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Perhaps you have a list or partial list of specific areas you feel need the most attention in the manual? If you do, post it here. Some people might see it and think, "oh, that's not hard, I'll add a bit to it." Maybe I'm reaching here too. It's always difficult to get volunteers, but don't give up. If you start showing some actual work done on it, people might be more inclined to help. I certainly would pitch in as time allowed me to. Hope you have success with this. |
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Yeah, this kind of illustrates the hen and egg dilemma here. It would be my next step to identify the missing/heavily outdated manual parts, but even that already is quite a bit of work and I would have prefered to have a few sign-ups before that. But given the number of replies here, at least the topic gets a lot of attention so I might go ahead with posting a small list like you suggested over the week-end. |
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One other suggestion. Around the Forums, especially the MOD Forums, are several tutorials on how to do various customization things in OOTP, such as the one written by Dreifort (hope I spelled that correctly) on editing the World XML.
I would contact the originators of these tutorials and request permission to add them to the OOTPWiki, if in fact you decide that getting the Wiki going again is the way you want to approach this. |
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One problem I see is that there are parts of a manual/wiki that only the developers like Markus and Andreas could complete. For example, someone in the community could take a stab at what we *think* is going on with all the numbers on a team's "Front Office" tab, but it always seems like there are discrepancies that the community can't reconcile, and only the developers could probably explain (e.g. numbers for budget room not adding up, next year's payroll not matching between "Finances" and Salaries", etc.)
So while the community could probably put together a pretty thorough overview of the game, the screens, the configuration options, etc., we would still need the developers to be willing to fill in some of those behind-the-scenes details. |
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Re the wiki, there is SO MUCH valuable information in these forums that it seems that some simple copying and pasting - and/or linking to certain threads (even specific posts) - could be a good way to get the wiki off and running... Just a thought...
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Given the quality of the material available on these forums, do we really need a wiki or a player-made manual? I mean, think about it.
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Well, we need something. The Wiki certainly could use some updating as well (given that even the logo is from version 12...).
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I don't know about the need for a manual, but I was thinking that the wiki would be a good way to organize the quality forum-provided material.
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And we HAVE something. And I submit that it works.
The wiki has been neglected for a reason.
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If it was more effective than these forums, would it have ever been neglected?
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I'm just going to throw my in the ring here. And let me preface this with Yes there is a lot of Info here on the forum, there are great people here willing to answer questions or let someone know who can answer their questions. There is no reason you can't read or be explained everything you need to know about the OOTP Games here on these forums the only thing that would prevent you from getting the info you need is a lack of effort by the information hungry consumer.
But that does NOT excuse OOTP as a company from producing a complete product for the consumer, and that would include a manual for what is easily the most complete, comprehensive and in-depth Baseball game on the market. Quite Frankly it is beyond my comprehension that anyone (Vet or noobie) doesn't understand that concept and why the consumer not only expects a manual but deserves one. And to you patrons that continually defend OOTP for not having one produced on a regular basis (That means updated with EVERY VERSION) because they are a small company with limited recourses or whatever reason is given is kind of embarrassing. If you people went to the store and bought a product off the shelf and the assembly manual or the instruction manual's were incomplete or missing you wouldn't be ok with that just because the company was smaller and didn't have the funds ,manpower or resources to produce the written material that is so vital to your purchase. Do I personally need a manual? NO But there obviously people who do need one and most importantly there are people who WANT one and that reason alone should be enough for OOTP to make an effort to produce one instead of coming up with excuses why there isn't one than having the OOTP Playing masses back them up for a poor business decision. That is all, now I have to go play OOTP 14 and drink my coffee, Have a great day! Rhett aka "Painmantle"
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I, for one, wasn't bashing you. I just got a chuckle from you. I say proceed with your community-manual idea. If you want to get it off the ground why don't your start with a good strong chapter and show people you are serious.
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On a personal note, I think having a up-to-date manual, or something like a Wiki is a very good idea especially for new players like myself.
While I have owned 06 and 11, I have never really been able to find my way around greatly (albeit I barely played them). Since I purchased 14 yesterday though I want to properly get into this version. While I know that a lot of things are self explanatory, and can easily be found on here, it would be good to have something where I can go straight to for help, because first experience playing the game is daunting with how in depth it is (which isn't a bad thing). For example when starting a new game, it'd be good to know what each feature does, or how you can customise the game etc so that if I do come across something on the forums and think, yeah I'd love to use that feature, I wouldn't have to start a new game then. |
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Yes. Lead off with some honest hard work.
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The forum is an excellent resource, but it's not organized like a manual, so a person needs to search for an appropriate topic, or else start a thread that may or may not be answered. If I'm playing a game and run into a problem, I want to solve that problem right now. I don't want to wait a day or two for someone to answer my question on the forum. Manuals and forums co-exist for a reason. I mean, think about it.
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I've purchased plenty of games over the years, and the manuals just keep getting less and less informative. The task of instructing players on game mechanics and strategies has gradually been handed off (either intentionally or not) to the players themselves. That has been facilitated by the development of forums, the creation of Wikis, and by gamers who produce "how to play" videos that they post on Youtube. You can say that the companies that do this are abdicating their responsibility to create a manual, or you can say that they are enhancing their product by relying on the "wisdom of the crowd." That may be a good thing or a bad thing, but it's the way things are now. It's just one aspect of the overall trend toward the democratization of information. Manuals are an example of the top-down model of information that is being supplanted by the bottom-up model pioneered by Wikipedia. Both models can co-exist, but there are a lot of advantages to the bottom-up model that OOTP hasn't fully taken advantage of. |
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