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03-20-2017, 06:14 AM | #1 |
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Negro Leagues database issues thread
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Please post any issues with the Negro Leagues db's here. Players importing multiple times, not importing, crazy ratings, wrong stats or other stuff like this. Spritze and Bigrod will do their best to respond and to fix and issues. Thanks for your help in making OOTP better! Markus
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03-22-2017, 01:04 AM | #2 |
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Temporary players; reserve player in the starting lineup
I've started three different historical replay games with different years of Negro Leagues: 1920, 1921, 1941. In all of them, the AI uses temporary players ("Jim Unknown") as substitutes quite often, even when there are enough real players available on the active roster and in the lineups and depth charts.
Also, I found one player (Jim Brown, 1920 Chicago American Giants) somehow in the starting lineup while he was on the reserve roster. The active roster already had two healthy catchers. The box scores recorded Brown batting more than 600 times per game. The stats on his player card appeared to be normal. |
03-22-2017, 04:17 AM | #3 | |
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03-22-2017, 08:26 PM | #4 |
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Ok I found it
League Settings>Rules - check box under Minor League Settings (when MLB is the active screen). Odd that it was checked as the default setting, and that the "ghosts" were often the first subs in a game. But unchecking made them go away, so I'm fine. Thanks ghostbuster! |
03-23-2017, 03:35 PM | #5 |
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Bill Foster and Willie Foster- Same player on Chicago American Giants
Imported a season in 1930 and have both Bill Foster and Willie 'Bill' Foster on the Chicago American Giants. Same player in real life and appears to be the same player in the game as well, same career statistics starting in 1923.
Chet Brewer of the Monarchs imported at 57 years of age, was born January 14, 1907. Which Frank Duncan is in the database? There are two historical Frank Duncan's, Sr. and Jr. Kansas City has a player that doesn't appear to match to either of them. Frank Duncan Sr was born in 1888, Frank Duncan Jr was born February 14, 1901. In 1930, the Frank Duncan listed shows 1885 as his birth date and 45 years old with a career beginning in 1921. Looks like the 2 are kind of co-mingled. Ben Taylor was born July 1, 1888, not July 1, 1887. Rube Foster imports with 5 years of history pitching for the Boston Red Sox
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03-24-2017, 03:51 AM | #8 | |
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De-mingled semi-successfully but Jr was born when Sr was 12?
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03-24-2017, 01:44 PM | #9 |
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Nicknames
Would nicknames be something you'd like to add? I have a database of about 1,500 Negro League players that includes nicknames, date of birth/cit of birth if I could find it, positions, ratings, etc. I think I may have sent it to Markus, but a long time ago, like 2005 or so maybe!
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03-24-2017, 01:54 PM | #10 |
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Thanks, wasn't sure since the Rube Foster that shows up isn't listed on a team and the MLB Rube Foster who pitched for the Red Sox ended his career in 1917.
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03-24-2017, 02:53 PM | #12 |
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Thanks, on it's way. List is about 500 players that had nicknames. There may be others that the nickname was used as the first name so I will send those along as I come across them. Not all of them may have played in the Negro National League. Any other way I can help, just let me know, I've been at this since the mid 80's compiling Negro League info so willing to help.
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03-24-2017, 04:11 PM | #13 |
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Jeepers, it gets even stranger with the Duncan! I had to blow the dust off a few books but from what I can see there were FOUR of them according to Riley.
Frank "Dunk" Duncan- born in 1888 was not related to the other 3 and played from 1909 to 1928. He was an outfielder who played for a number of teams, including the Philadelphia Giants, Leland Giants, Chicago American Giants (11-18), Detroit Stars (19) and Chicago Giants (in the database in 1920) and a number of other teams. Frank Duncan Sr- Father of Junior and the III, he was the catcher that played and managed for a number of years during the 1890's and early 00's. Frank Duncan Jr- born February 14, 1901 in Kansas City, Mo. He was the star catcher of the KC Monarchs and a number of other teams during the 20's through 40's. Frank Duncan III- Son of Jr, played for KC during the 40's along with the Baltimore Elite Giants and some time in the MLB minors and the Mexican League in '57.
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I can't seem to import Ray Brown (the Hall of Fame pitcher). I tried using his bb-ref ID (brown-003ray), but all I could get were his minor league stats -- no NeL stats at all. I also tried importing using the old Spritze ID (brownra00), but got nothing. I wound up importing him from the Spritze17 database instead.
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04-03-2017, 03:12 PM | #16 |
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Here is the official in game ID list.
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Thanks for this. I see Brown is listed on this file as brown-ray006, an ID which is assigned to an entirely different NeL player named Ray Brown at bb-ref. Seamheads only lists one Ray Brown, though. That does lead to the question of who, then, is brown-ray003 on the database? Do these two players need to be combined?
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04-03-2017, 03:56 PM | #18 |
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There are 9 Ray Browns in the database
Of the two you are referencing one is white and one is black and they were born 9 years apart so unless one crawled back into the womb at 9 years of age and changed color while he was in there I'd surmise they might be 2 different people. BB-ref ID's are not used in most cases, neither are Seamheads nor Spritzes. OOTP uses its own ID's. Hence the list. The next version of the Spritze db will match the OOTP IDs.
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