Gambo/Spritze DB for OOTP11 RE-released - Page 2

edm · 09-01-2010, 03:03 AM

Thanks to you and spritze for the database work. I just had a quick question though (sorry if it's been asked already) but when first starting a historical league, should we you the default database for the initial import, then switch to yours/spritze db, or do we use this from the start?

Gambo · 09-01-2010, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edm

Thanks to you and spritze for the database work. I just had a quick question though (sorry if it's been asked already) but when first starting a historical league, should we you the default database for the initial import, then switch to yours/spritze db, or do we use this from the start?

Use it from the start

Jabez54 · 10-13-2010, 12:35 AM

Mates ...

I admired your sheer size of fan-base support and an incredible MODs enhancement in every category ...

Gambo/Spritze ...

Is there a way to merge all [league redacted] players, the Negro League Baseball players, and Pre-National Association Players into The updated version of the Lahman Baseball Database ... The reason is this, I play PureSim 3, AND I love to be able to use your DB because of the way I played in my Assn in Historical whatifs but I can't ... Pudge27DB is a great DB but has limitation with errors ...

The only reason I don't play OOTP game is the sheer size of it ... I have tried from earlier versions but it is way too much info for me to handle

... Hence, PS3 ... simpler for me to play ...

I'm sure I may get alot of flack, but for the love of The Baseball Pastime is the main reason why we are all here ...

Many thanks for your input/support and allowing me to grace your forum ...

golander40 · 10-13-2010, 03:26 AM

If I Can----I can assure you---You Can

Gil The Ancient One

Jabez54 · 10-13-2010, 08:27 AM

Gil ... Good to see you here

... That's true, mate

...

CONN CHRIS · 10-13-2010, 08:45 AM

Not sure if this is the right place but so be it:

I love the DB you guys made that includes Japanese and Negro League players - fantastic work and thank you!

I wonder though what is the best way to edit them? Edit the DB directly or edit the player after import. It seems that the Negro League players (haven't gotten to the Japanese players yet) import with some sort of generic low stats.

Bristolduke · 10-13-2010, 09:59 AM

I'm sure the low stats is due to using major league equivalents (Gambo or Spritze can confirm). While there are exceptions where negro/japanese/korean stats are good/solid/superstar players in the majors, by and large the lack of depth of quality means you will see lower overall ratings.

As to which way is easiest, If you are using re-calc then I would say modifying the DB is the easiest, sin you will have to update each season. If you are using the OOTP development model, then editing in game may be the easiest, since you can edit ratings ans potential ratings which would drive their growth.

My 2 cents

CONN CHRIS · 10-13-2010, 10:05 AM

I am sure the ML equivalents in use are the cause. I don't disagree with that in theory but something isn't right if it results in Satchel Paige being a career middle inning releiver (and a poor one at that) or Josh Gibson being a career minor leaguer.

It seems that a little subjective input may be in order at my end.

Bristolduke · 10-13-2010, 10:55 AM

Pitchers are still problematic in OOTP. The switch to pitch as a basis for endurance and being a starter or reliever is still very flawed in my opinion. There are many ML pitchers who don't come out right (Nolan Ryan and Warren Spahn are two that I recall from previous discussions - they are MRs as well).

Can't speak to catchers per se, but fielding ratings are an issue in 11 as well, although mostly players not getting ratings.

Spritze · 10-13-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I am sure the ML equivalents in use are the cause. I don't disagree with that in theory but something isn't right if it results in Satchel Paige being a career middle inning releiver (and a poor one at that) or Josh Gibson being a career minor leaguer.

It seems that a little subjective input may be in order at my end.

In my leagues Satchell always wins 300 to 400 games and Mr. Gibson has 500 to 600 HR's so I'm thinking their may be something up with your league. But then Ryan and Spahn also perform as intended in my leagues.

Probably one of the myriad settings somewhere. Recalc MUST be ON and Development MUST be OFF. Other than that I'm not sure what might be messing with you.

CONN CHRIS · 10-13-2010, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritze

In my leagues Satchell always wins 300 to 400 games and Mr. Gibson has 500 to 600 HR's so I'm thinking their may be something up with your league. But then Ryan and Spahn also perform as intended in my leagues.

Probably one of the myriad settings somewhere. Recalc MUST be ON and Development MUST be OFF. Other than that I'm not sure what might be messing with you.

I'll double check tonight but I am dead certain recalc is on and player dev is off. Maybe I am wrong though because all the negro leaguers come though with flat-out horrible ratings - O Charleston is a minor league utility guy (if he even gets picked up by anyone).

Gambo · 10-13-2010, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I am sure the ML equivalents in use are the cause. I don't disagree with that in theory but something isn't right if it results in Satchel Paige being a career middle inning releiver (and a poor one at that) or Josh Gibson being a career minor leaguer.

It seems that a little subjective input may be in order at my end.

Are you sure you're using neutralized stats with recalculation on? Cuz in every sim i've done Gibson ends up hitting 300 or so homeruns and Paige is pretty darn awesome. There should be no generic ratings.

Gambo · 10-13-2010, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I'll double check tonight but I am dead certain recalc is on and player dev is off. Maybe I am wrong though because all the negro leaguers come though with flat-out horrible ratings - O Charleston is a minor league utility guy (if he even gets picked up by anyone).

If you have guys like that coming in as utility players there are two possible culprits... your settings are wrong or you're not using the .odb file and using the .csv files.

CONN CHRIS · 10-13-2010, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambo

Are you sure you're using neutralized stats with recalculation on? Cuz in every sim i've done Gibson ends up hitting 300 or so homeruns and Paige is pretty darn awesome. There should be no generic ratings.

I am going to check again tonight. User error is always a distinct possibility with me!

CONN CHRIS · 10-13-2010, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambo

If you have guys like that coming in as utility players there are two possible culprits... your settings are wrong or you're not using the .odb file and using the .csv files.

Yet another item that I am sure I have correct but Ill check that too. Something is obviously ticked wrong.

Thanks

CONN CHRIS · 10-13-2010, 07:12 PM

Ah ha - Real stats are ticked. doh!

Thanks folks.

CONN CHRIS · 10-13-2010, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambo

If you have guys like that coming in as utility players there are two possible culprits... your settings are wrong or you're not using the .odb file and using the .csv files.

Datapath is set to this: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Out of the Park Developments\OOTP Baseball 11\stats

Should it be: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Out of the Park Developments\OOTP Baseball 11\stats\historical_database.odb

Jabez54 · 10-14-2010, 07:12 AM

Gambo/Spritze ...

Has been a few days and still waiting for your responses ... is it because I'm into another baseball game that is suited for me comfortably and not with this game? ... OOTP11 has NO competitors due to their fan-base, forums and the abilities this game has projected ... I'm into a more simpler taste and yet have a penchant as much as the next mate as far as how one play their games ... I have download a number of fantastic photos, logos and park images and converted them into the compliance of PS3(the software has been revived) to enjoy them as much as you, mates, as with yours ... just want to be able to use this awesome DB you have in my Assn and to enjoy our favorite pastime ... Baseball ... a place we can share our own Field of Dreams ...

Again, Thanks for allowing me to grace this fine forum ...

Tomas

Gambo · 10-14-2010, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jabez54

Gambo/Spritze ...

Has been a few days and still waiting for your responses ... is it because I'm into another baseball game that is suited for me comfortably and not with this game? ... OOTP11 has NO competitor due to their fan-base, forums and the abilities this game has projected ... I'm into a more simpler taste and yet have a penchant as much as the next mate as far as how one play their games ... I have download a number of fantastic photos, logos and park images and convert them into the compliance of PS3 to enjoy them as much as you mates with yours ... just want to be able to use this awesome DB you have in my Assn and to enjoy our favorite pastime ... Baseball ... a place we can share our own Field of Dreams ...

Again, Thanks for allowing me to grace this fine forum ...

Tomas

In theory all you would need to do is remove the batting,pitching,fielding .csvs and rename the batting2.csv to batting.csv. After that you would need to go into each file and make sure the format is right and make the correction. However, you would only have neutralized stats and no real stats.

Jabez54 · 10-14-2010, 08:41 AM

Thanks, Gambo ...

Very much appreciated ...

Would rather have it all ... in order to enjoy the "whatifs" scenario ... be kind of neat, if all ballplayers were able to play from their intro - on throughout - in One big Assn ... to see how any elite could of fare against one another ... (of course, duplication of their historical years would not be made possible because of all the variation of teams, chemistry ... ect ... BUT - what a blast to see what they all could of done with new stats) ...

Again, Thanks ...

10-13-2010, 03:26 AM	#24
golander40 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 325	If I If I Can----I can assure you---You Can Gil The Ancient One

10-13-2010, 08:45 AM	#26
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,366	Not sure if this is the right place but so be it: I love the DB you guys made that includes Japanese and Negro League players - fantastic work and thank you! I wonder though what is the best way to edit them? Edit the DB directly or edit the player after import. It seems that the Negro League players (haven't gotten to the Japanese players yet) import with some sort of generic low stats. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

10-13-2010, 09:59 AM	#27
Bristolduke All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,404	I'm sure the low stats is due to using major league equivalents (Gambo or Spritze can confirm). While there are exceptions where negro/japanese/korean stats are good/solid/superstar players in the majors, by and large the lack of depth of quality means you will see lower overall ratings. As to which way is easiest, If you are using re-calc then I would say modifying the DB is the easiest, sin you will have to update each season. If you are using the OOTP development model, then editing in game may be the easiest, since you can edit ratings ans potential ratings which would drive their growth. My 2 cents __________________ Commish of the Home Nations Baseball Association Commish of the Baseball Association League Commish of the League of WAR Commish of the On-Line Dynasty League SIMBL2 - Westbury Cannons Great Lakes Baseball - Toledo Neptunes World Baseball - Guantanamo Marines OMLB - Cincinnati Reds

10-13-2010, 10:05 AM	#28
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,366	I am sure the ML equivalents in use are the cause. I don't disagree with that in theory but something isn't right if it results in Satchel Paige being a career middle inning releiver (and a poor one at that) or Josh Gibson being a career minor leaguer. It seems that a little subjective input may be in order at my end. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

10-13-2010, 10:55 AM	#29
Bristolduke All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,404	Pitchers are still problematic in OOTP. The switch to pitch as a basis for endurance and being a starter or reliever is still very flawed in my opinion. There are many ML pitchers who don't come out right (Nolan Ryan and Warren Spahn are two that I recall from previous discussions - they are MRs as well). Can't speak to catchers per se, but fielding ratings are an issue in 11 as well, although mostly players not getting ratings. __________________ Commish of the Home Nations Baseball Association Commish of the Baseball Association League Commish of the League of WAR Commish of the On-Line Dynasty League SIMBL2 - Westbury Cannons Great Lakes Baseball - Toledo Neptunes World Baseball - Guantanamo Marines OMLB - Cincinnati Reds

09-01-2010, 03:03 AM	#21
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,991	Thanks to you and spritze for the database work. I just had a quick question though (sorry if it's been asked already) but when first starting a historical league, should we you the default database for the initial import, then switch to yours/spritze db, or do we use this from the start?

10-13-2010, 12:35 AM	#23
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,068	Mates ... I admired your sheer size of fan-base support and an incredible MODs enhancement in every category ... Gambo/Spritze ... Is there a way to merge all [league redacted] players, the Negro League Baseball players, and Pre-National Association Players into The updated version of the Lahman Baseball Database ... The reason is this, I play PureSim 3, AND I love to be able to use your DB because of the way I played in my Assn in Historical whatifs but I can't ... Pudge27DB is a great DB but has limitation with errors ... The only reason I don't play OOTP game is the sheer size of it ... I have tried from earlier versions but it is way too much info for me to handle ... Hence, PS3 ... simpler for me to play ... I'm sure I may get alot of flack, but for the love of The Baseball Pastime is the main reason why we are all here ... Many thanks for your input/support and allowing me to grace your forum ...

10-13-2010, 08:27 AM	#25
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,068	Gil ... Good to see you here ... That's true, mate ...

10-13-2010, 07:12 PM	#36
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,366	Ah ha - Real stats are ticked. doh! Thanks folks. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

10-14-2010, 07:12 AM	#38
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,068	Gambo/Spritze ... Has been a few days and still waiting for your responses ... is it because I'm into another baseball game that is suited for me comfortably and not with this game? ... OOTP11 has NO competitors due to their fan-base, forums and the abilities this game has projected ... I'm into a more simpler taste and yet have a penchant as much as the next mate as far as how one play their games ... I have download a number of fantastic photos, logos and park images and converted them into the compliance of PS3(the software has been revived) to enjoy them as much as you, mates, as with yours ... just want to be able to use this awesome DB you have in my Assn and to enjoy our favorite pastime ... Baseball ... a place we can share our own Field of Dreams ... Again, Thanks for allowing me to grace this fine forum ... Tomas Last edited by Jabez54; 10-16-2010 at 07:33 AM.

10-14-2010, 08:41 AM	#40
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,068	Thanks, Gambo ... Very much appreciated ... Would rather have it all ... in order to enjoy the "whatifs" scenario ... be kind of neat, if all ballplayers were able to play from their intro - on throughout - in One big Assn ... to see how any elite could of fare against one another ... (of course, duplication of their historical years would not be made possible because of all the variation of teams, chemistry ... ect ... BUT - what a blast to see what they all could of done with new stats) ... Again, Thanks ...