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OOTP 15 - General Discussions Discuss the new 2014 version of Out of the Park Baseball here! |
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04-11-2014, 05:34 AM | #41 | |
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If we grew up with Football/soccer like you guys did...going to large packed stadiums and being able to see games on the TV....I'm sure we'd be just as rabid about the sport as you guys are. That really only exists for the NFL and College Football, MLB here though. For example, I live about 20 miles from Atlanta, GA...and just googled professional soccer in Georgia to see where I could go if I wanted to catch some professional soccer. To my surprise it appears we have something called the Atlanta Silverbacks! "Atlanta Silverbacks is an American professional soccer club based in Atlanta, Georgia, United States. Founded in 1998, the club plays in the North American Soccer League (NASL), the second tier of the American Soccer Pyramid. The team plays its home games at Atlanta Silverbacks Park, a large soccer complex featuring a 5,000-seat soccer-specific stadium in Atlanta, Georgia, 15 miles northeast of downtown. The team's colors are red, black, grey, and white." I've lived here for almost 8 years didn't knew they existed until 30 seconds ago.... |
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04-11-2014, 05:56 AM | #42 |
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It's a pityful shame but sometimes I get an impression that еhere in Ukraine there is no other sport than soccer. Even basketball (that is on second place) is very poor. And I say nothing about the condition of basketball arenas... That's why here only fews will be interested in some American sport called baseball.
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04-13-2014, 08:33 AM | #43 | |
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04-13-2014, 09:51 AM | #44 |
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No, soccer is a very dull sport to watch. Maybe because I grew up watching and playing the fastest field sport in the world but soccer is so slow and nothing happens.
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04-13-2014, 10:33 AM | #45 | |
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04-13-2014, 11:32 AM | #46 |
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This endless discussion of Soccer(Football) versus Baseball versus Football(Soccer) versus Basketball is sometimes maddening. All three are worthy sports and different people prefer one over the other based on their own experiences and interests. I like baseball mostly because it is a statistics game, and I like math. I have the least interest in Soccer only becasue I've had very little exposure in my life to it. I am absolutely sure if I had been born in Brazil or Italy (for example) Soccer would likely be my first love.
And the discussion about the OOTP business model is just as Maddening. Although comparing OOTP to FM points out some major differences, it does not define whether EITHER is a good, bad, or better game. The enjoyment of a game is based on the player that plays it. For you, FM might be the greatest game in the world, and for me OOTP is. Trying to define why I'm right and you are wrong is a useless endeavor - just like arguing politics I'm glad Markus simply stated he loves what he does and is proud of it. Enough said. |
04-13-2014, 12:18 PM | #47 |
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I cannot say that I'd have done OOTP differently; I can say comfortably that I could not have done it at all. The growth of games and companies is an organic thing. This game has been 'alive' nearly as long as some of my employees. And every year I am consistently impressed with the quality of the game. Perhaps moreso, I am impressed by the focus on integrity that Markus and co. demonstrate every version.
I've bought many sims and many times found that these games offer features well in excess of what they can execute. The features are really neat, but the game itself is so easy to exploit that it has stopped being a simulation, and started being a... for lack of a better way of saying it, a slightly masturbatory platform for unrealistic winning and domination. Baseball Manager, Head Coach, Madden (yes, Madden doesn't sell itself as a simulation, just bear with me)... For me at least, the ability to butcher the computer wholesale is less appealing than having a game that successfully models the sport it purports to. So for me, that OOTP spends every year focused on staying true to its number one goal, being an accurate and realistic baseball management sim, is exactly what I'm looking for. Every iteration is an improvement. To look Markus in the metaphorical face and say "yes, every version is better, but I want it to be better in my way, and not yours" is to totally miss the point. A game of this kind, that is this good... We are fortunate it even exists. To be anything other than respectfully grateful is to miss the chance to appreciate how blessed a situation we find ourselves in. Things could always be better. But to focus on that means that you've missed out on the chance to be happy by realizing just how good they already are. |
04-13-2014, 05:24 PM | #48 |
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It's really weird how everyone's arguing that their sport is 'better'. Reminds me of console wars. None of you are right or wrong ya know.
It's not really ignorance to think one is better than the other. It's just exposure, and I personally like all sports equally (except circle track racing, because you know, it's boring driving in circles. Euro circuit racing is sooooo much better, etc etc ) And even though I like all sports and all sports games, OOTP baseball is the game which I do think has gotten it right (OOTP hockey otoh, not so much). Yeah, FM annually sells 7 million copies of the game (including me up to FM13), but the quality hasn't been great the past few years. Additions like press conferences and player interactions haven't really enhanced the experience, but it's more like a burden. I think given that OOTP is the only baseball sim on the market, it's great that Markus isn't taking the fanbase for granted and just pushing new features for the sake of pushing new features, which is what I think SI and Miles are starting to go to. You can argue whether a business model is superior than another, but at the end of the day it's Markus and OOTPD's choice to do whatever the heck they want to do. The OOTP franchise can easily go down the the FM route currently, because they have a monopoly on the baseball sim market and if you notice from other monopolies (the football sim market with FM and EA's lockdown the Madden market and the FIFA market, and TS franchise by SCEA SD) they can easily go down the SI/EA route and cut corners and give a new roster update for $50/$60 and what not, but they aren't. I think it's more refreshing that a sports gaming company values its customers with their product instead of trying to nickel and dime everything (DLC). The fact that Markus himself states how he values his customers and just not chasing the almighty Euro even though there's no other competition makes me feel at ease I'm going to keep getting good OOTP baseball games. |
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