2007 New York Yankees Thread

[silvam14]

As a Red Sox fan, just want to say the Yankees played a great series as if their playoff lives were on the line (they are) and I'm sickened at the offensive (both definitions apply here) effort the sox put forth when they actually got good enough pitching to win each game.

The Yankees were clearly the better team in the series. Oh yeah, and that Joba character is pretty good too.

One more thing, I hate JD Drew!

There, I feel better now

Now time to drink my night away!

[CommishJoe]

Now, how do the teams react coming out of this series? Hopefully, the Yanks can make up at least 2 games over the coming 2 weeks to put their fate into their own hands with the next BOS series. Personally, I'd rather them be only 1 out max so they have a little breathing room if possible.

Should be an interesting September

[thomamon]

OK, SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!! LOL

Nice, what does this do? The Yankees have momentum, Boston has to be disheartened just a bit after this series.

This weekend, the Yankees continue to roll. But how quickly can the Sox jump back on the right path???


My prediction, Sunday Night, Yanks 3 out!

[Tony M]

Originally Posted by silvam14

As a Red Sox fan, just want to say the Yankees played a great series as if their playoff lives were on the line (they are) and I'm sickened at the offensive (both definitions apply here) effort the sox put forth when they actually got good enough pitching to win each game.

The Yankees were clearly the better team in the series. Oh yeah, and that Joba character is pretty good too.

I concur.

It's good to see a good clean fight between two top teams...

Hopefully we'll repay the sweep in Boston next month...

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by thomamon

Now to sound disheartening, but if the Yanks stand a chance in the East, they must sweep. Bottom line

Originally Posted by thomamon

My goal is still the east, thats why I don't want to concentrate on the WC. I just want to win, win, win and the rest will take care of itself. I truly believe if we win todays game, we are gonna have a very fun September.

Originally Posted by thomamon

OK, SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!! LOL

My prediction, Sunday Night, Yanks 3 out!

You are starting to look like a good luck charm to me. Stay right here, don't go anywhere. Take no unnecessary chances. Go on vacation for the next six weeks and don't worry about the bills. Eat well, get sleep. Be cheerful and upbeat and continue to post happy things here. Think nothing but positive thoughts about the Yankees. Tell us how they are going to win this year, we want to hear it again. Happy, happy, happy, all the time!

[myasu]

Tip my hat to the Yankees.

Their starting pitchers were better than ours, (Sox starters were not bad though) specially Wang and Clemens.

The Yankees played better baseball in this series, period.

Yesterday's game was the typical.

Giambi made some pretty good plays at..., 1B, A-Rod contributing here and there by screaming like a high school girl, Jeter making some throwing errors that did not really matter while collecting 4 hits, Matsui looking like a 70 year old man with the bad knees, Wang throwing some bowling balls instead of the baseballs. (Boy they looked like rocks or something!)

I love that Joba kid!
He reminds me of young Clemens a lot.
That look on his face, the way he throws at you, and his reaction when he gets a K.

Great to see a young exciting player, no matter who he plays for.

[Tony M]

Mustn't lose sight of the fact they still have to make up 5 with only 28 to go.

If we split the next series 2-1 that'll make it 9-9 this season. If we end up on the same record does that mean the dreaded one match playoff, or is there another level of tiebreak before that?

[1998 Yankees]

21-year-old rookie Joba Chamberlain suspended and fined for throwing twice over Youkilis' head? Not hitting him, mind you, and after being ejected from the game without having been warned first.

Yes I am a Yankee fan but, too bad, I agree with Joe Torre when he says some of these umpires lack common sense. I would lump Bob Watson in that category but then I realize that he is just backing up Angel Hernandez and Derryl Cousins.

Tonight was off-limits anyway for Chamberlain, but we can only hope that he will have been unnecessary for Saturday. If they lose that game, there should be a protest lodged somewhere. With Watson? Oh. Never mind. Grrrrr.

This is the same crew that had to confer to get the call right when a runner ran out of the basepath onto the infield grass to avoid being tagged out. Took all four of 'em, but at least they got that right. The runner? Youkilis, who proceeded to argue vehemently even though replays show him tiptoeing through the tulips, so to speak. LOL.

Anyway, ejecting Chamberlain was bad enough. Fining and suspending him? He's a tough kid so it won't bother him, but he did not deserve that.

[Skipaway]

If he did hit Youkilis, the suspension would have been five games.

[myasu]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

21-year-old rookie Joba Chamberlain suspended and fined for throwing twice over Youkilis' head? Not hitting him, mind you, and after being ejected from the game without having been warned first.

Yes I am a Yankee fan but, too bad, I agree with Joe Torre when he says some of these umpires lack common sense. I would lump Bob Watson in that category but then I realize that he is just backing up Angel Hernandez and Derryl Cousins.

Tonight was off-limits anyway for Chamberlain, but we can only hope that he will have been unnecessary for Saturday. If they lose that game, there should be a protest lodged somewhere. With Watson? Oh. Never mind. Grrrrr.

This is the same crew that had to confer to get the call right when a runner ran out of the basepath onto the infield grass to avoid being tagged out. Took all four of 'em, but at least they got that right. The runner? Youkilis, who proceeded to argue vehemently even though replays show him tiptoeing through the tulips, so to speak. LOL.

Anyway, ejecting Chamberlain was bad enough. Fining and suspending him? He's a tough kid so it won't bother him, but he did not deserve that.

I agree.

Media just wanna make this a big deal to make the next Sox-Yankees series more exciting (unnecessarily)

It was a total frustration after the 3 straight losses that made Youkilis and some other Red Sox players (and a manager, I think it is pathetic. He should not have made any comments about it) made a fuss about the two pitches.

I'd say, "Just shut up and put up with the losses, and behave like a division leaders."

[Big Hugg]

Originally Posted by redsoxford

Mustn't lose sight of the fact they still have to make up 5 with only 28 to go.

If we split the next series 2-1 that'll make it 9-9 this season. If we end up on the same record does that mean the dreaded one match playoff, or is there another level of tiebreak before that?

If the Red Sox and Yankees finished tied, the first thing that becomes relevant is the Wild Card. If one team is going to be the division winner and the other is the wild card, than they use the series of tie breaks to crown the division winner. Head-to-head, in division, etc. They would not play a one game playoff in this scenario.

If the Red Sox and Yankees finished tied and another team is the Wild Card than they play a one game playoff no matter what.

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As for Joba, he either has an impressive skill to miss his location in the exact same place two times in a row or the suspension is warranted.

[1998 Yankees]

I know it happens to every team, and I know the law of averages applies. Still, I was just celebrating our luck to miss Kazmir in this series, facing three Tampa Bay pitchers with 5.50+ ERA this year.

Well, the first and third guys shut us down good. This guy today, Hammel, came into the game with one win in eight starts and an ugly 7.44 ERA. He might as well have been Santana for how good the Yankees made him look; 1 ER, 5 hits, 7 K's. Why is this?

Yeah, yeah, I answered my own question in the first sentence. Still, it's frustrating. The Yanks should be feasting.

[myasu]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

I know it happens to every team, and I know the law of averages applies. Still, I was just celebrating our luck to miss Kazmir in this series, facing three Tampa Bay pitchers with 5.50+ ERA this year.

Well, the first and third guys shut us down good. This guy today, Hammel, came into the game with one win in eight starts and an ugly 7.44 ERA. He might as well have been Santana for how good the Yankees made him look; 1 ER, 5 hits, 7 K's. Why is this?

Yeah, yeah, I answered my own question in the first sentence. Still, it's frustrating. The Yanks should be feasting.

Don't worry, you still have 3 games left against us, the Red Sox.

You will have the games against SEA, KC, TOR before the series, and we will play against TOR, BAL, TB at the same time.

If the Yankees remain 6 games back or more at the begining of the series, I think I will enjoy the series, rather relaxed.

[Jet Jones]

Hopefully TB will play against Boston like they did against the Yanks, and Baltimore won't revert to their 30 runs a game form when they play Boston.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Jet Jones

Hopefully TB will play against Boston like they did against the Yanks, and Baltimore won't revert to their 30 runs a game form when they play Boston.

When I saw your posts over on the Discussions board, I was wondering if we would see you over here, given your avatar, and here you are! Welcome.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by myasu

Don't worry, you still have 3 games left against us, the Red Sox.

You will have the games against SEA, KC, TOR before the series, and we will play against TOR, BAL, TB at the same time.

If the Yankees remain 6 games back or more at the begining of the series, I think I will enjoy the series, rather relaxed.

Who's to account for stuff like this:

Phillies sweep Mets, then lose two out of three to lowly Florida.
Mets sweep Atlanta.

Yankees sweep Boston, then lose two out of three to lowly Tampa Bay.
Boston "almost sweeps" Baltimore (the stupid Sox had to ruin the point I was trying to make by losing the first game 9-8 ).

Ah, baseball.

[Splitter24]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

This is the same crew that had to confer to get the call right when a runner ran out of the basepath onto the infield grass to avoid being tagged out. Took all four of 'em, but at least they got that right. The runner? Youkilis, who proceeded to argue vehemently even though replays show him tiptoeing through the tulips, so to speak. LOL.

The reason why Youkilis was so upset (and why Francona was later ejected) was that when the tag was attempted, Youkilis was still in the baseline. He didn't get onto the grass until after the fielder started to throw to first. Had the fielder held onto the ball and Youkilis goes into the grass, he's out. Since the Yankee player gave up on tagging Youkilis (maybe he just assumed that the umpire was going to call him out), the fact that he strayed onto the grass becomes irrelevant.

The umpire's meeting could only have been to discuss whether there was still an attempt to tag Youkilis when he went into the grass. Replays clearly show that there wasn't. The umpires actually got the call wrong.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Splitter24

The reason why Youkilis was so upset (and why Francona was later ejected) was that when the tag was attempted, Youkilis was still in the baseline. He didn't get onto the grass until after the fielder started to throw to first. Had the fielder held onto the ball and Youkilis goes into the grass, he's out. Since the Yankee player gave up on tagging Youkilis (maybe he just assumed that the umpire was going to call him out), the fact that he strayed onto the grass becomes irrelevant.

The umpire's meeting could only have been to discuss whether there was still an attempt to tag Youkilis when he went into the grass. Replays clearly show that there wasn't. The umpires actually got the call wrong.

Here's the rule:

7.08
Any runner is out when --
(a) (1) He runs more than three feet away from his baseline to avoid being tagged unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A runner’s baseline is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely;

Notice they don't say the baseline is an absolute straight line from second to third base. This is to allow for a runner rounding the second to third basepath while running hard. Youkilis was not doing this, however. His ending up on the grass was part of an evasion maneuver that already exceeded three feet from where he started, which was pretty much a straight line from second to third. The umpires were correct. It would be hard to believe that all four of them in conference could make a mistake by not knowing how to interpret this rule.

[Splitter24]

But once he was in the grass there was no tag to avoid. The fielder had already thrown (or was well into the process of throwing) the ball to first.

Again, a tag attempt was made when Youkilis was still in the baseline, which was unsuccessful.

So by the rule (and the benefit of having replays to watch), he was safe.

The umpires didn't have the benefit of replay. I guarantee the reason why it took them time to come to a decision was to determine if Youkilis had strayed out of the baseline during the attempt to make the tag. And without replay there's no way for them to know for sure. Youkilis may have thought that the fielder was still trying to tag him, which is why he let his momentum carry him onto the grass.

I'm not saying that it was a bad call. It just turned out to be the wrong one.

[1998 Yankees]

Well, I was watching the game and I assume you were too. It looked to me that Youkilis had moved out of his baseline by more than three feet as Rodriguez lunged, before his momentum carried him onto the grass. It's a judgment call about the initial position because, I we see from the rule, Youkilis could stroll onto the grass from any point there on and be within the rules. His touching the grass, though, emphasized how far he had gone to avoid the tag and that is what made the call go against him, for sure.