players playing too long

[catch22ron]

every sim players are all playing into 50s 60s 70s. why?

[CrazyWR]

I'm sorry, playing to 70 years old?

[WIUPIKE]

Can you post a screenshot

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by catch22ron

every sim players are all playing into 50s 60s 70s. why?

That's got to be something to do with your settings. What are your recalc (if you use it - you would only use it in an historical game), and player development settings?

[Reed]

If playing historical, Players retire according to history checked?

[catch22ron]

I don't select retiring players according to history... I was interested to see how ootp simulates it with all being OOTP fair.

I disable player development as suggested for replay historical leagues.

[catch22ron]

Sandy Koufax was still pitching GREAT in the 1999 season...

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by catch22ron

Sandy Koufax was still pitching GREAT in the 1999 season...

You can use recalc and player development simultaneously, and that will rid your game of this problem. What's happening is that his 1966 season is just repeating over and over and over again (if you have recalc on, which I assume you do), and thus he's still a beast at age 63(?).

[catch22ron]

When I started this is what I used. Potential rating in the beginning was set to entire career.

[Reed]

Also, you can select league functions tab, select the players tab, and on upper left side of that screen you can set a minimum and maximum age for fictional players. You will need to set both. I do not know if the game treats players as real or fictional for the seasons after they retire in real life. ActionJackson probably knows or just go ahead and give it a try. I have a feeling they are treated as fictional when the developmental engine kicks on.

Also need to enable player development and set your aging criteria. Uncheck players miss season and Players retire according to history. It is my understanding that the game will use the recalc for the years they played in real life but the development engine kicks in foe the years they missed or for after they retired in real life. I have only dabbled with that and I am sure actionjackson is more familiar with what happens.

[catch22ron]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

That's got to be something to do with your settings. What are your recalc (if you use it - you would only use it in an historical game), and player development settings?

Here is the settings I set.. see attached.

[Reed]

Yes, if you turn off player development and do not select players retire according to history, then they will play forever using their last recalc rating.

[catch22ron]

Originally Posted by Reed

Yes, if you turn off player development and do not select players retire according to history, then they will play forever using their last recalc rating.

Thanks... now that you explained it, I was reading the options and there consequences wrong... Heres some players through 1956 when I ran it again. Ty Cobb through 1956 had 7100 hits!

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by catch22ron

When I started this is what I used. Potential rating in the beginning was set to entire career.

Use "Remaining Years of Career" for "Base Potential Ratings on...". This will help in the case of most mere mortal players, but not demi-Gods like Koufax, whose final year (1966) rivalled 1963 for his best season ever. Also, use player development (I set mine to default, but you could experiment with this - I'm just lazy). This should whack them down like the moles in "Whack-A-Mole" once they reach seasons beyond the extent of their careers. In the case of Koufax (or every player really), he will be at the mercy of the player development system after his age 30 season. He may continue to be a demi-God, become a mere mortal, or commence to massive suckage.

Here's my Clayton Kershaw from an OOTP16 game. At the time (through 2014), his RL stats only stretched through his age 26 season. In my game, he was Kershaw-esque through his age 29 season, although he was definitely on the downside at 29. By age 30, he was a #3 or #4 type starter. He was permanently in the bullpen at age 31, and retired after his age 33 season. Look at the plummeting K/9 rate, and WAR every year. Sad to see? Yes. Realistic? Also yes, as anything can happen with age.

This was a Random Debut Historical in case you were wondering what the hell Kershaw was doing pitching in 1901.

[Argonaut]

I'm kind of wondering about fielding ratings and pitcher stamina with re-calc on.

I've been using "based on entire career", but I'm curious about the other settings. Like for example, if you have "3-year period" does it do the current 3-year period, or just the first 3 years of their career? Like for Eck, will he have a starter's stamina as a rookie, and then later drop stamina and be put in the bullpen? Or will he be a starter forever? I think if it's "based on entire career" he'll be in the bullpen from day one.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Argonaut

I'm kind of wondering about fielding ratings and pitcher stamina with re-calc on.

I've been using "based on entire career", but I'm curious about the other settings. Like for example, if you have "3-year period" does it do the current 3-year period, or just the first 3 years of their career? Like for Eck, will he have a starter's stamina as a rookie, and then later drop stamina and be put in the bullpen? Or will he be a starter forever? I think if it's "based on entire career" he'll be in the bullpen from day one.

If you use recalc and base stamina on current year or 3 year period, Eck will go from starter to reliever just like real life. Same for a guy like Smoltz.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by David Watts

If you use recalc and base stamina on current year or 3 year period, Eck will go from starter to reliever just like real life. Same for a guy like Smoltz.

Yep, you'll get whiplash watching Smoltz go from starter to reliever, and back to starter again. Fielders will also change positions because that's what happened in real life. I started out using 3-years, but have switched to entire career, and I ain't going back.

[catch22ron]

I use entire career for fielding always
I might do the same for stamina so we don't have the whiplash you spoke of.

[Argonaut]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Yep, you'll get whiplash watching Smoltz go from starter to reliever, and back to starter again. Fielders will also change positions because that's what happened in real life. I started out using 3-years, but have switched to entire career, and I ain't going back.

Thanks. Anything else to add about why you prefer entire career? I can think of both benefits and drawbacks.

I think it might be weird having a 40-year old Cal Ripken as an elite shortstop, and other things like that.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Argonaut

Thanks. Anything else to add about why you prefer entire career? I can think of both benefits and drawbacks.

I think it might be weird having a 40-year old Cal Ripken as an elite shortstop, and other things like that.

Definitely a drawback. For me, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. Think of Edgar Martinez for example. He was a very good fielding third baseman when he came up, but was forced to DH because of injuries. What if he had been able to stay at 3B? It allows guys who became DHs to be able to play the positions they played early on in their careers. Also, say you have a guy like Craig Biggio who went from C to 2B to CF to LF, and back to 2B again. Whiplash man. If he comes in with entire career settings, he'll be able to play multiple positions, and might even be able to stick at C, which makes him incredibly valuable even if it's not highly realistic. Obviously not everyone's cup of tea, but I've come to like it.