Just Curious

LarryDu4 · 01-21-2019, 12:32 PM

Wondering if anyone has been able to reach the highest level of this game without purchasing points? Personally, the best I've been able to do is the Diamond level...but was relegated (98 losses) to Gold where I'm still competitive.

bobbycockstrong · 01-21-2019, 12:40 PM

Im sure people did early on in the initial weeks. And im sure people still do. You need to remember that you dont need to "spend money" to get rich in game. You could just happen to pack and expensive card and sell it. People are often on here saying "I packed so and so should i sell it for 300k and buy a good team?"

My pack only team, which is not particularly good team relatively speaking, easily cruised to diamond and stayed there for 3 seasons even making the playoffs a few times. Im sure some people cruised up to perfect with no money spent in the initial rush, but whether they have stayed there this long - who knows.

Any way you look at it, its a two way problem after that initial wave of fast promotions in the first few weeks to fill the leagues: First you need to get a good enough team to perform well in the league and make the playoffs. Then you need to actually get to the last 4 to get promoted in some instances. So even if you do everything right, you could still fail to secure promotion. For example, I havent spent any money and won 125 games once - clearly dominating the league season, but was swept in division round and didnt get promoted. Im sure others have had the other end, slipping into WC, winning to conference championship or WS and getting promoted even if they were the 10-12th best record in league.

<Pion> · 01-21-2019, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryDu4

Wondering if anyone has been able to reach the highest level of this game without purchasing points? Personally, the best I've been able to do is the Diamond level...but was relegated (98 losses) to Gold where I'm still competitive.

I was. After four (maybe 3) seasons, I was bumped down to Diamond this week. The team was part of that initial rush to the top and wasn't really a Perfect level team though it usually won about 45% of their games (but dropped each year with more powerful teams being added each season).

It was three seasons. First two years I won 46% and 45%. I had only won 51% at Diamond and was promoted to Perfect because I had made the playoffs I guess.

Will_L · 01-21-2019, 06:02 PM

My NYC Subways Rats are in Perfect 403 after winning the championship in their Diamond 370 last season.
No pp purchased.

pstrickert · 01-21-2019, 06:35 PM

IIRC, Markus said that just 5% of users spend money on PT. If a F2P user has about the same chance to reach the upper level as a P2P user, then we’d expect to see 28 F2P teams out of the 30 teams in each Perfect league (on average). I know that’s not happening. So, I wonder: What %-age of teams currently in Perfect leagues are F2P? 1 out of 30? It’d be interesting to find out.

Socali · 01-21-2019, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Will_L

My NYC Subways Rats are in Perfect 403 after winning the championship in their Diamond 370 last season.
No pp purchased.

The percentage of those reaching Perfect without spending money has to be really low. I think I could, possibly, if I had more time but I am so impressed with you and anyone who can accomplish this. Standing ovation and congrats!

DonkeyKongSr · 01-21-2019, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Socali

The percentage of those reaching Perfect without spending money has to be really low. I think I could, possibly, if I had more time but I am so impressed with you and anyone who can accomplish this. Standing ovation and congrats!

Anyone who was playing on Day 1 and pulled big cards and sold them could have earned $200+ in PP. You can put together a Perfect Team champ with that if spent wisely.

<Pion> · 01-21-2019, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

Anyone who was playing on Day 1 and pulled big cards and sold them could have earned $200+ in PP. You can put together a Perfect Team champ with that if spent wisely.

And then there are those who got squat from cards and did it with players bought with achievement PP.

Maddox · 01-22-2019, 11:40 AM

My first team is in Diamond. I did spend $5 on points, but that is not enough to make a significant difference. I feel I could have been smarter about building the team. I probably wasted some PP. I paid very little attention to defense.

It is definitely harder to progress now than at the beginning. The number of teams being promoted each season has been drastically reduced.

Comedian2004 · 01-22-2019, 12:02 PM

I won the World Series in the silver league thanks to triple crown winner JD and was promoted to the gold. I see a whole lot of teams with the same players I have.

Have not spent a penny.

stl jason · 01-22-2019, 12:21 PM

it's a slow journey but my F2P / pre-ww2 theme team is currently in the diamond leagues... I'd guess it'll take a few seasons at minimum for them to even think about promotion again (and that's assuming they play well enough to not get relegated); but stranger things have happened (didn't expect to move from gold to diamond so fast but here we are

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pstrickert · 01-22-2019, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr

Anyone who was playing on Day 1 and pulled big cards and sold them could have earned $200+ in PP. You can put together a Perfect Team champ with that if spent wisely.

Sure you can. I’ve even heard of one user who gained a coupla hundred thousand PPs through, um, unethical means. What’s worse is that he’s still rockin’ and rollin’ in PT, his opponents being none the wiser.

Will_L · 01-22-2019, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Socali

The percentage of those reaching Perfect without spending money has to be really low. I think I could, possibly, if I had more time but I am so impressed with you and anyone who can accomplish this. Standing ovation and congrats!

You'd laugh at my team in S303, poor sods are ftp and haven't been lucky with the packs from day 1. Checked them early this morning and they're still sucking fumes at 11-14 and that was after three "upgrades" before I left for work yesterday.

CajunGumbo · 01-22-2019, 08:12 PM

I have never bought PP and I made it to the very first perfect league. I have been in a perfect league the last 3 of 4 seasons. My team is currently worth ~100,000 PP mainly due to reselling undervalued cards in the AH.

However I have no hopes of winning any Perfect league as the level of competition in Perfect league is way beyond diamond. I have about a .600 record in diamond and a .333 record in my Perfect seasons. Currently sitting around .250 so far this year.

01-21-2019, 12:32 PM	#1
LarryDu4 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 37	Just Curious Wondering if anyone has been able to reach the highest level of this game without purchasing points? Personally, the best I've been able to do is the Diamond level...but was relegated (98 losses) to Gold where I'm still competitive.

01-21-2019, 06:02 PM	#4
Will_L All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Laurelton, NY Posts: 590	My NYC Subways Rats are in Perfect 403 after winning the championship in their Diamond 370 last season. No pp purchased. Last edited by Will_L; 01-21-2019 at 06:03 PM.

01-22-2019, 12:02 PM	#10
Comedian2004 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In a house in Saint Cloud, Florida. Posts: 7,085	I won the World Series in the silver league thanks to triple crown winner JD and was promoted to the gold. I see a whole lot of teams with the same players I have. Have not spent a penny. __________________ Like BLUES? Visit www.smokestacklightnin.com, you will LOVE it! New show every Monday!! New Blues HOF![/COLOR][/FONT]

01-22-2019, 12:21 PM	#11
stl jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,943	it's a slow journey but my F2P / pre-ww2 theme team is currently in the diamond leagues... I'd guess it'll take a few seasons at minimum for them to even think about promotion again (and that's assuming they play well enough to not get relegated); but stranger things have happened (didn't expect to move from gold to diamond so fast but here we are ) __________________ Beer League dynasty thread - knock 'em back!

01-21-2019, 12:40 PM	#2
bobbycockstrong Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 178	Im sure people did early on in the initial weeks. And im sure people still do. You need to remember that you dont need to "spend money" to get rich in game. You could just happen to pack and expensive card and sell it. People are often on here saying "I packed so and so should i sell it for 300k and buy a good team?" My pack only team, which is not particularly good team relatively speaking, easily cruised to diamond and stayed there for 3 seasons even making the playoffs a few times. Im sure some people cruised up to perfect with no money spent in the initial rush, but whether they have stayed there this long - who knows. Any way you look at it, its a two way problem after that initial wave of fast promotions in the first few weeks to fill the leagues: First you need to get a good enough team to perform well in the league and make the playoffs. Then you need to actually get to the last 4 to get promoted in some instances. So even if you do everything right, you could still fail to secure promotion. For example, I havent spent any money and won 125 games once - clearly dominating the league season, but was swept in division round and didnt get promoted. Im sure others have had the other end, slipping into WC, winning to conference championship or WS and getting promoted even if they were the 10-12th best record in league.

01-21-2019, 06:35 PM	#5
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,739	IIRC, Markus said that just 5% of users spend money on PT. If a F2P user has about the same chance to reach the upper level as a P2P user, then we’d expect to see 28 F2P teams out of the 30 teams in each Perfect league (on average). I know that’s not happening. So, I wonder: What %-age of teams currently in Perfect leagues are F2P? 1 out of 30? It’d be interesting to find out.

01-22-2019, 11:40 AM	#9
Maddox All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 903	My first team is in Diamond. I did spend $5 on points, but that is not enough to make a significant difference. I feel I could have been smarter about building the team. I probably wasted some PP. I paid very little attention to defense. It is definitely harder to progress now than at the beginning. The number of teams being promoted each season has been drastically reduced.

01-22-2019, 08:12 PM	#14
CajunGumbo Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 4	I have never bought PP and I made it to the very first perfect league. I have been in a perfect league the last 3 of 4 seasons. My team is currently worth ~100,000 PP mainly due to reselling undervalued cards in the AH. However I have no hopes of winning any Perfect league as the level of competition in Perfect league is way beyond diamond. I have about a .600 record in diamond and a .333 record in my Perfect seasons. Currently sitting around .250 so far this year.