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01-08-2019, 08:36 AM | #61 |
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Yes, you need to be careful using this data for Perfect League decisions. These leagues have stacked lineups with lots of platoons and the level of play is too much for some pitchers that do well at the lower levels. This FIP formula also ignores platoon splits and those weaknesses will be exposed at Perfect level as well. The list is just a good general ordering and useful for people who have no idea who the good pitchers are. However, it would be silly to make Perfect League decisions based on a difference of 5-10 spots in this list.
The top guys are the really good ones though, for the most part. However, the Pitcher of the Month for April in my Perfect League was near the bottom of this list so... |
01-08-2019, 09:48 AM | #62 |
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Is Tiny Bonham good? he has good Con/Mov. His Stuff is only 59, I know you're saying that doesn't matter as much but there must be a threshold, if they aren't missing bats, the hitter's getting more chances, right?
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01-08-2019, 10:20 AM | #63 | |
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My team has good def and the park is pretty stingy, so it generally plays to his strengths. Not sure how he would fare on a more offense-focused, since he won't generate a lot of K's and gives up his share of contact. |
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01-08-2019, 10:53 AM | #64 |
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Yep, Tiny is pretty legit. Not so much at the top level but I'd say up to Diamond you can rely on him. At Perfect...it'll be tough, but then its tough on everyone so who knows.
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01-08-2019, 10:57 AM | #65 |
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Great thread guys, keep up the good work!
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01-08-2019, 11:10 AM | #66 |
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Yes, I am finding out that good pitching in the perfect league is a crapshoot from game to game. That has been driving me crazy the last two seasons.🤯🤷*♂️
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01-08-2019, 11:29 AM | #67 |
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I'm in Diamond and my 96 OA Pedro is running a 6.10 ERA through 6 games. At this pace, I think I'm going to need 1/2 my bullpen as long relievers so that they don't tire out.
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01-08-2019, 11:43 AM | #68 |
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It may be kind of a crapshoot, and I only have a little bit of experience in it, but I think the higher you go in levels, the more importance both defense and park factors play in determining how good your pitching is.
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01-08-2019, 12:13 PM | #69 |
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Joe Musgrove, 73 ovr, dominated my Diamond league in April. I really need to figure out what that guy is doing with his team to see why my staff is so terrible!
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01-08-2019, 12:17 PM | #70 |
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Has anyone seen success building GB pitchers in a small park with a great infield, or FB pitchers in a large park with rangy outfielders?
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01-08-2019, 12:20 PM | #71 |
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Most of the good pitchers are flyball pitchers. Groundball pitchers are rare among the 90+ pitchers.
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01-08-2019, 12:28 PM | #72 | |
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What probably helps the most are BA park factors. |
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01-08-2019, 12:31 PM | #74 |
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My thinking was GB pitchers give up less fly balls/HRs and then you can bang them out of the stadium on offense.
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01-08-2019, 12:33 PM | #75 | |
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EDIT: That said, I really don't put much stock into gb/fb stuff compared to ratings/park factors. Last edited by CrazyWR; 01-08-2019 at 12:34 PM. Reason: ETA |
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01-08-2019, 12:41 PM | #76 |
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01-08-2019, 01:28 PM | #77 |
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Park factors are pretty important IMO, as well as your offensive strategy, and defense. It seems to be pretty effective to build your offense around either one of contact/gap or power/eye, and setting park factors appropriately. So for contact/gap that would be a "big" park i.e. low HR factor but high AVG factor. For a HR/OBP based offense you choose high HR factor and low AVG factor (i.e. "small"). This way you can build the strongest team for your buck, because you can acquire less balanced players with lower ratings in other areas.
Then once you have made that decision, you build your rotation around that too. So if your park is "big" then it would make sense to focus on flyball pitchers. GB have much higher BABIP than FB, and with the high AVG factor a lot of groundballs should turn into singles which would not be ideal. FB, while having a much lower BABIP than GB, have their own significant downside in allowing a much higher SLG. However that downside is somewhat minimized by the lower HR factor. So to me it kind of breaks down into two "most ideal" paths of what to focus on: 1) Contact/Gap Hitting --> "Big" Park --> FB pitchers --> OF defense 2) Power/Eye Hitting --> "Small" Park --> GB pitchers --> IF defense |
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I'm thinking I'm going to try focusing my pitching more heavily on Movement+Control. If I can keep the ball in the park and limit walks, my D should take care of many of the extra balls in play from lack of strikeouts. |
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01-08-2019, 01:33 PM | #79 |
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And just as I post this, Chris Sale pitches a 1-hitter through 8 innings. The same guy with 8-run 5-inning and 9-run 5-inning starts.
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01-09-2019, 12:25 AM | #80 |
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I’m starting to think that’s just par for the course at Perfect levels. I have pitchers having good years that still get lit up like Vegas every 2-3 starts.
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