Historical database issues go here!

[LansdowneSt]

Former MLB Catcher, David Bell (bellda01) should have the Historical Minors ID of bell--004dav but instead has the ID of a catcher from the Indy Leagues in 2002-4. That player is bell--001dav.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=bell--004dav

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=bell--001dav

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Former MLB Catcher, David Bell (bellda01) should have the Historical Minors ID of bell--004dav but instead has the ID of a catcher from the Indy Leagues in 2002-4. That player is bell--001dav.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=bell--004dav

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=bell--001dav

This looks right to me in the database. The minor league catcher has the id: bell--001dav

The ex-MLB player has the id's bellda01 and bell--004dav.

The stats appear to be correct for both as well.

[uruguru]

When I start a 1962 save with minor leagues, reliever Don Prince (in the Cubs organization) appears twice.

Both entries for this pitcher have the same historical id ("princedo01") and the same historical minors ID ("prince001fra"). However they have different birthdates.

One of them shows a birthdate of 4/5/38, which according to bbref is correct.

[uruguru]

In 1962 save with minors, outfielder Len Tucker (historical id: 'tuckele00') is listed as Caucasian, but he was African.

Also, he had a nickname... "Lightning"

minor, I know. But it's there if you want to update it. Profile: https://attheplate.com/wcbl/profile_tucker_len.html

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by uruguru

In 1962 save with minors, outfielder Len Tucker (historical id: 'tuckele00') is listed as Caucasian, but he was African.

Also, he had a nickname... "Lightning"

minor, I know. But it's there if you want to update it. Profile: https://attheplate.com/wcbl/profile_tucker_len.html

This is absolutely the sort of thing we want to be able to get right. Thanks very much for pointing this out!

I've updated him now.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by uruguru

When I start a 1962 save with minor leagues, reliever Don Prince (in the Cubs organization) appears twice.

Both entries for this pitcher have the same historical id ("princedo01") and the same historical minors ID ("prince001fra"). However they have different birthdates.

One of them shows a birthdate of 4/5/38, which according to bbref is correct.

Fixed, thanks!

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by brady3577

Several managers are missing their historical records and stats.

Can you quote some specific examples here? That would be a big help in fixing this up.

[uruguru]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

This is absolutely the sort of thing we want to be able to get right. Thanks very much for pointing this out!

I've updated him now.

haha, we'll see about that! Thanks for fixing that one, this one is a bit more nebulous:

John Waters (historical minors id: 'waters001joh') went by "Jack" and was relatively famous for being an incredible defensive centerfielder. He was literally compared to Willie Mays by his contemporaries, but he was such a poor hitter than he never cracked the majors.

See for an example: https://www.indianagazette.com/sport...d14fcd678.html

In OOTP he gets defensive ratings akin to a corner OF, presumably because OOTP doesn't have access to defensive stats that would indicate otherwise (which is completely understandable!). Unfortunately, this means I can't play him in CF!

If OOTP has a standard set of defensive ratings for minor-league centerfielders, Waters should get it if anyone does (read that article if you don't believe me!). If you can't, I understand. But I appreciate your attention to detail so I thought I'd give you one more!

[Braden]

I am no sure where this goes, but there seems to be many issues after the latest beta.


I am playing 1932 Negro League and have set up the teams based on Seamhead rosters.


After this update I tried playing a game, here are some issues:


One player, Cool Papa Bell, is on the Detroit roster where he belongs, but his Avatar shows him in the Cleveland uniform and I can't change it.

When I played the game, it automatically when into the DH mode even though no DH was selected.


When I try to set the lineup in a team's page, it automatically sets it as for DH. There is no longer DH and non-DH lineup selections.


There is probably other stuff wrong that I haven't seen yet, as I had to give up on playing this league. I am going to try a different league I had set up.

UPDATE!

I manually set up the 1932 Negro League using the players that were in the DB and manually set up the roster IAW Seamhead data. Then backup up the league.

I loaded the backup that I saved before installing the update for this league and it works fine. I assume the problem is the buggered DB.

I understand the fixing the DB is tedious so, I will use my manual setup for a year and see what happens with OOTP 25. It was nice to see the opposing team's CF label showing above the batter was fixed. I would be nice if a fix could be made whether not to use batting helmets. A selecting of catchers masks would also be nice, as seeing 2020s style masks for historic games is weird. Both would be a nice improvement to the uniform page.

[Keef]

**********I figured out this problem, it was my mistake. I tried to delete it but haven't been able to do that, please ignore, thanks************


I don't know if this is a bug, or I'm not doing something correctly. I'm playing a historical game in the Mac version and the 1961 expansion draft has come up. I had to ask AI to set up the protection lists for all the teams and when all was submitted the start draft button is dark and I can't click on it to the start the draft. I've read through as much as I could find and tried a few things, including removing myself as GM of my team.

Also, how do I find any patches for 24? Is there anything different in the Mac version?

Any suggestions or help is most appreciated. I can't move forward in the game at all. Thanks!

[TBird]

I'm beginning to feel like a tape loop in bringing this up, but there are still unresolved roster issues, with at least one going back to OOTP23. I'm on 24, Build 60. In a nutshell using the 1935 Season:

1. The San Francisco Seals in the PCL should be an independent team, not a Dodger affiliate (Joe DiMaggio shows up on their starting lineup.) I see other minor league affiliation errors, but this is the most egregious.
2. Two players on the New York Cubans of the Negro League, Juan Santaella and Pablo Diaz, are available for purchase. Looks to be an error with their facial type.
3. Still way too many players with Major League contracts at $0. This is a big problem.

[Keef]

Hi! Thanks for your help.

[I][]"Are historical transactions/line-ups being used?"[/I]

No, I didn't select that feature


"Are there any names you can grab so there's a sampling of particular ones to check?"

Yes, Ken Boyer who's on my major league team (SF Giants) keeps showing up as a starting pitcher. Also a number of other minor leaguers including Vic Roznovsky who was a catcher, also Jim Beauchamp, Roy West, Rogers Robinson. It seems like it's mostly on my major and minor league teams.


"Also, what are the historic game settings (made for Single-Season replay or Career play)"

Single Season


"...most importantly, is it recalc-ing the player to real life stats every year or is the development engine being used instead?"

It's based on real life after each season and the potential ratings are based on the irecalculating the potential after each year. The potential ratings are based on peak seasons of the career. These issues only showed up after playing 7 seasons. Started in 1952 and showed up prior to 1959.

I've got the Mac version. And am in commissioner mode, which hasn't presented a problem in earlier seasons I've played. 2017 was the last season I played.

If there's anything I didn't address correctly or can add or clarify, please let me know. I've played OOTP before, but never had any problems where I even needed to find help about.

Thanks. again!

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by TBird

I'm beginning to feel like a tape loop in bringing this up, but there are still unresolved roster issues, with at least one going back to OOTP23. I'm on 24, Build 60. In a nutshell using the 1935 Season:

1. The San Francisco Seals in the PCL should be an independent team, not a Dodger affiliate (Joe DiMaggio shows up on their starting lineup.) I see other minor league affiliation errors, but this is the most egregious.
2. Two players on the New York Cubans of the Negro League, Juan Santaella and Pablo Diaz, are available for purchase. Looks to be an error with their facial type.
3. Still way too many players with Major League contracts at $0. This is a big problem.

I appreciate your bringing this up again, because for whatever reason I'd missed your initial comments on this.

1. The minor league affiliations are not completely historical for several reasons.

Resolving all the affiliations and adding in the missing ones is a future project we're planning to work on, but this is no different now than has been the case even since the historical minors were added back in like OOTP17.

The Seals issue does seem like it should really be fixed though, so we'll move that up higher on the list of things to get to for the next patch.

2. I already fixed Santaella and Diaz's ethnicities for next patch.

3. I'm not sure this is a bug, or if it's just a placeholder players getting the league minimum.

At any rate, it's not a db issue, so it would need to be in a regular bug report (if it isn't already, I'll check through for that tomorrow to see if we may already have logged it).

If you have some specific examples of folks who it seems shouldn't have league minimum contracts who do, then please do post those specific examples and the years where they happen and we can look into this.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Keef

Yes, Ken Boyer who's on my major league team (SF Giants) keeps showing up as a starting pitcher. Also a number of other minor leaguers including Vic Roznovsky who was a catcher, also Jim Beauchamp, Roy West, Rogers Robinson. It seems like it's mostly on my major and minor league teams.

If you want players to switch positions historically, you need to play with recalc turned on so that the game engine makes these changes automatically.

If it's turned off, then guys like Boyer import as pitchers because they had an initial minor league year where they pitched more than they hit (like Boyer in 1949/1950).

Then it's up to the dev/game engine as to whether they ever switch positions or just stay as pitchers and the game engine will more usually keep guys at their current position than switch them.

[uruguru]

In my 1962 "no minors" save, there are two entries for shortstop Elder White on the Chicago Cubs.

They both have historical ID "whiteel02", but their historical minors ID is different. One has a minors id of "white-001eld" with a birthdate of 12/23/1933. The other has a minors id of "white-001arc" with a birthdate of 12/23/1934.

According to baseball-reference, there was only one Elder White and he was born on 12/23/1933.

Hope this is enough info.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by uruguru

In my 1962 "no minors" save, there are two entries for shortstop Elder White on the Chicago Cubs.

They both have historical ID "whiteel02", but their historical minors ID is different. One has a minors id of "white-001eld" with a birthdate of 12/23/1933. The other has a minors id of "white-001arc" with a birthdate of 12/23/1934.

According to baseball-reference, there was only one Elder White and he was born on 12/23/1933.

Hope this is enough info.

Thanks, I'll fix this up.

[congokurtz]

Ben Taylor, an NeL player, from 1920-1929, played 1920 to 1923 for the Indianapolis ABCs, is not importing. I'm playing a 1 year recal with historical minors on. I tried seeing if I can import the player individually but when importing taylobe99, nothing imports. He played 3 great years for the ABCs

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by congokurtz

Ben Taylor, an NeL player, from 1920-1929, played 1920 to 1923 for the Indianapolis ABCs, is not importing. I'm playing a 1 year recal with historical minors on. I tried seeing if I can import the player individually but when importing taylobe99, nothing imports. He played 3 great years for the ABCs

Try the minor league code "taylor004ben" for importing him. Make sure on the individual player import wizard, you check the box for including players in the minor league database. The MLB IDs from bRef for NeL players don't yet work in OOTP. Even the Minor League IDs may not fully align. This was the old list that Spritze gave me for importing players using custom Minor League Codes (though Lukas may be migrating them over to better align with baseball-reference soon (or maybe he has)). In either case, Ben Taylor's code on this Excel sheet aligns with bRef.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by congokurtz

Ben Taylor, an NeL player, from 1920-1929, played 1920 to 1923 for the Indianapolis ABCs, is not importing. I'm playing a 1 year recal with historical minors on. I tried seeing if I can import the player individually but when importing taylobe99, nothing imports. He played 3 great years for the ABCs

I have been told that you will have to wait until OOTP25 before this kind of stuff gets fixed.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by congokurtz

Ben Taylor, an NeL player, from 1920-1929, played 1920 to 1923 for the Indianapolis ABCs, is not importing. I'm playing a 1 year recal with historical minors on. I tried seeing if I can import the player individually but when importing taylobe99, nothing imports. He played 3 great years for the ABCs

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Try the minor league code "taylor004ben" for importing him. Make sure on the individual player import wizard, you check the box for including players in the minor league database. The MLB IDs from bRef for NeL players don't yet work in OOTP. Even the Minor League IDs may not fully align. This was the old list that Spritze gave me for importing players using custom Minor League Codes (though Lukas may be migrating them over to better align with baseball-reference soon (or maybe he has)). In either case, Ben Taylor's code on this Excel sheet aligns with bRef.

He does use the taylobe99 MLB id, but as LansdownSt mentions, you'll probably have better success using the taylor004ben minor league id for importing him, as his stats are technically not considered MLB in the db (since the game can't deal with 2 major leagues).