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I mean, reminding somebody, "Hey, you know you shouldn't just blurt out whatever you're thinking. Maybe think about a tactful way to respond or maybe even say nothing at al," can be good advice. So, too, can reminding someone to "follow the golden rule." Haven't most of us observed or had heated moments where we've reminded children, buddies, or ourselves of the golden rule? We don't have to have agreement on how these statements/rules are defined in order for them to be meaningful. |
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I don't agree with the last sentence. I, for one, think many of the beards on today's baseball players are absolutely ridiculous looking. By your definition above, that's insulting to those who wear them. By my definition, it's personal opinion. Now if, when, and how I choose to vocalize that opinion might in fact make me ignorant or rude, I'll grant you. |
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As a POC, I think the sentiments in the letter mirror racist overtones. The question many people have is if the person is racist. How do you know that someone is racist? In my experience I have never met a racist who admitted they were racist.
I also disagree that someone who is racist can't say something positive about said race they are insulting. If that was the case there would not be so many racist football fans. Not to pick on the SEC, but do you think all those fans cheering for their teams want the black athletes to fail? I am glad that the discussion on this though, is discussed in a mature matter, with each person bringing there own perspective to the conversation. I wish political debates were like this. Maybe one day this is what it might look like. |
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People are free to say whatever they want that is not libel/slander. Weather or not they should say it is a matter of personal opinion. Either way, you can't and should not expect someone not to say something they believe that is not libel/slander. Free country and such.
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I'd be OK with a letter recommending the player to dress and behave the certain way, but the part insulting other ways are obviously racist. It's perfectly OK for you to think some looks are ridiculous. It's OK to say things like, "Tacos disgust me personally, and my personal taste just can't stand it." It's not OK to then insist others can't eat taco because it disgust you. The former is personal feeling, and the latter is racist.
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It indeed happens all the time and done by ignorant people. If you know about it and still insist it's not racism so you can give yourself an excuse to do that, then you are a racist.
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Glad you are the racism police. There is a difference between being ignorant and racist. Not liking tacos, weather said in an insensitive manner or not is neither ignorant nor racist.
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That's what's happening here. The letter started out fine urging the player to follow some kind of dress code, but it went all racist when it started talking about how different looks are disgusting.
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It can be, but it also cannot be. You can't just blanketly say anyone who has an low opinion of a style is racist. They may be racist, but it is on a case by case basis, not purely based on the opinion of style/food etc.
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The person is what's racist, not what they say. I see plenty of people of lots of different races(including white) wear pants at different levels so it's not racist to be against it in my opinion. |
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You do know old school high scale restaurants are full of people who wear gang-related clothing, right? People like to dress like mafia bosses in those restaurants. Formal western clothing is the choice of dress code for a lot of gangs around the world.
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Of course, if a person is telling only Mexicans that eating tacos is disgusting, then that's a different story. (You may infer that the letter-writer is targeting blacks for his criticism of tats, dreads, and endzone dances, but we don't know that; he may also be speaking/writing to anyone on the Nittany Lions who fits those descriptions.) I'll just re-state that in the case of the letter-writer, he may very well be racist. I'm just saying that a) we don't know enough about him from this particular letter to conclude that he's racist; his feelings on tats & dreads and endzone displays may come from something else that is neither racist nor ignorant, and b) the quick judgement of some to pronounce him a racist is indicative of current culture - reflected in this thread - that is way to quick, perhaps eager, to pronounce racism as the motive for... whatever; and, sadly, that phenomenon cheapens actual racist actions that actually effect/harm people. |
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That's not racist because veganism isn't related to race and isn't really a full culture. It's still have the same problem though and that's why veganism are often viewed negatively by people who don't practice that.
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Of course I meant low end gang related, not high end gang related.
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I am specifically stating that people can have racist acts unintentionally. This happens all the time, and the reason we need to point it out is because racism hurts regardless of motivation. There is no cheapening of the hurt by saying that. On the other hand, if we require proof of motivation to label something racism, you are effectively telling racists to stay racist as long as they pretend they aren't doing anything intentionally. You are basically tolerating harmful behaviors. We punish unintentional harm much less severely comparing to intentional harm, but we punish that still.
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And you determine what's high end by your culture prejudice? You mean you are a racist?
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