Time Warp Baseball

[Matt from TN]

Originally Posted by Carlton

The Kid 1st televised game...by Red Barber...I forgot lol...but what a tale of legend...did he hit a HR?

Did he ever....

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

August 1939

As if that was not enough excitement for the first game ever shown on TV, Oscar Vancini picked this day to club his 50th homerun of the season.

Also, I'll edit your grandfather's name, using Edward as a nickname....

[Kaline]

And with that World Series, Smith gains more ground on Murphy....

[Matt from TN]

1939 Postseason

World Series Champs - Brooklyn Dodgers 5th NL Pennant, 3rd WS Title

AL Champs - New York Yankees 13th AL Pennant


AL BOY: Carl "Dutch" Kahle, WSH, .319, 27 HR, 120 RBI
NL BOY: Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, BKN, .333, 59 HR, 156 RBI - His 6th BOY, a new record!

AL POY: George "The Joker" Bowers, CLE, 25-10, 3.15 ERA, 46 BB, 123 K
NL POY: Frank Smith, BKN, 23-10, 2.71 ERA, 60 BB, 166 K - His 6th POY!

AL ROY: Buddy Greenberg, NYA, 12-9, 4.38 ERA, 124 BB, 56 K
NL ROY: Guy Muir, NYG, 21-14, 4.41 ERA, 117 BB, 91 K - He set a new major league record for wins by a rookie!

AL AVG: Blake "Hitman" Crocitto, WSH, .403
NL AVG: Elmer "The Jeweler" Menard, PIT, .360

AL HR: Daniel Lutzke, CLE, 31
NL HR: Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, BKN, 59

AL RBI: Carl "Dutch" Kahle, WSH, 120
NL RBI: Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, BKN, 156

AL SB: Joe Campbell, CLE, 65
NL SB: Foglesong "Fuzz" Allen, NYG, 81 - This is a new major league record!

AL ERA: Art Booth, NYA, 2.97
NL ERA: David Wickersham, CHN, 2.52

AL Wins: George Cone, SLA and George "The Joker" Bowers, CLE, 25
NL Wins: Otto "Kaiser" Kahle, BSN and Frank Smith, BKN, 23

AL K's: Bob Guilderson, DET, 169
NL K's: Gerald Saxton, STL and David Wickersham, CHN, 185

AL Saves: Darwin Kohler, WSH, 12
NL Saves: Dale Cisek, PIT and Jesse Janetzky, BSN, 12


Major League Records

ML - 156 RBI, Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, BKN
ML - 81 Steals, Foglesong "Fuzz" Allen, NYG
ML - 21 Rookie Wins, Guy Muir, NYG

League Records

NL - 202 Walks (Pitcher), Vance Marx, PHI

Team Records

BOS - 47 Games Pitched, Don Redcloud
BOS - 27-Game Hitting Streak, Al Arsenault

BSN - 12 K's in One Game, Otto "Kaiser" Kahle

BKN - 84 K's (Batter), Jonny "Speedy" Perly
BKN - 79 Steals, Jonny Perly

CHN - 103 Walks (Batter), Dewey Mickelsen

CLE - 31 Homeruns, Daniel Lutzke

NYG - 129 RBI, "Froggy" Borgert

PHA - 7 Rookie HR, Rem Kelley

PIT - 12 Saves, Dale Cisek

STL - 14 K's in One Game, Vic Gorin

WSH - 27 Homeruns, Carl "Dutch" Kahle

Milestones

3000 Hits - Kid Fite, PHI

2000 Hits - Bill "The Imp" Sheeder, SLA
2000 Hits - Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, BOS

392/341 Homeruns - Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, BKN - In April, he passed Willard Schwarz for 1st all-time and by season's end he was nearly to 400.

359/341 Homeruns - Quenton Misisca, DET - He passed Schwarz just days after Vancini and is now #2 all-time.

600 Doubles - Quenton Misisca, DET

700 Stolen Bases - "Duckie" Andrew, CLE
700 Stolen Bases - Foglesong "Fuzz" Allen, NYG

2000 Strikeouts - David Wickersham, CHN
2000 Strikeouts - Bourbon Allen, BSN

500 Complete Games - Bourbon Allen, BSN - He will likely be the last pitcher to ever do this.


Gold Gloves

1936 American League Winners

Pitcher: Art Booth, NYA
Catcher: Harry Finley, NYA
First Base: Quenton Misisca, DET
Second Base: Pokey Dorsey, BOS
Third Base: Rollie McCord, CHA
Shortstop: Ted Stuart, SLA
Leftfield: Charles Netzer, CLE
Centerfield: Joe Campbell, CLE
Rightfield: Bill Berry, CLE

Wow! Cleveland won all 3 OF GG's!


1936 National League Winners

Pitcher: Brett Smith, CIN
Catcher: Herman Dunkel, STL
First Base: Vic Ullom, PIT
Second Base: Brad Coffenberger, BKN
Third Base: Troy Kinnear, PHI
Shortstop: Billy Alexander, BSN - 2 straight!
Leftfield: Phil Starkey, STL
Centerfield: Morton Chamblee, STL
Rightfield: Hal Smith, NYG - 3 straight!


September Awards:

American League-Pitcher of the Month:
Billy Crowell (CLE)!
He had a record of 3-1 in 5 games started, with an ERA of 1.30.

American League-Batter of the Month:
Wolter Tjeenk-Willink (WSH)!
He batted .437 in 87 AB, with 2 homers and 25 RBI.

National League-Pitcher of the Month:
Edwin Impens (BKN)!
He had a record of 4-1 in 5 games started, with an ERA of 1.84 and 3 shutouts.

National League-Batter of the Month:
Oscar "The Kid" Vancini (BKN)!
He batted .429 in 77 AB, with 8 homers and 24 RBI.

[Matt from TN]

Franchise Histories

BLUE - Won World Series
GREEN - Won Pennant but No WS Played
BLACK - Won Pennant

Boston Red Sox - 1 Pennant, 1-0 in WS, Last Pennant (1918), Last WS Title (1918)
Most Wins 81 (1928), Most Losses 93 (1936)
Winning Seasons 7, Losing Seasons 28, .500 Seasons 4
Longest Winning Streak: 1 Season
Longest Losing Streak: 12 Seasons (1906-17)
1900-10: 2-8
1911-20: 2-7-1 - 1918
1921-30: 2-5-3
1931-40: 1-8
Last 10 Seasons 1-9
Last 5 Seasons 0-5

Chicago White Sox - 6 Pennants, 1-5 in WS, Last Pennant (1938), Last WS Title (1920)
Most Wins 102 (1920), Most Losses 91 (1910)
Winning Seasons 20, Losing Seasons 19
Longest Winning Streak: 9 Seasons (1913-21)
Longest Losing Streak: 9 Seasons (1904-12)
1900-10: 1-9 - 1903
1911-20: 8-2 - 1917, 1919, 1920
1921-30: 6-4 - 1930
1931-40: 5-4 - 1938
Last 10 Seasons 6-4
Last 5 Seasons 4-1

Cleveland Indians - 5 Pennants, 2-3 in WS, Last Pennant (1916), Last WS Title (1916)
Most Wins 107 (1910), Most Losses 100 (1931)
Winning Seasons 20, Losing Seasons 17, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 13 Seasons (1906-18)
Longest Losing Streak: 6 Seasons (1927-32)
1900-10: 6-4 - 1907, 1910
1911-20: 9-1 - 1914, 1915, 1916
1921-30: 2-8
1931-40: 3-4-2
Last 10 Seasons 3-5-2
Last 5 Seasons 2-2-1

Detroit Tigers - 1 Pennant, 1-0 in WS, Last Pennant (1928), Last WS Win (1928)
Most Wins 93 (1928), Most Losses 94 (1906, 1922, 1934)
Winning Seasons 16, Losing Seasons 23
Longest Winning Streak: 5 Seasons (1901-05)
Longest Losing Streak: 8 Seasons (1932-Present)
1900-10: 5-5
1911-20: 3-7
1921-30: 6-4 - 1928
1931-40: 1-8
Last 10 Seasons 2-8
Last 5 Seasons 0-5

New York Yankees - 13 Pennants, 7-6 in WS, Last Pennant (1939), Last WS Win (1936)
Most Wins 103 (1923), Most Losses 93 (1920)
Winning Seasons 24, Losing Seasons 14, .500 Seasons 1
Longest Winning Streak: 10 Seasons (1930-Present)
Longest Losing Streak: 7 Seasons (1915-21)
1900-10: 7-3 - 1905, 1908, 1909
1911-20: 3-7 - 1911, 1912
1921-30: 5-4-1 - 1923, 1927
1931-40: 9-0 - 1931, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1939
Last 10 Seasons 10-0
Last 5 Seasons 5-0

Philadelphia Athletics - 5 Pennants, 1-4 in WS, Last Pennant (1932), Last WS Title (1906)
Most Wins 98 (1929), Most Losses 97 (1917)
Winning Seasons 21, Losing Seasons 17, .500 Seasons 1
Longest Winning Streak: 9 Seasons (1925-33)
Longest Losing Streak: 10 Seasons (1912-21)
1900-10: 8-2 - 1906
1911-20: 1-9
1921-30: 8-2 - 1925, 1926, 1929
1931-40: 4-4-1 - 1932
Last 10 Seasons 5-4-1
Last 5 Seasons 1-3-1

St. Louis Browns - 4 Pennants, 1-0 in WS, Last Pennant (1922), Last WS Title (1922)
Most Wins 89 (1904), Most Losses 98 (1930)
Winning Seasons 15, Losing Seasons 22, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 2 Seasons (1901-02, 1918-19, 1921-22, 1938-39)
Longest Losing Streak: 7 Seasons (1910-16)
1900-10: 5-5 - 1901, 1902, 1904
1911-20: 2-7-1
1921-30: 4-6 - 1922
1931-40: 4-4-1
Last 10 Seasons 4-5-1
Last 5 Seasons 3-2

Washington Senators - 4 Pennants, 3-1 in WS, Last Pennant (1937), Last WS Title (1937)
Most Wins 89 (1939), Most Losses 88 (1907)
Winning Seasons 18, Losing Seasons 19, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 4 Seasons (1921-24)
Longest Losing Streak: 6 Seasons (1927-32, 1936-Present)
1900-10: 3-6-1
1911-20: 4-6 - 1913
1921-30: 5-5 - 1921, 1924
1931-40: 6-2-1 - 1937
Last 10 Seasons 6-3-1
Last 5 Seasons 4-0-1



Boston Bees - 4 Pennants, 2-1 in WS, Last Pennant (1931), Last WS Title (1931)
Most Wins 105 (1928), Most Losses 102 (1915)
Winning Seasons 17, Losing Seasons 21, .500 Seasons 1
Longest Winning Streak: 9 Seasons (1930-1938)
Longest Losing Streak: 14 Seasons (1914-27)
1900-10: 6-4 - 1904, 1910
1911-20: 1-9
1921-30: 2-8 - 1928
1931-40: 8-0-1 - 1931
Last 10 Seasons 9-0-1
Last 5 Seasons 4-0-1

Brooklyn Dodgers - 5 Pennants, 3-2 in WS, Last Pennant (1939), Last WS Title (1939)
Most Wins 92 (1938), Most Losses 94 (1927)
Winning Seasons 22, Losing Seasons 14, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 6 Seasons (1934-Present)
Longest Losing Streak: 4 Seasons (1903-06)
1900-10: 3-7
1911-20: 7-2-1 - 1919
1921-30: 7-3 - 1926
1931-40: 6-2-1 - 1934, 1935, 1939
Last 10 Seasons 7-2-1
Last 5 Seasons 5-0

Chicago Cubs - 6 Pennants, 3-3 in WS, Last Pennant (1938), Last WS Title (1938)
Most Wins 101 (1938), Most Losses 97 (1925)
Winning Seasons 26, Losing Seasons 13
Longest Winning Streak: 14 Seasons (1901-14)
Longest Losing Streak: 6 Seasons (1922-27)
1900-10: 10-0 - 1905
1911-20: 7-3 - 1913, 1917
1921-30: 3-7
1931-40: 6-3 - 1936, 1937, 1938
Last 10 Seasons 6-4
Last 5 Seasons 4-1

Cincinnati Reds - 1 Pennant, 0-1 in WS, Last Pennant (1920)
Most Wins 92 (1927), Most Losses 95 (1906)
Winning Seasons 20, Losing Seasons 19
Longest Winning Streak: 11 Seasons (1913-23)
Longest Losing Streak: 7 Seasons (1933-Present)
1900-10: 5-5
1911-20: 9-1 - 1920
1921-30: 4-6
1931-40: 2-7
Last 10 Seasons 2-8
Last 5 Seasons 0-5

New York Giants - 4 Pennants, 2-2 in WS, Last Pennant (1922), Last WS Title (1921)
Most Wins 90 (1922, 1923), Most Losses 97 (1929)
Winning Seasons 15, Losing Seasons 21, .500 Seasons 3
Longest Winning Streak: 6 Seasons (1918-23)
Longest Losing Streak: 7 Seasons (1908-14)
1900-10: 1-8-1 - 1907
1911-20: 5-5 - 1918
1921-30: 5-5 - 1921, 1922
1931-40: 4-3-2
Last 10 Seasons 4-4-2
Last 5 Seasons 1-2-2

Philadelphia Phillies - 9 Pennants, 6-1 in WS, Last Pennant (1933), Last WS Title (1932)
Most Wins 100 (1927), Most Losses 98 (1938)
Winning Seasons 20, Losing Seasons 17, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 12 Seasons (1924-1935)
Longest Losing Streak: 9 Seasons (1915-23)
1900-10: 7-2-1 - 1901, 1902, 1903
1911-20: 1-9
1921-30: 7-3 - 1925, 1927, 1929, 1930
1931-40: 5-3-1 - 1932, 1933
Last 10 Seasons 5-4-1
Last 5 Seasons 1-3-1

Pittsburgh Pirates - 4 Pennants, 1-3 in WS, Last Pennant (1912), Last WS Win (1909)
Most Wins 92 (1908), Most Losses 103 (1928)
Winning Seasons 11, Losing Seasons 27, .500 Seasons 1
Longest Winning Streak: 5 Seasons (1908-12)
Longest Losing Streak: 7 Seasons (1913-19, 1931-1937)
1900-10: 4-6 - 1908, 1909
1911-20: 2-8 - 1911, 1912
1921-30: 2-7-1
1931-40: 1-7
Last 10 Seasons 3-7
Last 5 Seasons 2-3

St. Louis Cardinals - 6 Pennants, 2-4 in WS, Last Pennant (1924), Last WS Win (1923)
Most Wins 103 (1915), Most Losses 99 (1936)
Winning Seasons 17, Losing Seasons 18, .500 Seasons 3
Longest Winning Streak: 5 Seasons (1914-18, 1921-25)
Longest Losing Streak: 10 Seasons (1930-Present)
1900-10: 3-6-1 - 1906
1911-20: 6-2-2 - 1914, 1915, 1916
1921-30: 8-2 - 1923, 1924
1931-40: 0-9
Last 10 Seasons 0-10
Last 5 Seasons 0-5


Last Pennant:

1912 - PIT
1916 - CLE
1918 - BOS
1920 - CIN
1922 - SLA, NYG
1924 - STL
1928 - DET
1931 - BSN
1932 - PHA
1933 - PHI
1937 - WSH
1938 - CHA, CHN
1939 - NYA, BKN

Last World Series Championship:

NONE - CIN
1906 - PHA
1909 - PIT
1916 - CLE
1918 - BOS
1920 - CHA
1921 - NYG
1922 - SLA
1923 - STL
1928 - DET
1931 - BSN
1932 - PHI
1936 - NYA
1937 - WSH
1938 - CHN
1939 - BKN

[metsgeek]

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

AL BOY: Carl "Dutch" Kahle, WSH, .319, 27 HR, 120 RBI

Quietly, Dutch wins his 3rd BOY in 4 years. That's 4 years in a row for my grandfathers!

[scprideandms]

Finally Bourbon on the board for something Good!!!!!! (and twice at that)

[jdw]

Kaline wrote:

> And with that World Series, Smith gains more ground
> on Murphy....

They're tied in number of WS won - one each. Murph's 3-2 record in the series is a bit understated for how great he was in post season. The 1.00 ERA in 45 innings (complete games in all five starts) is more indicative. His teammates' errors let in all four runs he gave up in 1919 in the game he lost. The loss in Game 8 of the 1920 WS was fair and square - he gave up 2 runs in the top of the 8th to break a 1-1 pitchers duel with Granville Galvan. He did beat Galvan in two more pitchers duels in Games 2 and 5.

And of course he missed the 1917 Series due to broken finger which probably cost the Sox a world title.

Nine POY _and_ Nine ERA Titles in 10 seasons is going to be really, really, really tough to top. Even if Frank gets to 400 wins and 10 POY. That's coming from one of Frank's biggest backers as he makes his march through history. I'm rooting for him to get to 400 and 10 just because it will be great to watch. But Frank needs to add a bit more to his dominance in addition to the quantity to top Murph.



John

[jdw]

Our annual "As The Sox Middle Infield Turns" installment:

.266/.364/.358/.722 - SS Kubic (34) in 581 PA
.288/.320/.395/.714 - 2B Asher (29) in 366 PA
.351/.426/.440/.866 - 2B Henry (31) in 337 PA
.409/.458/.500/.958 - SS/2B Barton (23) in 24 PA

Asher lost his job to Henry in September... finally. Neither Kubic nor Asher repeated as Gold Glove winners. Kubic fell off massively in August and September. The continued playing of Kubic is understandable, but as the Sox spin their wheels over the 2B issue, Doc has about 45 PA in the last three years. Doc turns 24 next year and his chances of being a "star" are pretty much out the window. "Later bloomer" at best, and with his luck the Sox are likely to trade for a SS to replaces Kubic at some point.

Of course the Yankees OF continues to be an odd but productive collection. The older March and Graham continued to hold down jobs despite having down (for them) years. It's the younger Ditty and Ping who had to fight it out for the third spot, with Ping for the most part taking it in the shorts for the third straight year. Anyone remeber when Ping was a lock for 3000 hits? Heck, he went by 1500 H this season and he only turns 29 next year. But he's only added 233 to that total in the last *three years*, despite hitting .325, .372 and .335. He also looks like a guy who's going to take it in the shorts with WWII, while Moonlight (now 34) and March (now 31) will likely get their careers padded by it.

I feel for the decendant of Ping. Four 200 hit seasons supported by the age of 25 along with a pair of runner-up slots for the Batting Title, three straight SB titles, and a good peppering of the Runs leaderboard. The season after that fourth 200 hit season, he lost his job to March and never got it back.


John

[rogmax11]

Much as Im pulling for my father, I agree that the gold standard for pitchers is Murphy, and any career that equalled Murph's would almost be overkill. Its not unlike Cy Young IRL: there is something magical about that 511 number, something that would be less so if there were several pitchers that neared or equaled such a mind-boggling total. Ditto Nolan Ryan and 5714 Ks; I think that the true standout-one-of-a-kind leader is a perfect cap for most stat categories, and lends an attractive symmetry to dynastic histories.

That being said, I am deriving immense satisfaction in witnessing the ascending star that has been my fathers career. If things pan out that there is passionate debate over who was greater, given the differences in their respective eras, between Andy Murphy and Frank "I am NOT unfortunately named" Smith, then I could not be more pleased. This thread has clearly become my favorite, not just because of the foregoing, but also because of the great write-ups and reader ( this certainly means you, John ) response/interaction. I hope it is still vibrant when I get to enter stage left some decades hence.

[jdw]

Matt wrote:

> NL BOY: Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, BKN, .333, 59 HR, 156 RBI

#6 for Oscar, which is a new record. He may have another left in the holster as well, but the dreaded HR Drop should hit him right away unless Matt cooks the books.


> NL POY: "Punchy" Cote, CHN, 23-10, 2.71 ERA, 60 BB, 166 K

This are actually Frank Smith's numbers. And Frank actually won the award:

"Friday 10/6/1939: Cleveland's Bowers earns Pitcher of the Year Award

Awards may not be the most important thing for George Bowers, but Cleveland's lefty smiled as he was named the American League Pitcher of the Year Award winner. Opposing players hit .252 against George this season. While posting an ERA of 3.15 he went 25-10 in 40 starts, fanning 123 and walking 46 hitters. George has pitched 2 shutouts and 32 complete games. He's 2nd in the American League in ERA and 1st in wins! Brooklyn's right-hander Frank Smith was untouchable all year long. His work paid off today as the National League named him the Pitcher of the Year Award winner! Opposing players hit .254 against Frank this season. While posting an ERA of 2.71 he went 23-10 in 39 starts, fanning 166 and walking 60 hitters. He has 26 complete games and 3 shutouts. He's 2nd in the National League in ERA and 1st in wins! Smith wins the award for the 6th time in his 11-year career."

#6 for Frank.


> AL AVG: Blake "Hitman" Crocitto, WSH, .403

Hitman had a horrendous September for average - .256/.319/.535/.854. Seems like he got wrapped up in hitting dingers. He barely skinned the cat in staying over .400. He hit .220 in his last 10 games, and the .220 was only that high due to a 4/5 game on 9/17. In the six games after that, he went just 3/23 (.130), including a 1/15 (.067) in his final four games. One sort of gives it up to him for continuing to go out and play, but by that point it was going to be pretty hard to fall below .400.

All that said, it was a heckuva season. A 25 and 20 game hitting streak. A pair of BOM awards. It's *possible* that the injuries back in May cost him a chance at the BOY won by teammates Carl Kahle. Hitman led the league in BA, OBP, SLG, OPS and H, but the missing games held down his Runs and RBI. Dutch finished #1 in RBI, #2 in HR, #5 in BA, #3 in SLG and #4 in OPS. Actually, Wolter Tjeenk-Willink was another Senator BOY candidate, and like Hitman, he missed time due to an injury. Wolter was actually red-hot in August and September after coming back from his 7/31 hip fracture.

John

[Matt from TN]

Originally Posted by jdw

> NL POY: "Punchy" Cote, CHN, 23-10, 2.71 ERA, 60 BB, 166 K

This are actually Frank Smith's numbers. And Frank actually won the award

Where do you see Punchy as being named the 1939 POY?

[jdw]

rogmax11 wrote:

> That being said, I am deriving immense satisfaction in
> witnessing the ascending star that has been my
> fathers career.

Yeah, it's super cool to watch.

I think there's little doubt that Frank & Oscar are the best Pitcher & Hitter Combo in the history of the game. There were several years where Murph & Jed were the best in the AL, and Presto & Woody, but not as many as Frank & Oscar. Presto & Woody had the disadvantage of their careers not overlapping perfectly - Woody was a decent amount older.

I don't think there's a MLB equiv quite as good as Frank & Oscar for quite as long.


John

[jdw]

Matt wrote:

> Where do you see Punchy as being named the 1939 POY?

In your "1939 Postseason" post made above and that I quoted.

"1939 Postseason

World Series Champs - Brooklyn Dodgers 5th NL Pennant, 3rd WS Title

AL Champs - New York Yankees 13th AL Pennant


AL BOY: Carl "Dutch" Kahle, WSH, .319, 27 HR, 120 RBI
NL BOY: Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, BKN, .333, 59 HR, 156 RBI

AL POY: George "The Joker" Bowers, CLE, 25-10, 3.15 ERA, 46 BB, 123 K
NL POY: "Punchy" Cote, CHN, 23-10, 2.71 ERA, 60 BB, 166 K"

Edit it to make it Frank Smith, BRK. Along with notes of "His 6th POY!" and one for Oscar: "His 6th BOY - a new record!" The Gold Glove guys shouldn't get all the glory~!

John

[Matt from TN]

done... what a buffoon....

[jdw]

Matt wrote:

> done... what a buffoon....

Hey... that's not a very nice thing to say about our beloved Commissioner! He's got a lot of things on his table right now.




John

[Kaline]

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

done... what a buffoon....

Stop giving Buffoons a bad name

The thing with Smith is, he won game 7 in great fashion (not just that his team won, its the game 7 thing, do that too your opponent too win the series.. Like Koufax is '65..fairly sure it was '65).

Also, he has a shot at 11 or 12 PoY awards. While its by no means a lock, with the 6 he has now, he could pick up 1 or 2 in '40 and '41. Depending on if he goes to war, if he doesnt he COULD pick up 4 straight.

Is 9 PoY in 10 years better than 11 in 14 years (not sure the exact year he got is first), PLUS 400+ wins?

[m0ng00se]

It was nice to see Willie Young go an entire year without being sent down. He managed a .270 avg. But, he only got in 74 at bats. That IF in Pittsburgh is still crowded with talent. So, Willie is looking stuck for now unless Pirate's GM wakes up and makes some trades this off season.

[jdw]

m0ng00se wrote:

> It was nice to see Willie Young go an entire year
> without being sent down. He managed a .270 avg.
> But, he only got in 74 at bats. That IF in Pittsburgh
> is still crowded with talent. So, Willie is looking stuck
> for now unless Pirate's GM wakes up and makes some
> trades this off season.

I'm telling you, Goose... this Conspiracy Against The Class Of '34 is getting more and more true every season. Or, to quote a wise (though certainly controversial) man:


"Just 'cuase you're paranoid
don't mean they ain't out to get you."
-The Hardcore Troubadour


John

[Carlton]

Originally Posted by rogmax11

Much as Im pulling for my father, I agree that the gold standard for pitchers is Murphy, and any career that equalled Murph's would almost be overkill. Its not unlike Cy Young IRL: there is something magical about that 511 number, something that would be less so if there were several pitchers that neared or equaled such a mind-boggling total. Ditto Nolan Ryan and 5714 Ks; I think that the true standout-one-of-a-kind leader is a perfect cap for most stat categories, and lends an attractive symmetry to dynastic histories.

That being said, I am deriving immense satisfaction in witnessing the ascending star that has been my fathers career. If things pan out that there is passionate debate over who was greater, given the differences in their respective eras, between Andy Murphy and Frank "I am NOT unfortunately named" Smith, then I could not be more pleased. This thread has clearly become my favorite, not just because of the foregoing, but also because of the great write-ups and reader ( this certainly means you, John ) response/interaction. I hope it is still vibrant when I get to enter stage left some decades hence.

I STILL say...you HAVE to give your Dad a nickname

One of the best pitchers of all time can't be just named Frank Smith...maybe cyclone...or rubber arm or something!

[tward13]

jdw - Steve Earle! I like you even better.