 PM

When I get guys like that, I let 'em fester till the off season, then trade 'em to the worst team in the league.

Cobby · 09-14-2019, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

When I get guys like that, I let 'em fester till the off season, then trade 'em to the worst team in the league.

Exactly what I did with this guy.

But, actually, I normally just ignore their complaining (unless they are a disruptive personality type). I traded him mainly because he was 31 and it was time for him to go not because of him being a malcontent. But I did have the complaining in the back of my mind when I made the trade...

He must've been really unhappy, since I usually only get these complaining messages when the team is tanking. In this case we were contending.

Cobby · 09-14-2019, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

4 plus 8 is 12
Half of 12 is 6
1-3 is the top of the order
7-9 is the bottom of the order
And
4-6 is the middle of the order

What's he complaining about?

Yeah, plus he probably faces twice as many righties at lefties, so ((2*4)+8)/3 = 5 1/3. So he averaging out around 5th...

09-13-2019, 12:41 AM	#1
Cobby Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 252	Cleanup hitter unhappy with lineup spot Tom Ward, my cleanup hitter is upset enough that he wants to be traded because for some reason, he doesn't realize that he actually is the cleanup hitter. Eh? Oh, and the trading deadline has passed. And by the way, we're in a division race, 3 games out at the beginning of September. True, his personality blurb says that he is "thick-headed". I can imagine the conversation: Ward: I demand to be traded. I want to hit in the middle of the lineup! GM: Huh? You've been hitting fourth! Ward: Yeah but I want to hit in the middle! GM: Well, half of 9 is 4.5. Are you saying you want hit 4 and a half in the lineup? Ward: Yeah, so trade me! GM: The trade deadline is over. Ward: Trade me anyway. I can't take it. I wanna hit in the middle! GM: Uh... OK. We'll look in to it. (walks away shaking his head) (OK, OK, Full disclosure: he's got a huge platoon differential, so although he does hit fourth against righties, he hits 8th against lefties - so he's upset about that I guess.)

09-14-2019, 01:22 PM	#9
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09-13-2019, 09:52 AM	#3
cmaug Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 344	1 is the top 9 is the bottom everything else is the middle

09-13-2019, 10:45 AM	#4
jeffw3000 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 296	He is probably not happy that he gets moved to 8th against lefties.

09-14-2019, 09:00 AM	#5
Tram2Whitaker All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 619	Absent of his r/l splits, what's his splits in different slots in the batting order? This might be a moot point, if you play all the games (meaning they'd all be either 4 or 8), but sometimes the a.i. manager will move them around. I've had players that hit better at the #6 spot than at #8, with no other context (such as who's hitting in front, or behind) so, I find it best to slot them in at #6 and not ask questions. __________________ 404'd!

09-14-2019, 01:14 PM	#8
MrBojangles All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: low and inside Posts: 568	bump him to #5