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Old 04-26-2010, 01:17 AM   #1
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1871 Minor Leagues

Will the minor leagues expand when the Major League expands? Or should no minor leagues be created along with the historical 1871 Major League?

I plan on doing AAA, AA, and A. Thoughts?
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Old 04-26-2010, 02:13 AM   #2
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If you're only using historical players you will have a tough time staffing three levels of minors. Moreover, it will be rather pointless, because most players will debut in the database when they're about ML-ready.

I would only use minors if doing a historical-fictional league, in which case it would probably be a lot of fun, although it'll take you some time to set it up.
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Old 04-26-2010, 02:27 AM   #3
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Yeah, I'll go a step further than Eck... For several years, you would hae trouble staffing even one level of minors.
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Old 04-26-2010, 03:05 AM   #4
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If you're only using historical players you will have a tough time staffing three levels of minors. Moreover, it will be rather pointless, because most players will debut in the database when they're about ML-ready.

I would only use minors if doing a historical-fictional league, in which case it would probably be a lot of fun, although it'll take you some time to set it up.
I should have clarified. That's the plan. I don't mind fictional players intermingling with historical players.
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Old 04-26-2010, 03:19 AM   #5
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I should have clarified. That's the plan. I don't mind fictional players intermingling with historical players.
Oh. Then go for it anytime I guess. The game won't do it for you though. You can do as much or as little as you want - there's a ton of information out there, some of which is helpful. Here is the list of all known minor leagues from baseball-reference.com.
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Old 04-26-2010, 12:22 PM   #6
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I have just started a historical/fiction league and had to add a huge number of plyers in order to fill our AAA roster, which is acting as a B team.
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Old 04-26-2010, 12:46 PM   #7
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Yeah, early on you'd have basically 90% fictional players and 10% historical. I would also worry that unless you got the creation modifiers exactly right, either the fictional players would eventually take over the big leagues or they'd never break into the bigs unless there weren't enough historical players (either of which may actually be what you want).
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:56 AM   #8
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Oh. Then go for it anytime I guess. The game won't do it for you though. You can do as much or as little as you want - there's a ton of information out there, some of which is helpful. Here is the list of all known minor leagues from baseball-reference.com.
Oh yeah, I've got my template set, and uniforms installed. It's all good. Can you add a league down the road though or are you stuck with what you construct to begin with? Obviously the Majors expand as history happens, but what about the minors?
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:55 PM   #9
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I think i will have the minor leagues without any affiliation to major league teams till the 1900's. I just think of them as my fictional leagues and block fictional players from making the Majors. But if i did that what would happen to players not on the active roster if a team had no minor league team.
Would they be on a reserve roster?
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Old 04-29-2010, 12:07 AM   #10
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I think i will have the minor leagues without any affiliation to major league teams till the 1900's. I just think of them as my fictional leagues and block fictional players from making the Majors. But if i did that what would happen to players not on the active roster if a team had no minor league team.
Would they be on a reserve roster?
Can you do that? Block fictional players some years and then flip the switch, if you will, and let them go into the majors?
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Old 04-29-2010, 12:42 AM   #11
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Can you do that? Block fictional players some years and then flip the switch, if you will, and let them go into the majors?
Im not sure. I thought you could block fictional players from making the majors but my concern is that if the minor league teams are not assigned to a major league team will the players not on the active roster be on the reserve roster or on a minor league team.
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I would have thought that if you create a minor league and then disaffiliate all the teams, the parent teams would wind up with neither reserve rosters nor farm teams to develop their players, but by experiment I find that's not the case, they do have reserve rosters.

So you can do this without handicapping the major clubs, but what you get is more like a foreign league than American minor leagues, in the sense that there is no interaction at all with the major leagues. You might perhaps just as well run a single historical league and a fictional league in a separate universe.

And the disaffiliated league is exceptionally, excessively stable. Minor clubs are supposed to be run by parent teams, so once they are orphaned they're really not run at all. They pick up released players but don't perform trades, either with the major clubs or each other. They don't accept players on option from the major league clubs. The major teams appear to take picks in the rule 5 draft only from other teams' farm systems, so the disaffiliated minors aren't bothered by the draft (and I did this without blocking fictional players). The rosters just remain very stable. And judging by the stats of some RL players that snuck through onto the minor league rosters, there's no significant difference in quality of play between the major teams and the nominal minors.

You can also create a fictional league as a graft on to a historical league and then downgrade it to AAA. The results seem more satisfactory, in that the teams manage their rosters in the normal way, but I found it impossible to get the AAA league to behave anything like a minor league. That may not be what you're after anyway.

As an observation, though, the game just doesn't seem able to simulate the workings of independent minor leagues, which for the most part, although they were not subsidiary farm teams, nevertheless lived by developing young players and then selling them for cash at a profit. Even when they didn't want to sell players, they were usually subject to a draft that compelled them to. No cash sales = no independent minors.
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Actually i think that would work for me. I dont really crare if the minor leagues act exactly like the minor leagues in the 19th century. I dont think the minor leagues were the same back then as they are today anyway and
i doubt any major team was using them that much as a farm team, Although from what ive read there was something like it but i dont remember exactly and will have to reread that chapet in the book im reading.
Anyways thanks for the info and thats really what i want. When i get to the 1900's then i want the minor leagues to act like minor leagues.
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Ah... interesting. I'm not necessarily looking for historical accuracy. I don't mind having ahistorical affiliated minor league teams. The system is quite flexible though, which is good to know.

The idea I like is to play from 1871 or from some point up until 1901 and have it setup like it would be in later years to provide a similar system throughout the years which includes at the very least all the Negro league players. I don't mike Asians players either, so they can play too. I just want a continuity in structure from beginning to the end. Replaying the major leagues exactly as was doesn't interest me as much unless it's in shorter time frame, like a certain player's or manager's career, etc.

Thanks for the knowledge.
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Ah... interesting. I'm not necessarily looking for historical accuracy. I don't mind having ahistorical affiliated minor league teams. The system is quite flexible though, which is good to know.

The idea I like is to play from 1871 or from some point up until 1901 and have it setup like it would be in later years to provide a similar system throughout the years which includes at the very least all the Negro league players. I don't mike Asians players either, so they can play too. I just want a continuity in structure from beginning to the end. Replaying the major leagues exactly as was doesn't interest me as much unless it's in shorter time frame, like a certain player's or manager's career, etc.

Thanks for the knowledge.

Sorry bout deleting (my reply), but after 3 or 4 edits, i'd completely lost my train of thought and was rambling (rather then the 10 word reply I started with!)and none of my original (and forgotten) comment was left.
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Sorry bout deleting (my reply), but after 3 or 4 edits, i'd completely lost my train of thought and was rambling (rather then the 10 word reply I started with!)and none of my original (and forgotten) comment was left.
No worries. I was able to read part of your post.
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