Is Craig Allen a HOFer?

The Game · 05-09-2016, 03:35 PM

To me I say yes easily. Comparable to Smoltz minus the 3000 K. Hits are on the high side.

The Game · 05-09-2016, 03:35 PM

forgot to post as a poll.

Hammercraft · 05-09-2016, 03:41 PM

I would say yes. Aside from accumulating 70+ WAR as a pitcher, I'm a firm believer that the Hall of Fame is a group whose membership represents a relationship between the players and the fans. He played 22 years (14 of them with one team), and was a 9-time all-star. You couldn't have a HoF without him imo.

ihatenames · 05-09-2016, 03:48 PM

i would vote for him. However, I see him as a fringe guy whom I wouldn't cry about if he never made it in. He had a pretty unique career and was on the whole significantly better than his peers based on ERA+.

Padreman · 05-09-2016, 03:57 PM

Maybe in the Italian league but not in the majors

r0nster · 05-09-2016, 03:58 PM

NOT even a honorable mention he would be lucky to even get 10% of the vote

jldante56 · 05-09-2016, 04:24 PM

Yes, but not first ballot.

dmacgreg37 · 05-09-2016, 04:39 PM

Dude would've been SO pissed after his 40 y/o season when he was dominant as a SP and then moved to the CL role.

VARoadstter · 05-09-2016, 04:54 PM

According to your league's HoF standard measures, he is short across the board. Given that, I'd have to lean towards no.

r0nster · 05-09-2016, 04:56 PM

Thinking he was a clone of John smoltz... he isn't in the HOF

jpeters1734 · 05-09-2016, 05:04 PM

Not a chance. The dude have but 346 starts and his low strikeout rate suggests he was helped by terrific defense.

bwburke94 · 05-09-2016, 05:13 PM

So what does Craig Allen have to do with Allen Craig?

jpeters1734 · 05-09-2016, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

So what does Craig Allen have to do with Allen Craig?

LOL, I thought the same thing!

Hammercraft · 05-09-2016, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Not a chance. The dude have but 346 starts and his low strikeout rate suggests he was helped by terrific defense.

Possibly, but he also did a really good job of keeping the ball in the park - low opposing HR totals. Looks like he threw a lot of hard-to-hit junk for many years.

r0nster · 05-09-2016, 07:30 PM

Frankly I am surprised at the HOF metrics for this guy. Standards must be low to even rank him this well

The Game · 05-09-2016, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

Frankly I am surprised at the HOF metrics for this guy. Standards must be low to even rank him this well

He seems t o be ranked as a CL. There is only one CL in the HOF so far.

r0nster · 05-09-2016, 09:21 PM

His stats doesn't show he was a dominating force or tops of his time. In my perspectives the HOF is reserved for the best of the best not of the decent to good players.

hillm2ca · 05-09-2016, 09:38 PM

I am going to say "no" on this one. As a starter turned closer, he had a slightly (emphasis on "slightly) similar career trajectory as Dennis Eckersley but "Eck" had 390 career saves and was incredibly dominant over several seasons. Allen, on the other hand, had some good years as a starter and briefly exceptional numbers as a reliever. I think the more interesting question is why was he converted to a closer a season after winning 20 games while leading the league in ERA?

The Wolf · 05-09-2016, 09:42 PM

If you have to ask if somebody belongs in the Hall of Fame or not, then they don't belong in the Hall of Fame.

The Game · 05-09-2016, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hillm2ca

I am going to say "no" on this one. As a starter turned closer, he had a slightly (emphasis on "slightly) similar career trajectory as Dennis Eckersley but "Eck" had 390 career saves and was incredibly dominant over several seasons. Allen, on the other hand, had some good years as a starter and briefly exceptional numbers as a reliever. I think the more interesting question is why was he converted to a closer a season after winning 20 games while leading the league in ERA?

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ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,535	i would vote for him. However, I see him as a fringe guy whom I wouldn't cry about if he never made it in. He had a pretty unique career and was on the whole significantly better than his peers based on ERA+. __________________ New Album coming soon!

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Hammercraft All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 729	I would say yes. Aside from accumulating 70+ WAR as a pitcher, I'm a firm believer that the Hall of Fame is a group whose membership represents a relationship between the players and the fans. He played 22 years (14 of them with one team), and was a 9-time all-star. You couldn't have a HoF without him imo.

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r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	NOT even a honorable mention he would be lucky to even get 10% of the vote

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jldante56 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 361	Yes, but not first ballot.

05-09-2016, 04:39 PM	#8
dmacgreg37 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 488	Dude would've been SO pissed after his 40 y/o season when he was dominant as a SP and then moved to the CL role.

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VARoadstter Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 211	According to your league's HoF standard measures, he is short across the board. Given that, I'd have to lean towards no.

05-09-2016, 04:56 PM	#10
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	Thinking he was a clone of John smoltz... he isn't in the HOF

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jpeters1734 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Juust a bit outside... Posts: 5,617	Not a chance. The dude have but 346 starts and his low strikeout rate suggests he was helped by terrific defense. __________________ "Cannonball Coming!" Go Bucs!! Founder and League Caretaker of the Professional Baseball Circuit, www.probaseballcircuit.com An Un-Official Guide to Minor League Management in OOTP 21 Ratings Scale Conversion Cross-Reference Cheat Sheet

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bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,443	So what does Craig Allen have to do with Allen Craig?

05-09-2016, 07:30 PM	#15
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	Frankly I am surprised at the HOF metrics for this guy. Standards must be low to even rank him this well

05-09-2016, 09:21 PM	#17
r0nster Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,002	His stats doesn't show he was a dominating force or tops of his time. In my perspectives the HOF is reserved for the best of the best not of the decent to good players.

05-09-2016, 09:38 PM	#18
hillm2ca Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 286	I am going to say "no" on this one. As a starter turned closer, he had a slightly (emphasis on "slightly) similar career trajectory as Dennis Eckersley but "Eck" had 390 career saves and was incredibly dominant over several seasons. Allen, on the other hand, had some good years as a starter and briefly exceptional numbers as a reliever. I think the more interesting question is why was he converted to a closer a season after winning 20 games while leading the league in ERA? Last edited by hillm2ca; 05-09-2016 at 09:40 PM.