Changing coaches during the season

jdw31158 · 03-10-2020, 01:48 PM

Does changing hitting or pitching coaches during the season make any difference? Like getting a new hitting coach in early May when the superstar right fielder you just signed to an 8 year extension is hitting .175 with fewer than 10 RBI's. Just wondering if anybody ever noticed any difference when shaking up your coaching staff during the season.

mitchkenn · 03-10-2020, 04:19 PM

i've done it a couple of times. it actually seemed to help a little. i guess it depends if the new guy coming in has a very good or excellent reputation, replacing some with lesser ratings.

Dyzalot · 03-10-2020, 04:27 PM

Wouldn't this be the same hitting coach he had before when he became a superstar? Or did you just sign a new one in the offseason?

ALB123 · 03-12-2020, 03:20 AM

I was just about to post ask the same question the OP did. Right now, I am sitting in second place, a game and a half behind the Red Sox, in the AL East Division circa 1984 (May 28th). Normally, that would be great. Certainly, nothing to complain about, right?

The issue is my team hitting. It is atrocious. My pitching, however, is lights out. Well, sort of. I win so many games 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, 2-0, etc... But, a win is a win is a win. Here are my team statistics.

And here are my individual batting stats.

So, I was wondering if a new hitting coach might be helpful in mixing things up. Could I possibly make things worse? (Team Batting was great the previous 2 seasons).

CBeisbol · 03-12-2020, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ALB123

I was just about to post ask the same question the OP did. Right now, I am sitting in second place, a game and a half behind the Red Sox, in the AL East Division circa 1984 (May 28th). Normally, that would be great. Certainly, nothing to complain about, right?

The issue is my team hitting. It is atrocious. My pitching, however, is lights out. Well, sort of. I win so many games 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, 2-0, etc... But, a win is a win is a win. Here are my team statistics.

And here are my individual batting stats.

So, I was wondering if a new hitting coach might be helpful in mixing things up. Could I possibly make things worse? (Team Batting was great the previous 2 seasons).

If you believe that coaches make a difference then, yes, of course you could make things worse.

Don't have nearly enough information from you, but, If you believe your team is underperforming, then two things are likely
1) if you change coaches, your hitting will improve
2) if you keep the same coach, your hitting will improve.

I have no idea if there's something within the game that would cause a previously successful coach to become unsuccessful.

Curve Ball Dave · 03-12-2020, 08:14 AM

I've made coaching changes during the season, including firing the manager, and the team improved as a result. When the coaches are incompatible with the players and performance suffers, someone has to go.

CBeisbol · 03-12-2020, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

I've made coaching changes during the season, including firing the manager, and the team improved as a result.

But, what a lot of people don't understand, or don't think about, is that any team that starts slowly, is more likely to get better than they are to get worse or stay the same.

The team probably would have gotten better with the same coach.

Just like any batter who starts the season 1 for 20 is likely to hit better than that in their next 20 at bats.

Curve Ball Dave · 03-12-2020, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CBeisbol

But, what a lot of people don't understand, or don't think about, is that any team that starts slowly, is more likely to get better than they are to get worse or stay the same.

The team probably would have gotten better with the same coach.

Just like any batter who starts the season 1 for 20 is likely to hit better than that in their next 20 at bats.

Or the batter can stay in a slump because he isn't good any more. One can only have so much patience with underperformance and at some point you have to pull the trigger. There are times when the coaches are not the right fit for the personnel, performance lacks, and it's time for a change.

CBeisbol · 03-12-2020, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

Or the batter can stay in a slump because he isn't good any more.

That's not a slump

That's a change in talent. So, there's no expectation he'll get better.

If Mike Trout goes 0-20, then buys a new pair of underwear and goes 6-20, there's no reason to think it's because of the underwear and not just because you'd expect Trout to go 6-20.

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One can only have so much patience with underperformance and at some point you have to pull the trigger.

Only if it's the right trigger

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There are times when the coaches are not the right fit for the personnel, performance lacks, and it's time for a change.

If the coach is the problem then, yes, change them.

03-10-2020, 01:48 PM	#1
jdw31158 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 163	Changing coaches during the season Does changing hitting or pitching coaches during the season make any difference? Like getting a new hitting coach in early May when the superstar right fielder you just signed to an 8 year extension is hitting .175 with fewer than 10 RBI's. Just wondering if anybody ever noticed any difference when shaking up your coaching staff during the season.

03-10-2020, 04:19 PM	#2
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,853	i've done it a couple of times. it actually seemed to help a little. i guess it depends if the new guy coming in has a very good or excellent reputation, replacing some with lesser ratings. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

03-12-2020, 08:14 AM	#6
Curve Ball Dave Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,271	I've made coaching changes during the season, including firing the manager, and the team improved as a result. When the coaches are incompatible with the players and performance suffers, someone has to go. __________________ "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing"-Warren Spahn.

03-10-2020, 04:27 PM	#3
Dyzalot All Star Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,735	Wouldn't this be the same hitting coach he had before when he became a superstar? Or did you just sign a new one in the offseason?

03-12-2020, 03:20 AM	#4
ALB123 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 638	I was just about to post ask the same question the OP did. Right now, I am sitting in second place, a game and a half behind the Red Sox, in the AL East Division circa 1984 (May 28th). Normally, that would be great. Certainly, nothing to complain about, right? The issue is my team hitting. It is atrocious. My pitching, however, is lights out. Well, sort of. I win so many games 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, 2-0, etc... But, a win is a win is a win. Here are my team statistics. And here are my individual batting stats. So, I was wondering if a new hitting coach might be helpful in mixing things up. Could I possibly make things worse? (Team Batting was great the previous 2 seasons).