Help with first year player draft please

milldaddy · 10-08-2017, 12:09 AM

So, I created a historical league in 97, and took over TB before the expansion draft. I completed all of that and got into the first year player draft. However, guys are way to developed for how old they are. For example, here is 17 year old CC Sabathia

Can someone please help me figure this out so players aren't so developed?

Painmantle · 10-08-2017, 09:58 AM

The OOTP Database contains no ratings, it contains statistics, player ratings are created upon creation of the player for the draft based on those stats. A player will never be created exactly the same twice. "Way too developed" is a relative term based on how much the player will actually develop. In most cases the potential you see via your scouts is inaccurate to some degree. In the case of CC Sabathia above, I highly suspect he will develop beyond those potentials (Or could possibly decrease). Potentials, like current ratings are not static, they are dynamic and will change.

What you see is also relative to your scout , your scouting accuracy, and a few other variables. There is no way that I know of to change how developed players are when they enter the league, some players simply are created more developed than others. There is a certain randomness to the process that is out of our control!

Also note: A SP with 20/55 control can hardly be considered "Way Too Developed" Here is Sabathia in a league I just created in 97 and ran up to the Rookie Draft with the 20-80 scale and the 1-20 scale. (This is the exact same player with the scale changed) It is all in your perception

milldaddy · 10-08-2017, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Painmantle

The OOTP Database contains no ratings, it contains statistics, player ratings are created upon creation of the player for the draft based on those stats. A player will never be created exactly the same twice. "Way too developed" is a relative term based on how much the player will actually develop. In most cases the potential you see via your scouts is inaccurate to some degree. In the case of CC Sabathia above, I highly suspect he will develop beyond those potentials (Or could possibly decrease). Potentials, like current ratings are not static, they are dynamic and will change.

What you see is also relative to your scout , your scouting accuracy, and a few other variables. There is no way that I know of to change how developed players are when they enter the league, some players simply are created more developed than others. There is a certain randomness to the process that is out of our control!

Also note: A SP with 20/55 control can hardly be considered "Way Too Developed" Here is Sabathia in a league I just created in 97 and ran up to the Rookie Draft with the 20-80 scale and the 1-20 scale. (This is the exact same player with the scale changed) It is all in your perception

Thank you for your response. So I understand wha you are saying. However, I have 18 year old pitchers that are already fully developed, which I do not think should be the case, correct? I can get screenshots fro you here soon. Thanks a ton!

Painmantle · 10-08-2017, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by milldaddy

Thank you for your response. So I understand wha you are saying. However, I have 18 year old pitchers that are already fully developed, which I do not think should be the case, correct? I can get screenshots fro you here soon. Thanks a ton!

Maybe the player has higher potentials (Or lower) Maybe the players has higher or lower current ratings, maybe they are not fully developed, maybe your scout is wrong? Throwing an 18 year old into the ML because you think he's ready usually doesn't work out very well in my experience. He could possibly do well, but the chances are you are not seeing a totally accurate version of the player at that age! Using CC Sabathia as an example because that is the screen shots we are using as a reference at this point, He Pitched a Full Season IRL at the ML level in 2001 going 17-5. That means he only had basically 2 full seasons in the minors IRL (The RL Draft at that point was held in June 1998, not Dec 1997) So yes you are getting him 6 months early and yes he could get that 3rd full season in the minors, so the chances are he will be ready a little sooner. and YES players in OOTP tend to come in earlier than RL because of that reason. But it is usually only by a season unless you are just throwing guys into the ML because their ratings you see suggest he's ready, and has already been mentioned, scouting is not an exact science and "Maybe your scout is wrong" Minor league seasoning for young players is always a good idea, I would rather leave a guy in the minors a little too long than call him up too soon.

And I appreciate the offer to post more screen shots, but I assure you I am quite aware of the phenomena that you are experiencing, I have been running online Historical leagues for well over 5 years. You just need to realize the limitations of the game and live within that realm by resisting the urge to throw guy into the ML too soon Because the ratings suggest he's ready at 18. But then again, seeing a few guys get pounded at a young age will defiantly help you resist the urge in the future, It did for me

Jerry Helper · 10-08-2017, 11:16 AM

I've consistently seen in my historical sims that big stars and future hall of famers tend to be very developed at what would seem to be an early age. I don't think that's an uncommon thing in your game

milldaddy · 10-08-2017, 11:37 AM

Thank you for your guys help. This is my first historical simulation, so maybe everything is right.

10-08-2017, 12:09 AM	#1
milldaddy Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 62	Help with first year player draft please So, I created a historical league in 97, and took over TB before the expansion draft. I completed all of that and got into the first year player draft. However, guys are way to developed for how old they are. For example, here is 17 year old CC Sabathia Can someone please help me figure this out so players aren't so developed? Last edited by milldaddy; 10-08-2017 at 12:11 AM.

10-08-2017, 09:58 AM	#2
Painmantle Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Greenfield ,IN Posts: 3,053	The OOTP Database contains no ratings, it contains statistics, player ratings are created upon creation of the player for the draft based on those stats. A player will never be created exactly the same twice. "Way too developed" is a relative term based on how much the player will actually develop. In most cases the potential you see via your scouts is inaccurate to some degree. In the case of CC Sabathia above, I highly suspect he will develop beyond those potentials (Or could possibly decrease). Potentials, like current ratings are not static, they are dynamic and will change. What you see is also relative to your scout , your scouting accuracy, and a few other variables. There is no way that I know of to change how developed players are when they enter the league, some players simply are created more developed than others. There is a certain randomness to the process that is out of our control! Also note: A SP with 20/55 control can hardly be considered "Way Too Developed" Here is Sabathia in a league I just created in 97 and ran up to the Rookie Draft with the 20-80 scale and the 1-20 scale. (This is the exact same player with the scale changed) It is all in your perception Attached Images __________________ “As soon as I got out there I felt a strange relationship with the pitcher's mound. It was as if I'd been born out there. Pitching just felt like the most natural thing in the world. Striking out batters was easy.” -Babe Ruth “Ruth made a grave mistake when he gave up pitching. Working once a week, he might have lasted a long time and become a great star.”-Tris Speaker My Dynasties The Beantown Bambino Last edited by Painmantle; 10-08-2017 at 10:00 AM.

10-08-2017, 11:16 AM	#5
Jerry Helper Major Leagues Join Date: May 2017 Location: Dallas Posts: 325	I've consistently seen in my historical sims that big stars and future hall of famers tend to be very developed at what would seem to be an early age. I don't think that's an uncommon thing in your game

10-08-2017, 11:37 AM	#6
milldaddy Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 62	Thank you for your guys help. This is my first historical simulation, so maybe everything is right.