Banned from Perfect Team

sk3tch · 07-20-2019, 08:57 AM

I was insta-banned without warning. I have spent north of $5,000 on the game between 3 teams (about 95% on one team). I was moving cards from one account to the next as I was building up my other teams. Cards that I had purchased legitimately. This allegedly broke an unspoken ToS that was not in my download and never was.

I have submitted a ticket to engage with the devs to see what options there are. But, in the meantime, be careful out there. I think bans without warning are severe in a game where you input money ("pay to win") with no way to extract that money out of the game.

If I can be banned instantly after "investing" all of that money into OOTP - I would recommend reconsidering buying any more PP, as the rules are vague and not evenly enforced - especially in light of banning permanently and without warning.

dancariaz · 07-20-2019, 09:19 AM

You're not allowed to transfer cards from one team/account to another.

btw:

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Please keep in mind that penalties for violations of the ToS include written warnings and outright bans

justpatrick · 07-20-2019, 09:58 AM

Before this thread gets locked or otherwise sent to oblivion, you weren´t transferring players from one team to the other at a substantial discount on market value were you? Or perhaps grossly overpriced? If so, common sense would tell you that ain´t cool. But if you have a real beef then I hope you can work it out.

Hey, you weren´t the "4001" guy were you? If so, that type of dealing would definitely explain you being banned so quickly.

Westheim · 07-20-2019, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sk3tch

the rules are vague and not evenly enforced -

No, the rules are clear.

X3NEIZE · 07-20-2019, 10:06 AM

I don't understand why spend so much money and not carefully protect your account by NOT violating the TOS...

Seriously, when you have so much to lose, you typically care a bit more...

For one I applaud OOTP for actually enforcing the TOS and sending a message, but having said this, as someone who also invested in the game money and more importantly time, I vote for forgiveness with a serious warning to everyone that has done any type of illegal transfers.

Good luck.

Orcin · 07-20-2019, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sk3tch

But, in the meantime, be careful out there.

No problem out here. We read the ToS, which is installed with the game and clearly says that you can't move points between teams.

mcdog512 · 07-20-2019, 10:12 AM

As Orcin said, it could not be made more clear. DO NOT TRANSFER CARDS OR POINTS BETWEEN YOUR TEAMS.

What in that is unclear or could cause a misunderstanding?

qcbandits · 07-20-2019, 10:25 AM

I am not nor have I ever been employed by OOTP Dev but I thank you for your donation to them. Maybe next time you won't try and cheat. Have a great day.

Bunktown Ballers · 07-20-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sk3tch

I was insta-banned without warning. I have spent north of $5,000 on the game between 3 teams (about 95% on one team). I was moving cards from one account to the next as I was building up my other teams. Cards that I had purchased legitimately. This allegedly broke an unspoken ToS that was not in my download and never was.

I have submitted a ticket to engage with the devs to see what options there are. But, in the meantime, be careful out there. I think bans without warning are severe in a game where you input money ("pay to win") with no way to extract that money out of the game.

If I can be banned instantly after "investing" all of that money into OOTP - I would recommend reconsidering buying any more PP, as the rules are vague and not evenly enforced - especially in light of banning permanently and without warning.

It's about time. Tired of whales putting a league of silver & gold league teams out to wasteland. Thank You PT20 Team

eldur00 · 07-20-2019, 10:39 AM

Glad to see people who spent that much are not immune to a ban.

SF Giants · 07-20-2019, 10:56 AM

Could someone (perhaps the author) publish more details? I am very curious about it and also I am very happy that I resisted the temptation to help the main team. Actually, now when work on my main team is done I'd like to refocus on other one ... on other "project" ... although I never wanted to cheat by transfering huge amount of PPs I wanted to move there some players from packs which would fit the strategy or slip few thousands of PPs just to afford some good buy in AH.

I had the same thinking as sk3tch (at least I assume I had) - if I spend 100$+ nobody will care if I will move few thousands or few cards among accounts. If someone spends 5k then who cares that he will move few cards. The person can obviously afford to buy a sh*tload of points so why to care about ten thousands of PPs? How big edge the person got given the money invested in? Negligible ...

Actually, I am (and was) so scared to move some PPs in OOTP19 PT, which no one plays anymore, just not to be banned in PT20 as the PT20 and PT19 accounts are connected. As such it's safer to play (or not to play at all) PT19 passively rather than try experimental stuff there ....

X3NEIZE · 07-20-2019, 11:04 AM

I'm not sure we need more details...it's pretty clear, read the TOS and you will have every detail you need....

PocketsAintFull · 07-20-2019, 11:04 AM

There should certainly be warnings first, though we don’t know what happened in this specific case.

Thundercrack · 07-20-2019, 11:11 AM

$5,000 on digital baseball cards that will turn to dust in a year. Unreal.

Lukas Berger · 07-20-2019, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SF Giants

Could someone (perhaps the author) publish more details? I am very curious about it and also I am very happy that I resisted the temptation to help the main team. Actually, now when work on my main team is done I'd like to refocus on other one ... on other "project" ... although I never wanted to cheat by transfering huge amount of PPs I wanted to move there some players from packs which would fit the strategy or slip few thousands of PPs just to afford some good buy in AH.

I had the same thinking as sk3tch (at least I assume I had) - if I spend 100$+ nobody will care if I will move few thousands or few cards among accounts. If someone spends 5k then who cares that he will move few cards. The person can obviously afford to buy a sh*tload of points so why to care about ten thousands of PPs? How big edge the person got given the money invested in? Negligible ...

Actually, I am (and was) so scared to move some PPs in OOTP19 PT, which no one plays anymore, just not to be banned in PT20 as the PT20 and PT19 accounts are connected. As such it's safer to play (or not to play at all) PT19 passively rather than try experimental stuff there ....

I'll reply with our official position since this is an important thing to have clear.

Funneling points or cards between accounts is not allowed under the TOS, no matter how much someone has spent.

If you're spending money and interested in building up multiple teams, then the way to handle things is to drop less money into your main team and spend some of that directly on the lesser teams.

But if you're funneling points or cards between teams, than that is subject to a warning or instant ban (which depends on the severity of the actions, instant bans without warnings are only for truly flagrant and egregious violations).

Kushiel · 07-20-2019, 11:32 AM

Lukas said it perfectly. If you blatantly cheat you are out of here regardless of investment. I tip my cap to the Dev Team. Your actions make us small fry love the game more.

dkgo · 07-20-2019, 12:52 PM

So you were the guy funneling all those cards for 4001

Transferring between multiple accounts is one of the easiest ways to eat a ban in any mmo that exists

MarkGracesSlumpBuster · 07-20-2019, 02:13 PM

It’s extremely harsh to make a statement by cutting guys out on the first offense. Suspend them, sure. Just this past week, the powers that be said they are going to be more strict on enforcing the rules. Maybe they should have been strict in the first place?

waittilnextyear · 07-20-2019, 02:56 PM

I have zero sympathy for the OP. Spending money like that and still trying to bend every rule to get additional advantages is excessive, indulgent, decadent.

This was NOT an unspoken rule either--there's been adequate hand-wringing about point funneling all over the boards even if one hasn't properly read the TOS like one should.

SpacePope · 07-20-2019, 03:11 PM

Bummer all around. I hope you can work it out with the devs.

Some of the responses to this thread are a bigger turn off then watching 300k cards sell for 4001. The guy poured 5k into the game. Have a heart!

07-20-2019, 08:57 AM	#1
sk3tch Bat Boy Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 17	Banned from Perfect Team I was insta-banned without warning. I have spent north of $5,000 on the game between 3 teams (about 95% on one team). I was moving cards from one account to the next as I was building up my other teams. Cards that I had purchased legitimately. This allegedly broke an unspoken ToS that was not in my download and never was. I have submitted a ticket to engage with the devs to see what options there are. But, in the meantime, be careful out there. I think bans without warning are severe in a game where you input money ("pay to win") with no way to extract that money out of the game. If I can be banned instantly after "investing" all of that money into OOTP - I would recommend reconsidering buying any more PP, as the rules are vague and not evenly enforced - especially in light of banning permanently and without warning.

07-20-2019, 09:58 AM	#3
justpatrick Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 305	Before this thread gets locked or otherwise sent to oblivion, you weren´t transferring players from one team to the other at a substantial discount on market value were you? Or perhaps grossly overpriced? If so, common sense would tell you that ain´t cool. But if you have a real beef then I hope you can work it out. Hey, you weren´t the "4001" guy were you? If so, that type of dealing would definitely explain you being banned so quickly. __________________

07-20-2019, 10:06 AM	#5
X3NEIZE All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 649	I don't understand why spend so much money and not carefully protect your account by NOT violating the TOS... Seriously, when you have so much to lose, you typically care a bit more... For one I applaud OOTP for actually enforcing the TOS and sending a message, but having said this, as someone who also invested in the game money and more importantly time, I vote for forgiveness with a serious warning to everyone that has done any type of illegal transfers. Good luck. __________________

07-20-2019, 10:12 AM	#7
mcdog512 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Pack Robert Gibson; November 9, 1935 – October 2, 2020 Posts: 2,339	As Orcin said, it could not be made more clear. DO NOT TRANSFER CARDS OR POINTS BETWEEN YOUR TEAMS. What in that is unclear or could cause a misunderstanding? __________________

07-20-2019, 10:56 AM	#11
SF Giants Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 115	Could someone (perhaps the author) publish more details? I am very curious about it and also I am very happy that I resisted the temptation to help the main team. Actually, now when work on my main team is done I'd like to refocus on other one ... on other "project" ... although I never wanted to cheat by transfering huge amount of PPs I wanted to move there some players from packs which would fit the strategy or slip few thousands of PPs just to afford some good buy in AH. I had the same thinking as sk3tch (at least I assume I had) - if I spend 100$+ nobody will care if I will move few thousands or few cards among accounts. If someone spends 5k then who cares that he will move few cards. The person can obviously afford to buy a shtload of points so why to care about ten thousands of PPs? How big edge the person got given the money invested in? Negligible ... Actually, I am (and was) so scared to move some PPs in OOTP19 PT, which no one plays anymore, just not to be banned in PT20 as the PT20 and PT19 accounts are connected. As such it's safer to play (or not to play at all) PT19 passively rather than try experimental stuff there .... __________________ Last edited by SF Giants; 07-20-2019 at 11:01 AM.*

07-20-2019, 10:25 AM	#8
qcbandits Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,441 Infractions: 0/4 (4)	I am not nor have I ever been employed by OOTP Dev but I thank you for your donation to them. Maybe next time you won't try and cheat. Have a great day.

07-20-2019, 10:39 AM	#10
eldur00 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 506	Glad to see people who spent that much are not immune to a ban.

07-20-2019, 11:04 AM	#12
X3NEIZE All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 649	I'm not sure we need more details...it's pretty clear, read the TOS and you will have every detail you need.... __________________

07-20-2019, 11:04 AM	#13
PocketsAintFull All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,771	There should certainly be warnings first, though we don’t know what happened in this specific case. __________________

07-20-2019, 11:11 AM	#14
Thundercrack All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 831	$5,000 on digital baseball cards that will turn to dust in a year. Unreal.

07-20-2019, 11:32 AM	#16
Kushiel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas Posts: 1,697	Lukas said it perfectly. If you blatantly cheat you are out of here regardless of investment. I tip my cap to the Dev Team. Your actions make us small fry love the game more. __________________ *Favente Deo supero*

07-20-2019, 12:52 PM	#17
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	So you were the guy funneling all those cards for 4001 Transferring between multiple accounts is one of the easiest ways to eat a ban in any mmo that exists

07-20-2019, 02:13 PM	#18
MarkGracesSlumpBuster Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 49	It’s extremely harsh to make a statement by cutting guys out on the first offense. Suspend them, sure. Just this past week, the powers that be said they are going to be more strict on enforcing the rules. Maybe they should have been strict in the first place?

07-20-2019, 02:56 PM	#19
waittilnextyear All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,272	I have zero sympathy for the OP. Spending money like that and still trying to bend every rule to get additional advantages is excessive, indulgent, decadent. This was NOT an unspoken rule either--there's been adequate hand-wringing about point funneling all over the boards even if one hasn't properly read the TOS like one should. __________________

07-20-2019, 03:11 PM	#20
SpacePope Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 88	Bummer all around. I hope you can work it out with the devs. Some of the responses to this thread are a bigger turn off then watching 300k cards sell for 4001. The guy poured 5k into the game. Have a heart!