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I was thinking more about the three Bryant kids who lost their dad than about the one kid who lost her life. And the wife who now has three kids to raise without her husband. That seems more tragic to me than a thirteen-year-old's death.
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This helicopter was daytime VFR..not designed to fly unless visibility and cloud bases met certain criteria. Not sure that this was a safe flight, weather wise. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pQfgi9ZqU
This is the actual radar recording of the flight, along with the weather data. At the fifty second mark, KBUR (Burbank) weather observation had 2.5 miles visibility, with cloud bases at eleven hundred feet, overcast. This is the valley floor. The location the helicopter crashed at was several hundred feet above the valley floor. The marine layer, at 1100 feet, was almost certainly at the hilltops. A cloud on a hilltop is fog. Visibility was zip when the helo smashed into the hill. The Sikorsky has a service ceiling of 13,500 feet. The pilot should have gone directly up, and got on top of the weather. Part of the issue is that this is controlled airspace, with multiple major airports. He may not have had clearance to go very high...depends on a number of factors. I'll look some more..try to get elevation data, but it absolutely looks to me that he did NOT have VFR (visual flight rules) weather conditions. The youtube video link I posted specifically mentions aircraft going around, and trying a second approach into the airport, and the local air traffic controller requested Bryant's pilot to circle until the pattern cleared out. |
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Burbank elevation 600 feet, Calabasas elevation 950 feet, and the helo crashed on the hillside above the down..it looked like several hundred feet above.
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I may have to listen again as this is from memory, but from the audio it sounds like he was told to maintain 1,500 feet due to traffic before being released from flight following after he was asked and claimed to the controller he had VFR conditions. At that point the controller asked if he wanted flight following to his destination (I assume) and he never answered.
I’ll listen again when I’m able. Thanks for the insight on the weather conditions. VFR does seem dubious based on what you have said.
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From what I'm hearing the LAPD's air support division grounded its helicopters until later that afternoon due to fog. They think it was a weather related crash. Going by the stretched out debris field it appears the copter was going very fast on impact, around 160mph.
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When the Smithsonian Channel had "Air Disasters" I used to ask myself "who watches this?" Now I know.
What I'm reading from you guys is the theory that the pilot couldn't see, flew too low, and crashed into a hill.
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Man. Brutal. Feel for everyone involved. I thought the Mamba would outlive me.
This was so wide reaching that even kids on the 2nd grade playground were talking about it this morning. I walked past 3 separate conversations about it. Trying to think of the last shocking-too-early big name athlete death. Arthur Ashe we all saw coming. Has to be Clemente?
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The pilot, when faced with rough terrain, and fog/stratus severely restricting forward visibility, should have stopped, and went vertical. You're not going to crash into anything if you are going straight up. He could have then gotten his bearings, or went back the way he came. |
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Stories like this are why, although I grouse occasionally about the inequity of wealth and how immense amounts of money are attracted to and hoarded by a handful of individuals, I am never actually envious of those people.
Once you have accumulated enough to be comfortable, money surely does not buy any more happiness. Excessive amounts are wasted (unless you consider heirs and charities) and may even lead to one's demise one way or the other. Such as leasing a "limousine-like" helicopter but trusting the wrong pilot or mechanic. He was a great ballplayer, a good man, and a doting father, from what I have seen in media, so I mourn him and especially his daughter (not to slight the other folks on that chopper, who barely get mentioned). But I never did envy Kobe Bryant.
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