Can we talk to our players and coaches?

joejccva71 · 02-05-2018, 08:02 PM

Coaching them up, discussing future roles, and other things. More interaction with players and coaches would be nice and add immersion.

MrBojangles · 02-05-2018, 09:35 PM

I thought I was too invested in my players. I don't try to talk to them though... They're only imaginary computer creations...

msupoke · 02-05-2018, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBojangles

I thought I was too invested in my players. I don't try to talk to them though... They're only imaginary computer creations...

Right. Talking to them would be crazy, or at least that is what they told me.

RchW · 02-05-2018, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBojangles

I thought I was too invested in my players. I don't try to talk to them though... They're only imaginary computer creations...

Too much like real work IMO.

Jerry Helper · 02-05-2018, 09:49 PM

I spend way too much time as it is looking at their leadership and greed qualities, while trying to figure out why they're angry. That's enough for me

msupoke · 02-05-2018, 10:57 PM

If they eventually add female players, this suggestion will die a quick death.

joejccva71 · 02-06-2018, 08:35 AM

Why is having interaction with players a bad idea?

Mr. Marlin · 02-06-2018, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by msupoke

If they eventually add female players, this suggestion will die a quick death.

I spit coffee all over my screen when I read this!

Mr. Marlin · 02-06-2018, 09:10 AM

I don't know about players but I do think interacting with the Manager (if you are the GM) or the coaches (if you are the Manager) does offer some interesting and low cost opportunities to increase the immersion into the game.

For example if a certain player is causing clubhouse chemistry problems as a GM I might ask the Manager to to talk to that player. Perhaps, depending on the manager's skill the problem will get better or worse as a in-game consequence. As a Manager I might ask my Pitching Coach to work with a pitcher to develop a new pitch or improve an existing one with the in-game consequence that depending on the pitcher's work ethic or intelligence the pitch improves. Perhaps the rest of the staff takes a small performance penalty because the PC is focusing on one guy. If I'm playing as the manager it would be nice to ask the GM to aquire a player to fill a deficiency.

These are just some examples. It would be unusual I think for a GM to interact with players like that. But GMs and Managers and their coaches interact literally everyday. I think that would be easy to implement and really add to immersion in the game for the player.

joejccva71 · 02-06-2018, 09:12 AM

Hmm, sorry I thought it was a legitimate idea to help improve immersion and a deeper experience. Right now as it is players could be unhappy, but there isn't anything you can do about it because there are no team talks, player interactions or anything like that.

So instead of taking what I said seriously, people are trolling? Is this the community?

MrMarlin: I created my post before you created your last one. Thank you for the response.

Calvert98 · 02-06-2018, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Marlin

I don't know about players but I do think interacting with the Manager (if you are the GM) or the coaches (if you are the Manager) does offer some interesting and low cost opportunities to increase the immersion into the game.

For example if a certain player is causing clubhouse chemistry problems as a GM I might ask the Manager to to talk to that player. Perhaps, depending on the manager's skill the problem will get better or worse as a in-game consequence. As a Manager I might ask my Pitching Coach to work with a pitcher to develop a new pitch or improve an existing one with the in-game consequence that depending on the pitcher's work ethic or intelligence the pitch improves. Perhaps the rest of the staff takes a small performance penalty because the PC is focusing on one guy. If I'm playing as the manager it would be nice to ask the GM to aquire a player to fill a deficiency.

These are just some examples. It would be unusual I think for a GM to interact with players like that. But GMs and Managers and their coaches interact literally everyday. I think that would be easy to implement and really add to immersion in the game for the player.

This is an interesting idea. Reminds me of Wash's impact on Hatty when he was put on First Base.

The flip-side is that game likely already accounts for this under-the-hood based on the skill-set of the coaches and player attributes.

So, the flip-side in game terms if such a thing is added is that folks playing the game may feel/or think that "Why? Of course the coach would have talked with him" or "I didn't talk to him so nothing happened? That's unrealistic..." etc...I guess that's the risk anytime you add something like this.

joejccva71 · 02-06-2018, 11:04 AM

Also, the GM and/or Manager should also talk to the media after a game, answer some questions, etc. It would make the game feel more alive and immersive as well. Would be a great touch.

zappa1 · 02-06-2018, 11:56 AM

" If I'm playing as the manager it would be nice to ask the GM to aquire a player to fill a deficiency".

I mentioned this very thing last year and all I got was ridiculed and poo pooed for it. Now, I keep my suggestions to myself. It's not worth it. Just as long as they don't make me go online to play the game.

joejccva71 · 02-06-2018, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zappa1

" If I'm playing as the manager it would be nice to ask the GM to aquire a player to fill a deficiency".

I mentioned this very thing last year and all I got was ridiculed and poo pooed for it. Now, I keep my suggestions to myself. It's not worth it. Just as long as they don't make me go online to play the game.

That's a great idea too!

Calvert98 · 02-06-2018, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by zappa1

" If I'm playing as the manager it would be nice to ask the GM to aquire a player to fill a deficiency".

I mentioned this very thing last year and all I got was ridiculed and poo pooed for it. Now, I keep my suggestions to myself. It's not worth it. Just as long as they don't make me go online to play the game.

That's something that playing in manager-mode, could work and make a lot of sense.

Not sure why folks would ridicule someone for making such suggestion. I have found that these boards are an easy place to kick-back and talk about the game and such. Anyway, hopefully that was just blip and won't happen again, or at least often again.

RchW · 02-06-2018, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by joejccva71

Hmm, sorry I thought it was a legitimate idea to help improve immersion and a deeper experience. Right now as it is players could be unhappy, but there isn't anything you can do about it because there are no team talks, player interactions or anything like that.

So instead of taking what I said seriously, people are trolling? Is this the community?

MrMarlin: I created my post before you created your last one. Thank you for the response.

Since when is disagreement trolling? Some people are way too sensitive methinks.

DKimb · 02-06-2018, 01:24 PM

This doesn't seem crazy to me - there are plenty of instances where a player wants to be put in the middle of the lineup but my Manager won't do it. I wish there were some way short of firing the manager for there to be some give in that back and forth.

Shake Appeal · 02-06-2018, 01:47 PM

This is one of the more charming aspects of Football Manager, but it's also become stilted and repetitive over the years, and I think on balance it becomes a nuisance and causes knock-on problems.

What I would like to see, rather than actual conversations, is being able to give more detailed instructions to your players and coaches. Trying to get certain players to work on certain aspects of their game, or recommend a pitcher try adding a changeup. Or negotiating with the manager over lineups if you're playing as a GM only.

That kinda stuff.

Mr. Marlin · 02-06-2018, 01:59 PM

Interacting with the media seems like a non-starter to me. It might be ok at first but there really is just nowhere for that to go. We've all seen plenty of sports interviews and I'm sure everyone has seen a pretty predictable pattern. It would become tedious.

Interacting with team staff however has real potential IMO. Especially if the interaction leads to an actual in-game outcome good or bad based on the skills of the manager/coach/player involved. Those skills should count for a lot since you pay more for them. Ask a hitting coach with poor coaching skills to help a slumping player and maybe that player will get a little worse.

There are many possibilities. Whatever outcome it should be small. A small bonus, a small penalty. Even the best coaches and managers are only good for a 3-4% bump.

msupoke · 02-06-2018, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by joejccva71

Hmm, sorry I thought it was a legitimate idea to help improve immersion and a deeper experience. Right now as it is players could be unhappy, but there isn't anything you can do about it because there are no team talks, player interactions or anything like that.

So instead of taking what I said seriously, people are trolling? Is this the community?

MrMarlin: I created my post before you created your last one. Thank you for the response.

It is a legitimate idea, and it is one that is overdue. I do like a good trolling, though.

02-05-2018, 08:02 PM	#1
joejccva71 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 101	Can we talk to our players and coaches? Coaching them up, discussing future roles, and other things. More interaction with players and coaches would be nice and add immersion.

02-05-2018, 10:57 PM	#6
msupoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 621	If they eventually add female players, this suggestion will die a quick death. __________________

02-06-2018, 09:12 AM	#10
joejccva71 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 101	Hmm, sorry I thought it was a legitimate idea to help improve immersion and a deeper experience. Right now as it is players could be unhappy, but there isn't anything you can do about it because there are no team talks, player interactions or anything like that. So instead of taking what I said seriously, people are trolling? Is this the community? MrMarlin: I created my post before you created your last one. Thank you for the response. Last edited by joejccva71; 02-06-2018 at 09:15 AM.

02-05-2018, 09:35 PM	#2
MrBojangles All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: low and inside Posts: 568	I thought I was too invested in my players. I don't try to talk to them though... They're only imaginary computer creations...

02-05-2018, 09:49 PM	#5
Jerry Helper Major Leagues Join Date: May 2017 Location: Dallas Posts: 325	I spend way too much time as it is looking at their leadership and greed qualities, while trying to figure out why they're angry. That's enough for me

02-06-2018, 08:35 AM	#7
joejccva71 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 101	Why is having interaction with players a bad idea?

02-06-2018, 09:10 AM	#9
Mr. Marlin All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,245	I don't know about players but I do think interacting with the Manager (if you are the GM) or the coaches (if you are the Manager) does offer some interesting and low cost opportunities to increase the immersion into the game. For example if a certain player is causing clubhouse chemistry problems as a GM I might ask the Manager to to talk to that player. Perhaps, depending on the manager's skill the problem will get better or worse as a in-game consequence. As a Manager I might ask my Pitching Coach to work with a pitcher to develop a new pitch or improve an existing one with the in-game consequence that depending on the pitcher's work ethic or intelligence the pitch improves. Perhaps the rest of the staff takes a small performance penalty because the PC is focusing on one guy. If I'm playing as the manager it would be nice to ask the GM to aquire a player to fill a deficiency. These are just some examples. It would be unusual I think for a GM to interact with players like that. But GMs and Managers and their coaches interact literally everyday. I think that would be easy to implement and really add to immersion in the game for the player.

02-06-2018, 11:04 AM	#12
joejccva71 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 101	Also, the GM and/or Manager should also talk to the media after a game, answer some questions, etc. It would make the game feel more alive and immersive as well. Would be a great touch.

02-06-2018, 11:56 AM	#13
zappa1 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,876	" If I'm playing as the manager it would be nice to ask the GM to aquire a player to fill a deficiency". I mentioned this very thing last year and all I got was ridiculed and poo pooed for it. Now, I keep my suggestions to myself. It's not worth it. Just as long as they don't make me go online to play the game.

02-06-2018, 01:24 PM	#17
DKimb Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 12	This doesn't seem crazy to me - there are plenty of instances where a player wants to be put in the middle of the lineup but my Manager won't do it. I wish there were some way short of firing the manager for there to be some give in that back and forth.

02-06-2018, 01:47 PM	#18
Shake Appeal Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 104	This is one of the more charming aspects of Football Manager, but it's also become stilted and repetitive over the years, and I think on balance it becomes a nuisance and causes knock-on problems. What I would like to see, rather than actual conversations, is being able to give more detailed instructions to your players and coaches. Trying to get certain players to work on certain aspects of their game, or recommend a pitcher try adding a changeup. Or negotiating with the manager over lineups if you're playing as a GM only. That kinda stuff.

02-06-2018, 01:59 PM	#19
Mr. Marlin All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,245	Interacting with the media seems like a non-starter to me. It might be ok at first but there really is just nowhere for that to go. We've all seen plenty of sports interviews and I'm sure everyone has seen a pretty predictable pattern. It would become tedious. Interacting with team staff however has real potential IMO. Especially if the interaction leads to an actual in-game outcome good or bad based on the skills of the manager/coach/player involved. Those skills should count for a lot since you pay more for them. Ask a hitting coach with poor coaching skills to help a slumping player and maybe that player will get a little worse. There are many possibilities. Whatever outcome it should be small. A small bonus, a small penalty. Even the best coaches and managers are only good for a 3-4% bump.