Stats, Importing, and Me

[Ramicus]

As I import the various historical players needed for my project, the game is generating ratings for me. What stats are being taken into account to create those?

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Ramicus

As I import the various historical players needed for my project, the game is generating ratings for me. What stats are being taken into account to create those?

I am weak on this so I am answering based on opinion not knowledge. I believe the scout is basing it based on his evaluation combined with stats. I use 100% scouting in some leagues especially historical. You wont see the scout be different then OSA. Satchel Paige in 1920 will be based on the fact he wasn't all that good yet but will be 4.5 or 5 stars based on the fact he was the best Negro League pitcher.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Ramicus

As I import the various historical players needed for my project, the game is generating ratings for me. What stats are being taken into account to create those?

Read here and take a close look at the screen print about "Base Current/Potential ratings on . . ."

Out of the Park Baseball Manual

[Ramicus]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Read here and take a close look at the screen print about "Base Current/Potential ratings on . . ."

Out of the Park Baseball Manual

I don't quite see how that answers the question. The question is what stats from the historical player's real career are taken into account by the game when creating the in-game ratings.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Ramicus

I don't quite see how that answers the question. The question is what stats from the historical player's real career are taken into account by the game when creating the in-game ratings.

Wouldn't it depend on what your recalc settings are? I use 1 yr vs 3 year.

[Ramicus]

They're both on three years.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Ramicus

They're both on three years.

So the scout might be looking at 3 years? Trying to think who would know best on this...gonna go PM Lukasberger and get his .

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Ramicus

I don't quite see how that answers the question. The question is what stats from the historical player's real career are taken into account by the game when creating the in-game ratings.

Sorry, I thought that might be helpful to call your attention to the settings in that screen. What I was trying to point out, and what I think The Game has alluded to, is the drop-down menus for selecting what ratings are based on. The menus are the same for importing individual players as for automatically importing historical rookies, whatever you are doing.

[Ike348]

I think he means (and if I'm wrong I would still like to know this) what specific stats, like batting average, ERA, etc., translate into the ratings? For example, what stat(s) is contact rating based on?

[Ramicus]

Originally Posted by Ike348

I think he means (and if I'm wrong I would still like to know this) what specific stats, like batting average, ERA, etc., translate into the ratings? For example, what stat(s) is contact rating based on?

Precisely this.

[Ike348]

Bumpin it up. Anyone know?

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by Ike348

Bumpin it up. Anyone know?

Ike, I could give you my guesses (I mean, BABIP for Contact; OBP for Eye; Slugging for Gap Power; ISO for Home Run Power; Strikeouts for Avoid K's; Strikeouts / Home Runs / Walks per 9 innings for Stuff/Movement/Control) but you want definite answers from someone who actually knows. If you don't get them here, you many want to start a new thread on the OOPTB 14 General Discussions forum. You may catch an insider's eye, there.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Ike, I could give you my guesses (I mean, BABIP for Contact; OBP for Eye; Slugging for Gap Power; ISO for Home Run Power; Strikeouts for Avoid K's; Strikeouts / Home Runs / Walks per 9 innings for Stuff/Movement/Control) but you want definite answers from someone who actually knows. If you don't get them here, you many want to start a new thread on the OOPTB 14 General Discussions forum. You may catch an insider's eye, there.

That's roughly right but it's more complicated than that. There isn't really a 1 to 1 correlation between any specific stats from the Lahman db and a specific rating in OOTP. A lot of the ratings depend on multiple stats and the ratings can and do change depending on how you set the make worse/bad thresholds, peak seasons etc..

I'm probably not the best person to go into too much more detail, Spritze and Markus are probably the only folks who know for sure exactly what the ratios are, and it may be that Spritze doesn't even know with 100% certainty.

[Ike348]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Ike, I could give you my guesses (I mean, BABIP for Contact; OBP for Eye; Slugging for Gap Power; ISO for Home Run Power; Strikeouts for Avoid K's; Strikeouts / Home Runs / Walks per 9 innings for Stuff/Movement/Control) but you want definite answers from someone who actually knows. If you don't get them here, you many want to start a new thread on the OOPTB 14 General Discussions forum. You may catch an insider's eye, there.

Thanks. I wasn't really looking for in-depth formulas, so this works. Now I understand why certain power hitters only get middle-of-the-road contact ratings, and why 19th-early 20th century guys always get astronomical gap ratings.

This will help me when makinng a small custom DB based off custom players.

[Ramicus]

A related issue. Until today, the players I was putting in appeared with ratings, which is why I asked this question. But the players I put in tonight are in with nulls in all the categories. What's up with that?

[The Game]

Originally Posted by Ramicus

A related issue. Until today, the players I was putting in appeared with ratings, which is why I asked this question. But the players I put in tonight are in with nulls in all the categories. What's up with that?

Do a rescout, either from player profile or from League setup Run OSA Rescout. If that doesn't help you could have imported a player from a DB other the default that doesn't have stats for that player.

[Ike348]

Another question. Why do early pitchers always have the lowest "stuff" ratings? What stats translate into stuff that would lead to such a disparity?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Ike348

Another question. Why do early pitchers always have the lowest "stuff" ratings? What stats translate into stuff that would lead to such a disparity?

Stuff = Strikeouts.

Early pitchers pitched a ton of innings at less than peak efficiency, often "easing up" for innings and games at a time. That combined with the contact heavy approach of early batters means that 19th and early 20th century pitchers got very, very few strikeouts compared to pitchers of any other era.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Stuff = Strikeouts.

Early pitchers pitched a ton of innings at less than peak efficiency, often "easing up" for innings and games at a time. That combined with the contact heavy approach of early batters means that 19th and early 20th century pitchers got very, very few strikeouts compared to pitchers of any other era.

Also may of the early pitchers didnt throw over 90 MPH. Walter Johnson & Christy Mathewson are 2 that I can think of who did 90-92 but Cy Young is 87-89. Bobby Matthews I think is around 88-90. I have a 16 vet LHP whose stuff keeps dropping to 4 after each season and it is because his velocity goes from 92-94 down to 88-90. I edit this player back to the 92-94.

[Ramicus]

Originally Posted by The Game

Do a rescout, either from player profile or from League setup Run OSA Rescout. If that doesn't help you could have imported a player from a DB other the default that doesn't have stats for that player.

It happened to all my players when I just checked, so I'm hoping it's the first choice.

EDIT: Yup, all fixed!