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Old 04-06-2019, 12:29 AM   #1
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70s closer - no 7th or later

Say i want bruce sutter to close the game and finish the final 3 innings.
How do I set his primary role.

Usage option for closer longest is 8th or later

Also - if you have a secondary closer when do they get used as closer.
I assume it has to do with primary closer fatigue level
If primary closr a 71% fatigue, how does that change his performane?
I want my secondary to come in any time the fatigue level alters their performance
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Old 04-06-2019, 12:31 AM   #2
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Try stopper.
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Old 04-06-2019, 07:55 AM   #3
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Stopper set to 7th and Close Game.
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Old 04-06-2019, 07:58 AM   #4
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closers werent a thing until the 80's and even then probably more like a stopper until eckersly really shifted things. still a transition period even in 80's. heck, you could still find 4-man rotations in the early-to-mid 80's.
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Stopper set to 7th and Close Game.
thx - so what happens if you have a stopper and closer.
what happens if you have a stopper in secondary role? you can't chose the usage option
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thx - so what happens if you have a stopper and closer.
what happens if you have a stopper in secondary role? you can't chose the usage option
My guess is that the stopper then becomes a sort of two inning or more setup man.

I remember Fred Beene. When I was 12-13 and watched the 1972-3 Yankees, he had this amazing curve ball. Seemed unhittable. Having him in the same bullpen with Sparky was a great thing. Got traded to Cleveland and I remember being sorry, though we got Chris Chambliss in that trade.
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Stopper and closer aren't inconsistent roles. If a team has both, the stopper will come in if the game is close in the late innings, then give way to the closer. If the game isn't close, a setup man will precede the closer, and the stopper will enter only if the setup man or the closer runs into trouble.
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What I do is set one of my setup guys to stopper secondarily.
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closers werent a thing until the 80's and even then probably more like a stopper until eckersly really shifted things. still a transition period even in 80's. heck, you could still find 4-man rotations in the early-to-mid 80's.
That's not exactly true. There were five pitchers in MLB in 1975 with 20 or more saves and Rollie Fingers led the way for games finished with 59 with eleven other pitchers having 40 or more. Whatever you want to call it, there was certainly a recognized role for something similar to a closer even in 1975.
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Stopper and closer aren't inconsistent roles. If a team has both, the stopper will come in if the game is close in the late innings, then give way to the closer. If the game isn't close, a setup man will precede the closer, and the stopper will enter only if the setup man or the closer runs into trouble.
If you only have set up and closer and another pitcher as a secondary closer, when does the secondary get to pitch?

Essentially i am manually go in an swapping closer 1 and closer 2 when 1 is 30% tired because the AI doesn't seem to do it
Or if one goes cold
(jim palmer and juan marichal)

I have tried stopper in secondar...hasn't really done anything
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My guess is that the stopper then becomes a sort of two inning or more setup man.

I remember Fred Beene. When I was 12-13 and watched the 1972-3 Yankees, he had this amazing curve ball. Seemed unhittable. Having him in the same bullpen with Sparky was a great thing. Got traded to Cleveland and I remember being sorry, though we got Chris Chambliss in that trade.
Ha - my father always cursed the indians trades of chamblis and nettles.
Fred was always this mysterious figure to me with what i thought was a cool card...falling into the whatever happened too category....

I am hellbent on replaying the 70s and give a little extra attention to fred and develop him into at least a 10 year vet : )

BTW there are some really interesting 70s card sites on twitter
and bottomcards, SARB and FlagstaffFilms have HOME footage in good quality of players i never got to see play....i think the OOTP developers need to watch them for research!!! : )
youtube as old radio broadcast that i find fascinating
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I messed with this before.My experience with this is If you use the Stopper and Closer on the same staff your Closer will see very little action. IIRC the Closer will Pitch 25-30 ip your stopper would have gotten and be used mainly when your Stopper is tired and that's IF you have no Stopper listed as a secondary role. Rarely did I ever see them Pitch in the same game
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I messed with this before.My experience with this is If you use the Stopper and Closer on the same staff your Closer will see very little action. IIRC the Closer will Pitch 25-30 ip your stopper would have gotten and be used mainly when your Stopper is tired and that's IF you have no Stopper listed as a secondary role. Rarely did I ever see them Pitch in the same game
Why doesn't the documentation provide greater insight??
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Why doesn't the documentation provide greater insight??
thinking out loud
Probably because there is no defining Historical line between the Stopper and the Closer Roles as far as when one was implemented over the other. Were only know it happened in the 80's. It was a gradual evolution at times there were teams still using a Stopper and some teams going with the Closer. The main difference being the number of Innings worked and the point of entry. Stoppers would come in and finish games as early as the 7th inning, sometimes pitching more than 3ip, Closers Historically never went longer than 2 innings and usually 1 or less more often than more than 1. The only thing for certain is that teams went with one or the other during the time when these roles overlapped and for the most part No Teams utilized both on the same Staff. There can only be one guy who finishes the game regardless of when he comes in.

Since these 2 Roles were never actually used together Historically, It is probably impossible to give "greater insight" into how the game will act when a team chooses to do that.
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My preferred way to set it up is Best reliever Stopper- 7th inning or more +close or lead. Secondary role:High leverage. Second best reliever: Primary setup 6th or later + secondary stopper. This seems to maximize the amount that the best two relief pitchers pitch although the second guy will get most of the saves (if you care).
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