would you say this guy is cheating? - Page 9

deh34 · 07-13-2003, 02:43 AM

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Originally posted by MTXperience
A wacky avatar still counts for something doesn't it?

haha thanks!!! i knew plankton was good for something...

mfitterer1 · 07-13-2003, 02:43 AM

the mlb2 sn was deleted after the first set of accusations by the admins of this site

MTXperience · 07-13-2003, 02:49 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
the mlb2 sn was deleted after the first set of accusations by the admins of this site

And I'd imagine this one won't be far behind...

mfitterer1 · 07-13-2003, 02:50 AM

nothing is proven here at all and there is no reason for this one to be deleted

Dwolfson20 · 07-13-2003, 02:56 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
nothing is proven here at all and there is no reason for this one to be deleted

Nothing proven? All those links don't mean anything? Didn't all of your members start quitting right before it got shut down? I don't think they would have quit a league that they invested a lot of time in if they didn't have any proof.

mfitterer1 · 07-13-2003, 02:58 AM

only the 2 owners quit before the site was shut down, I had people asking me what the hell was going on because they were upset the league got taken down

MTXperience · 07-13-2003, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
only the 2 owners quit before the site was shut down, I had people asking me what the hell was going on because they were upset the league got taken down

Actually... as the person who alerted all your owners to your wrong-doings on your board (You can sue me right after your one against Joe goes through), I was monitoring what was happeining on the board in question up to the minute it was taken down.

And I honestly saw 8 owners posting resignation notices as replies to that thread.

Dwolfson20 · 07-13-2003, 03:04 AM

So, Fit Dog, you plan to get some new webspace and continue your league? I can imagine you can't wait to win another Series.

deh34 · 07-13-2003, 03:04 AM

there's enough evidence that i think it's pretty much proven to everyone but you... no one just walks into an ID stealing accusation AND a cheating accusation... and even if you aren't a thief or a cheater, you obviously are conducting yourself in a way that is giving people the wrong impression, a lot. you should stop blaming everyone else, no matter how much we p**s you off, and look within yourself. that's where these problems are arising.

also, maybe if took the time to present your case in an intelligible way, we would (1) be able to understand your excuses or (2) give them any merit. editing your grammar and spelling would show that you are giving more thought and care to your explanations.

JasonP · 07-13-2003, 03:07 AM

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Originally posted by MTXperience
Actually... as the person who alerted all your owners to your wrong-doings on your board (You can sue me right after your one against Joe goes through), I was monitoring what was happeining on the board in question up to the minute it was taken down.

And I honestly saw 8 owners posting resignation notices as replies to that thread.

I was doing the same...I didn't take an exact number before I wiped it all out, but it was a lot more than just 2.

mfitterer1 · 07-13-2003, 03:11 AM

nothing should have been done without coming to me with these accusations first

Dwolfson20 · 07-13-2003, 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
nothing should have been done without coming to me with these accusations first

That's not the way it works, kiddo. If the police think somebody stole something, they don't go to his house and say, "We have some accusations that you stole this -- are these true?" No, they just arrest the guy. What do you think he would say? The truth? Of course not.

deh34 · 07-13-2003, 03:16 AM

unfortunately for you, .400 studios doesn't owe you any due process in the slightest. and seeing as how the webspace you were getting was free, you really have nothing to complain about.

John C · 07-13-2003, 03:28 AM

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Originally posted by deh34
i think the lesson learned is that you can't trust a new league started by someone with no record in this community. you can join that kind of league started by someone with like 5 posts to his name, but it's buyer beware. (and yes, i realize i don't have that many posts to my name, but i'm not out there asking 20-30 people in the community that i don't know to trust me enough to give me an hour or two a day of their time)

There are exceptions to this rule. I happen to be one of them.

There's a lot of exterior factors that go into this. For one, I'd *never* enter a league with a commissioner that conducts himself like this one has. When you're a commissioner, you're also the face of your league. You can't hold your owners to a higher standard if you don't hold yourself to one.

Being inexperienced in running a league is one thing. Being inexperienced in how to handle people is a whole new ballpark. This guy is both, and it really shows.

-John
-expects to be called something by said commish for this
-expects to find it mildly dull, and stunningly funny

JasonP · 07-13-2003, 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
nothing should have been done without coming to me with these accusations first

After learning about this game from all of my new friends here, the evidence was just too overwhelming.

And basically, the space I provided to you was free because I trusted you. You attempted to taint the image of my domain, which I take very personally because I've earned respect in my own league circles as a pretty darn good league Commissioner, but most importantly, a trustworthy Commissioner and I expect nothing less from any league's that I host on my domain.

CDL Commish · 07-13-2003, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
un guys are just stupid and only try not to believe me because it is used by you as entertainment to talk **** about me and my leagues I have ran

This is the most intelligent thing this guy has said. UN guys are a bit stupid but I would term it more of a hands tied like atmosphere. They have a bunch of countries all trying to work the system so they get what they want. This is probably why the UN can never come to a definitive agreement anymore.

Anyway, thanks for pointing that out, Michael, but I'm a bit confused as to how the UN ties into your league. Maybe you wash their car for them or something?

Eckstein 4 Prez · 07-13-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by CDL Commish
This is the most intelligent thing this guy has said. UN guys are a bit stupid but I would term it more of a hands tied like atmosphere. They have a bunch of countries all trying to work the system so they get what they want. This is probably why the UN can never come to a definitive agreement anymore.

Anyway, thanks for pointing that out, Michael, but I'm a bit confused as to how the UN ties into your league. Maybe you wash their car for them or something?

Classic!

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Originally posted by AWolfson20
That's not the way it works, kiddo. If the police think somebody stole something, they don't go to his house and say, "We have some accusations that you stole this -- are these true?" No, they just arrest the guy. What do you think he would say? The truth? Of course not.

Also right on...... I love how all the cheaters on the board always come back to one of the following excuses:

1. "You can't prove I did anything wrong." This is most common after some really choice evidence of cheating (e.g.: repeated player history, bizarre talent bumps unrecorded in player development) is uncovered. After confronted with the evidence, this is the most common response.... it's the equivalent of the police coming to a murder scene, finding someone standing over a bullet-riddled body holding a smoking gun, and having the killer say, "You didn't see me do anything. You can't prove it." Since most of these cheaters are.... putting it mildly, something less than genius in their intellectual capacity, they seem ignorant of such phenomena as cause and effect and circumstancial evidence. To them, because we weren't in their room with them when they edited the rating and such, we'll never be able to prove it.

2. "Many of my owners haven't quit the league and want me to continue." This is usually exaggerated, especially once a league's website is taken down. After all, with no league site and no forum board on which to verify this, the cheater can impute any motivation he wants to the absent owners, and will invariably take silence to mean support for the league and its cheating commissioner. Generally, this can go unchallenged, since the owners in question are usually not real active on the boards. However, it's always rather funny when a couple of them do pop up and accuse the cheater, thus neutralizing this line of argument.

3. "Everyone should have come to me first, and I could have explained it all." Yes, I'm sure Scott Peterson and O.J. Simpson say the same sorts of things..... I'd imagine even these cheaters with their slow-moving brains have concocted some kind of story to cover themselves. However, when all the evidence is in one direction, what the ridiculous cover story is doesn't really matter.

As for the Car Wash Kid specifically, he may indeed be a capable owner when left to his own devices. He certainly seems upset at the accusations, and it's entirely possible that he never actually edited talent bumps and rating changes - just resimmed until he got the results he wanted. If such is the case, he must be kicking himself now..... why should he have stopped with only 120 wins per season? He should be able to get 150, easy.

Also, the defenses ring rather hollow when just a couple months ago he was caught trying to steal IDs and had a whole series of explanations about why it happened, including.... (a) I just borrowed a license from someone in my league when my computer got reinstalled, (b) I was asking for them from owners so I could get server space, (c) I gave a friend my extra license and didn't know this was wrong, and (d) I know I said that all of the owners from my league had given away the extra copies of their license, but I didn't really mean it. The last two came after Scott Vibert copied into the thread an AIM conversation where he went begging for IDs from a member on these boards.

For all of his explanations to be true, we'd have to believe (a) he's the stupidest person on the face of the earth, and (b) he's had an astonishing sequence of bad luck and coincidences. While I have no trouble at all believing (a), (b) is something else entirely.

Finally, I'll close with a message that the CWK will be able to understand..... here you go, kid:

JDScorch · 07-13-2003, 01:24 PM

Well, that was one of the more entertaining(although a bit long honestly) threads I've read in some time. I think this youngster should spend a little less time on these boards and cheating people, and a little more time in Typing and English class. How about a capital letter now and then? There's also a Spell Check for chronic offenders. I also find the use of "****" to be particularily effective when used in every other post by this young lad(apparently the soap in the mouth wasn't used enough early in life). Always remember, school is a GOOD thing, I hope you didn't quit, thinking MLB teams would be clamoring to acquire your GMing skills. There's hope for you, if you follow a few simple steps:

1. Quit Lying

2. Own up to what you've done

3. Ask for forgiveness(higher power if you want, but I was thinking more along the lines of the 400 and OOTP community)

4. Hope that someone down the line will find it in their heart to trust you again

Good Luck, I wish you well.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 07-13-2003, 02:36 PM

Just thought I'd let everyone know..... this thread recently passed up two of the three huge JBlaze threads from Feb/March to become the third most viewed thread in the history of the online league forum (I'm excluding the rockze thread since most of in happened in OT).

Next up...... the "Elite Leagues" thread in second, then it's on to try to unseat JBlaze for the gold medal......

MTXperience · 07-13-2003, 02:47 PM

My question is... where is everyone getting the pictures? Is there a Car Wash photo web-site, dedicated to nothing but crisp clear photos of people sanitizing their automobiles?

07-13-2003, 03:04 AM	#168
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872	So, Fit Dog, you plan to get some new webspace and continue your league? I can imagine you can't wait to win another Series. __________________

07-13-2003, 01:24 PM	#178
JDScorch Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 234	Well, that was one of the more entertaining(although a bit long honestly) threads I've read in some time. I think this youngster should spend a little less time on these boards and cheating people, and a little more time in Typing and English class. How about a capital letter now and then? There's also a Spell Check for chronic offenders. I also find the use of "****" to be particularily effective when used in every other post by this young lad(apparently the soap in the mouth wasn't used enough early in life). Always remember, school is a GOOD thing, I hope you didn't quit, thinking MLB teams would be clamoring to acquire your GMing skills. There's hope for you, if you follow a few simple steps: 1. Quit Lying 2. Own up to what you've done 3. Ask for forgiveness(higher power if you want, but I was thinking more along the lines of the 400 and OOTP community) 4. Hope that someone down the line will find it in their heart to trust you again Good Luck, I wish you well. __________________ SO49 Minnesota Giants 1955, 1959, 1969 Champs MCBL Chicago White Sox 1954 amd 1956 Champs MLBC Philadelphia Phillies 1959, 1960 and 1974 Champs

07-13-2003, 02:36 PM	#179
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Just thought I'd let everyone know..... this thread recently passed up two of the three huge JBlaze threads from Feb/March to become the third most viewed thread in the history of the online league forum (I'm excluding the rockze thread since most of in happened in OT). Next up...... the "Elite Leagues" thread in second, then it's on to try to unseat JBlaze for the gold medal...... __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

07-13-2003, 02:43 AM	#162
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	the mlb2 sn was deleted after the first set of accusations by the admins of this site

07-13-2003, 02:50 AM	#164
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	nothing is proven here at all and there is no reason for this one to be deleted

07-13-2003, 02:58 AM	#166
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	only the 2 owners quit before the site was shut down, I had people asking me what the hell was going on because they were upset the league got taken down

07-13-2003, 03:04 AM	#169
deh34 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 120	there's enough evidence that i think it's pretty much proven to everyone but you... no one just walks into an ID stealing accusation AND a cheating accusation... and even if you aren't a thief or a cheater, you obviously are conducting yourself in a way that is giving people the wrong impression, a lot. you should stop blaming everyone else, no matter how much we p**s you off, and look within yourself. that's where these problems are arising. also, maybe if took the time to present your case in an intelligible way, we would (1) be able to understand your excuses or (2) give them any merit. editing your grammar and spelling would show that you are giving more thought and care to your explanations.

07-13-2003, 03:11 AM	#171
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	nothing should have been done without coming to me with these accusations first

07-13-2003, 03:16 AM	#173
deh34 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 120	unfortunately for you, .400 studios doesn't owe you any due process in the slightest. and seeing as how the webspace you were getting was free, you really have nothing to complain about.

07-13-2003, 02:47 PM	#180
MTXperience Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 372	My question is... where is everyone getting the pictures? Is there a Car Wash photo web-site, dedicated to nothing but crisp clear photos of people sanitizing their automobiles?