Official Rolen/Cubby Roster Thread

[mattkma]

Did you go through every team and allow the AI to make changes one ach team? I had that problem, made that switch, and all was well.

Matthew

[Hotwheelz]

No, I didnt. I really didnt want to have to go through that much trouble just to get a roster up and running.

[mattkma]

At the most it takes 4 or 5 minutes to accomplish.

[CubbyFan23]

Or you can do it from the league setup screen, under other options I believe, allow CPU managers to make moves.

[chaerulez]

Kind of amazing to the extent people will gripe about a free roster set isn't it?

[kingofdmv]

Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

No, I didnt. I really didnt want to have to go through that much trouble just to get a roster up and running.

Yeah, heaven forbid you have to do ANY work to get the rosters the way you like them. In fact I demand Rolen and Cubby, in addition to making the rosters, sim the next 10 years for me so I don't have to do anything. Just send me the file when you're done!

BTW, thanks to both Rolen and Cubby for the great rosters so far. I would have quit long ago.

[Hotwheelz]

Yeah. Sorry. I wasnt trying to gripe. Im a huge fan of fictional rosters and as much as I admire Cubby for putting as much work into the roster set as he has....its going to take quite a bit to change my mind. That has nothing to do with the work he has done.

I have two kids that wanted to play in the sprinkler and my plan was to unzip the rosters and sim a few seasons while we ran out there. As impatient as they are...4-5 minutes is a bit much.

I apologize if I came across as griping. Its a small thing, sure. I was more frustrated with the kids than anything else. So Cubby, I am sorry if I sounded like I was griping about your free roster set that you have put so much work into.


(And BTW, I wasnt aware that you could click one button to change the setting. I only knew you had to go through each team and click the box. Like I said, I needed to get outside quick.)

[Hotwheelz]

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Or you can do it from the league setup screen, under other options I believe, allow CPU managers to make moves.

Thanks.

My only issue now is that I cannot create a GM. Everytime I do I get a message saying something is trying to connect to the internet (through ZoneAlarm) and when I allow this the game crashes. This is to the roster set out of the box. No changes made. I wanted to create a GM then go through and change all the settings but for some reason I cannot do this.

[White Sox]

You apologetic liberal-types make me sick. Just because Cubby is doing us a favor by creating this roster doesn't mean he is free from criticism. THe fact remains that as the game was nearing its final release, Cubby made several posts that made it seem like this thing was a few weeks at most away from being released...but as time goes by, that release date just keeps getting pushed farther and farther back. I understand this thing takes time, but many people, including myself, were under the impression that they would have a roster set available to play at a time virtually coinciding with the game's release, and we have been sorely let down. Now, with my understanding, Cubby still has three to four levels of minor leagues still to complete. I think we will be lucky to have this thing by the start of the playoffs. Not complaining about the length of time being taken to create, complaining about the failure to openly communicate with the community how long this thing was and is in the making.

[Dr. P.R. Park III]

I don't think Hunter S. Thompson would have appreciated that. Or, do you like Richard Nixon?

[White Sox]

Originally Posted by Dr. P.R. Park III

I don't think Hunter S. Thompson would have appreciated that. Or, do you like Richard Nixon?

For the record, HST wasn't really a liberal in the truest sense.. He was a self-proclaimed Green Party affiliate - a supporter of social justice, if nothing else.

EDIT: But if there's something the Good Doctor would have no part of, it was soft, invertebrate, PC lovers like all of you seem to be. God forbid Cubby, or Mark and Markus for that matter, should incur any kind of wrath or criticism from the people who use their products.

[Dr. P.R. Park III]

Oh really? I find that extremely hard to believe, for he didn't care for any party really, especially the Republicans. I'm glad that is "for the record", but the day HST is applied to this "record" will be a sad one, for if we agree on one thing, it would be that he's far beyond anykind of "record" in existence.

[White Sox]

Originally Posted by Dr. P.R. Park III

Oh really? I find that extremely hard to believe, for he didn't care for any party really, especially the Republicans. I'm glad that is "for the record", but the day HST is applied to this "record" will be a sad one, for if we agree on one thing, it would be that he's far beyond anykind of "record" in existence.

When I say he wasn't a liberal, I mean to say he certainly was no Democrat. He was certainly a libertarian. In "Kingdom of Fear", he openly endorsed Ralph Nader, of the Green Party.

[turdfurgeson]

Originally Posted by Waninski

EDIT: But if there's something the Good Doctor would have no part of, it was soft, invertebrate, PC lovers like all of you seem to be. God forbid Cubby, or Mark and Markus for that matter, should incur any kind of wrath or criticism from the people who use their products.

Then comlain to Marc and Makus, they issued a "product" that you had to pay your money for, and mislead you to believe that a roster set would be complete at the same time.

But get off the back of the ones who are offering a free service by contributing their time and putting up with the complaints of a few who feel entitled to a roster set. Your attempts to cloak your complaints about this issue by making yourself the lone person who can see through the "apologetic liberal types" and cast yourself as some sort of righteous character who can see through the B.S. is sad and annoying.

If you are really this upset about it, I am sure that Cubby/Rolen have a much more liberal policy regarding refunds for their roster set.

[White Sox]

Originally Posted by turdfurgeson

Then comlain to Marc and Makus, they issued a "product" that you had to pay your money for, and mislead you to believe that a roster set would be complete at the same time.

But get off the back of the ones who are offering a free service by contributing their time and putting up with the complaints of a few who feel entitled to a roster set. Your attempts to cloak your complaints about this issue by making yourself the lone person who can see through the "apologetic liberal types" and cast yourself as some sort of righteous character who can see through the B.S. is sad and annoying.

If you are really this upset about it, I am sure that Cubby/Rolen have a much more liberal policy regarding refunds for their roster set.

It wasn't so much Marc or Markus as Cubby who claimed that his own roster would be available within a few weeks. I am mad that he either a) didn't have the insight as to how long it was really going to take him, or b) the sense to know that there may be some hiccups along the way that disrupt what ever kind of release date he ever had in mind, and as a way to combat that, not even give any kind of hope that the roster was imminent in any way, which he failed to do.

I think my perception is piercing the BS pretty well. I can't stand lies and false hopes, and that's exactly what Cubby fed us.

And what exactly does that last sentence mean? Liberal refund policy? I thought these rosters were free (and therefore free from criticism...because after all, a free product gives Cubby the freedom to release his product whenever he pleases, regardless of what kind of release date he alludes to).

EDIT: I want you people to understand that the lack of a complete roster set isn't fueling my frustration right now. It's all of you people who think these creators are some sort of godlike figures who are above any ribbing. If they screw up, they deserve to hear about it. And who better to voice discontent than the users of their products?

[APujols5]

Originally Posted by Waninski

It wasn't so much Marc or Markus as Cubby who claimed that his own roster would be available within a few weeks. I am mad that he either a) didn't have the insight as to how long it was really going to take him, or b) the sense to know that there may be some hiccups along the way that disrupt what ever kind of release date he ever had in mind, and as a way to combat that, not even give any kind of hope that the roster was imminent in any way, which he failed to do.

I think my perception is piercing the BS pretty well. I can't stand lies and false hopes, and that's exactly what Cubby fed us.

And what exactly does that last sentence mean? Liberal refund policy? I thought these rosters were free (and therefore free from criticism...because after all, a free product gives Cubby the freedom to release his product whenever he pleases, regardless of what kind of release date he alludes to).

EDIT: I want you people to understand that the lack of a complete roster set isn't fueling my frustration right now. It's all of you people who think these creators are some sort of godlike figures who are above any ribbing. If they screw up, they deserve to hear about it. And who better to voice discontent than the users of their products?

Then maybe you should pay Cubby to make the rosters so he doesn't have any other concerns that can come up. and if there's a problem in the game like crashing or something, why don't you program the fixes for him as well.
or better yet, you sit in front of your computer 24/7 and make a roster all of your own.

and to finish off this, Actually Yes, Cubby can choose to release the final set whenever he chooses, or for that matter never if he tires of this crap

[GForce]

Originally Posted by Waninski

It wasn't so much Marc or Markus as Cubby who claimed that his own roster would be available within a few weeks.

Link?

I think my perception is piercing the BS pretty well.

Funny...I think your perception that you have any idea what you're talking about IS the BS.

I can't stand lies and false hopes, and that's exactly what Cubby fed us.

Again, link? Also, to be clear, you're saying Cubby CONSCIOUSLY LIED about the roster set's release? Just want to be clear.

And what exactly does that last sentence mean? Liberal refund policy? I thought these rosters were free

Why am I not surprised the sarcasm flew miles over your head?

GH

[APujols5]

Originally Posted by GForce

Link?



Funny...I think your perception that you have any idea what you're talking about IS the BS.



Again, link? Also, to be clear, you're saying Cubby CONSCIOUSLY LIED about the roster set's release? Just want to be clear.



Why am I not surprised the sarcasm flew miles over your head?

GH

Actually to be fair, Cubby did say they would be out around the release time once upon a time.

[GForce]

Originally Posted by APujols5

Actually to be fair, Cubby did say they would be out around the release time once upon a time.

Since I called him out on the post, I suppose I should post the link myself since I found it.

From Cubby on May 31:

Erich has already created all of the players that were on every MLB and minor league roster right now, and the only other part we have to do is go through and get everyone at the correct levels and ratings correct. They look VERY good right now as is though. I'm crunching until release to try and get something put together, though I doubt it will be ready by then. But I doubt the first release will be much after today.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...se#post1684944

Then Erich posted on June 4 (the first post in this thread):

"As for a release date, I do want to say it will be very soon for the first version to come out for it."

OK, so should they have said that? Perhaps not. But they did, so live with it. Things come up, you find things that didn't work as you planned. You run a calculation that upon further review skews numbers a bit.

This game doesn't have a DangerZ editor (High Heat) where, if you make a mistake, you can go in and hit global edit to fix your mistake on everybody in one shot. It would be nice, but it doesn't. So, basically, if you're not right on with your first shot, it all needs to be fixed. And when you're doing it with a brand new game/new engine, things are going to come up that you probably didn't expect.

I say this as a longtime roster maker for OOTP, High Heat and MVP (whether that carries any weight or not with any of you, so be it, but if you know my work I like to think it carries some): Doing rosters WELL (not just doing them, anybody can do that) takes time...REAL time. If these guys released something quick and ratings or whatever were off, you guys would complain. If they take time to get them right, you complain how long it takes. Other than enjoyment of doing it, there is no win for the roster maker. None. And constant complaints and badgering of something they are doing for fun sucks that enjoyment out of it really quick.

This may make some people think ill of me, but what the heck, some do anyway: The reason I'm not doing Totalminors this year is because when Markus/Marc and I talked about it, I told them the only way I'd do it again was if I was paid. SI didn't want to pay, and that is absolutely their call and one they had every right to make (and this is in NO way a criticism of them for that, so please don't take it as such). But a current-day roster has day-to-day urgency from users, it has deadlines in the user's mind if no one else's. Therefore, it has pressure. With kids, jobs and real-life duties, meeting deadlines with top-quality work, and doing so for free, is asking a lot. It just is, and if you don't think it is, then you've never tried to do it.

I understand eagerness. I understand anticipation. I even understand, to a degree, frustration. But understand the perspective of the guys doing the work as well before you throw charges of lies, deceit and the like.

Cubby/Rolen, sorry if this post wasn't my place, but the roster thing matters to me...been there, done that, and I know what goes into it. I just felt I needed to make a legit comment on it instead of just firing sarcasm at those ripping you. Maybe this will help. Maybe it'll just fall on deaf ears. I tried.

Good luck, whenever you get it done.

GH

[CubbyFan23]

Originally Posted by Waninski

It wasn't so much Marc or Markus as Cubby who claimed that his own roster would be available within a few weeks. I am mad that he either a) didn't have the insight as to how long it was really going to take him, or b) the sense to know that there may be some hiccups along the way that disrupt what ever kind of release date he ever had in mind, and as a way to combat that, not even give any kind of hope that the roster was imminent in any way, which he failed to do.

I think my perception is piercing the BS pretty well. I can't stand lies and false hopes, and that's exactly what Cubby fed us.

And what exactly does that last sentence mean? Liberal refund policy? I thought these rosters were free (and therefore free from criticism...because after all, a free product gives Cubby the freedom to release his product whenever he pleases, regardless of what kind of release date he alludes to).

EDIT: I want you people to understand that the lack of a complete roster set isn't fueling my frustration right now. It's all of you people who think these creators are some sort of godlike figures who are above any ribbing. If they screw up, they deserve to hear about it. And who better to voice discontent than the users of their products?

I'm done, build the rosters yourself.

For some reason you still haven't responded to my offer. We botched one release date and I have said for the last two to three weeks that there would be a MLB release by July 4 (which we released July 6) and then varying levels of minors after that.

Unless you are a complete idiot, it is not hard to comprehend.

However, obviously you are.

Give me your AIM and I will send you what I have done, and then it'll be on you to complete them. I am completely and 100 percent serious about this. But I'm sure you won't take me up on it, because you are too much of a complainer and not a do'er to do anything yourself, God forbid.

I'm sick and tired and done with types like you. I'm done.