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02-26-2020, 07:18 PM | #41 | |
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The outcome is determined in one pitch when you hit "swing" not before. Hitting swing simulates an entire AB. When you hit "take pitch" the AB outcome has not yet been determined. It does allow you to try to get a count to steal on though. Get to 2-0 and the AI is much more likely to not pitch out. So you're saying they give you the option to "try" something you can't do? How does that even make sense? It is an argument that supports calming is in the game, not one that proves it is not. Again how do you know the AI managers do not visit the mound? When I do it there is no mention in the pbp only a popup box. If they do, I did say if, and a popup box appeared there would be complaints about having to click through it. Here's a question for you... since the AI does not have to warm up relievers does that mean when a human does it has no effect? |
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02-26-2020, 07:21 PM | #42 |
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Having to warm up pitchers is a disadvantage for the human manager. There needs to be help for AI against a human. The calming effect would be an advantage for the human manager, and that's not something game designers do.
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02-26-2020, 07:28 PM | #43 | |
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Posting options for a player to do in a manual that have no effect? Yeah, that is something good developers do not do. If found out how will that go for their reputation? Simply not worth the risk especially in a niche market, with intelligent users, like OOTP. |
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The outcome is determined in one pitch when you hit "swing" not before. Hitting swing simulates an entire AB. When you hit "take pitch" the AB outcome has not yet been determined. It does allow you to try to get a count to steal on though. Get to 2-0 and the AI is much more likely to not pitch out.
OK, so if you're playing pitch by pitch and with three balls select take you're guaranteed to get a strike. That the batter won't swing at. Meaning the take pitch feature doesn't help you get a walk with three balls. Not at all whats implied by the manual, taking advantage of a pitcher who is struggling with control. Now seriously, if you have all these features that significantly change the performance of players then even with one year recalc and no development and no random talent change historical players won't perform historically. Do you believe that? |
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Now whether its imprecision or a carefully worded statement has yet to be determined, but the manual only says "try" regarding calming a pitcher down. There are flavor of the game elements present. For example,you've stated that except for base runner action, only pushing selecting "swing" for the batter will end the play. Last edited by Brad K; 02-26-2020 at 09:13 PM. |
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02-26-2020, 09:35 PM | #46 |
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Here's another flavor item. AI managers in default select lineups based x% on ratings, y% on current year performance,. z% on last year performance. Yet players don't perform based on current or previous performance. They perform based on ratings.
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The Terrible Towel doesn't work. Its just flavor. But its still fun to have one. |
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The AB is not predetermined in pitch by pitch, it's taken one pitch at a time. That's why it is pitch by pitch. You say you can't take a pitch on 3-0 and get a walk because it's fluff the AB is predetermined. You can never get a BB in p by p with a 3-0 count? Be careful when you say never, it usually comes back with a good size bite What happens if you bunt with 2 strikes in pitch by pitch? Did the AI know you were going to do that because the AB is predetermined? How does the AI handle bunting in any AB in pitch by pitch if said AB is predetermined? Who said any of these things SIGNIFICANTLY change performance? None of these things significantly change anything, that is why even with these choices players still perform as they should. |
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Uhhh... you're the one who said you can't get a conclusion to a plate appearance without selecting swing.
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"The AB is not predetermined in pitch by pitch, it's taken one pitch at a time."
Uh, no. Its been discussed on the board. Its why the take pitch strategy can be used to wear out a pitching staff over a couple of games. Because if the AB is to end with a ball in play it can't happen until there are three balls where a batter can't automatically take |
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Another reason users asked for this was if the AI goes strictly ratings you might have a guy having a monster year, take a ratings hit in August, and be benched for a guy that now has higher ratings. Users complained this took away from realism when an established star player, having a good year, with OPS of .900+ was suddenly benched for a guy with only 125 career ABs and .700 OPS. Sure the star player was now rated lower than the bench player but IRL how would a manager know this so quickly ? Well he wouldn't but, the OOTP AI manager knows it for a fact the day it happened. Still seem like fluff? At least since it's default I believe one has the option to make the AI only use ratings? I think as simple as going 100% ratings and 0 % on stats. |
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02-27-2020, 08:28 PM | #53 |
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" if the AI goes strictly ratings you might have a guy having a monster year, take a ratings hit in August, and be benched for a guy that now has higher ratings. Users complained this took away from realism when an established star player, having a good year, with OPS of .900+ was suddenly benched for a guy with only 125 career ABs and .700 OPS."
Yes, you're right, things are done in the game for flavor. So why reject out of hand the idea mound visits and taking pitches could be flavor? |
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