It's the Last Friday In March!!!

[glanville4mvp]

And as I said, JD, OOTP5 is the latest release of the game at this current time.

[Jack Bauer]

I'm not sure why it took me so long to figure this out but here goes:

2 observations about you, you HAVE to be "right" (a few times you have admitted an error but typically you come back with some other "point or excuse" and you have to have the LAST word.

I'm sure we all know these folks, work with one, live with one, have a neighbor who's one or are one ourselves......quite obnoxious which has been proven here beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Big flaw in just about every post is that in probably 80-90% of the cases a game like OOTP wouldn't even be looked at PERIOD by a person who buys MVP, Madden, etc...... Two reasons, the game ISN'T on the shelves at EB and "most" of the folks buying those games want graphics.

So you have a "tiny" point...not this huge, gigantic one which you seem to think.

[gmo]

Originally posted by AnotherAlias
wtf? Are there any cliff notes? This thread seems a little long.

Your opinion that it is it is long offends me. Offer proof to backup your claim.

Btw, last year I bookmarked the following as my OOTP homepage and it shows OOTP5 prominently: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/ootp/. Since some V6 stuff is on there I didn't know I should lop off that end ootp/ part. Maybe others did the same.

[Mike D]

JD, it would be in your best interest to not refer to it as a late release date, but just a later release. They gave an approximation to a date, not a firm one, so to say they have a late release date is incorrect. To keep saying that it's late is going to just keep the people coming after you. Having MVP baseball out already and a later release for ESPN isn't going to prevent me from buying ESPN, it only made me want it even more. After seeing the turd that EA laid, in my honest opinion, I hope that all the baseball games this year take their time and get their features right. EA made a serious mistake in MVP this year by including manager mode in the game without making it sound. I'l give you 2 examples for you to try. Play a game in Manager Mode, and make a Double switch. You can't do it. Also, play a game or two, and count up how many times a run will score after the 3rd out is commited in an inning.

I wish that OOTP was out already. Hell, I'm sure that 95% of the people who frequent these boards do, but I can wait. I have no problem waiting for the game to come out because Markus and Co. haven't disappointed me yet. Like I said before, I'm sorry that your disappointed with the fact the game is not out yet, but there was no timetable for them to have already missed, and who knows, maybe they will still surprise us with a release before April 4th.

[jdbolick]

glanville4mvp:
True, but surely you can admit that's a pretty weak justification. How many other sites feature year old games until the last minute? There are probably some of those too, but it obviously isn't good business practice. I'm more inclined to think that it's the result of laziness than trying to deceive people who aren't that familiar with OOTP to buy 5 without realizing that it's an old game.


Mike D:
Actually my wording is pretty much indisputable since Henry accidentally let the cat out of the bag by saying: "the release of ITP delayed OOTP to some time after the release date that would have been usually expected." It's not even possible to explain how that means anything other than "late." And your evaluation of MVP Baseball is extremely suspect. The game has received very high marks from all quarters, and I haven't experienced the 3rd out error you're talking about even after 40+ games. I haven't tried the manager mode, but I wouldn't be surprised about minor bugs there since it and the minor league additions are something new for the franchise, but they're steps in the right direction. Seriously, look around at various reviews if you don't believe me about MVP's ratings. My guess is that you're one of those "hardcore" texters who probably hates EA and thus doesn't give the game a fairshake. I thought Triple Play was an enormous piece of crap, and last year's MVP was only adequate, but this version is the best baseball game I've seen on a console. (ESPN might beat it, but I've heard mixed things)


Oh, and judging by some of the comments I've received, the dissatisfaction with both OOTP in general and this message board is much larger than perhaps any of you regulars realize. You guys may have intimidated or frustrated people into silence, but you're not doing the game you supposedly love any favors.



Anyway chaps, it's been a decent amount of fun, but it's past my bed-time and I can't imagine that I'll be interested in continuing this tomorrow or any other point in the future. Sorry to those planning witty comebacks I won't be around to read. Thanks to those who expressed support and understanding publicly and privately, and thanks to those who disagreed intelligently. I really do think, though, that some of you should put your foot down to stop the trolls from attacking everyone who utters a negative peep about the game. It's not going to help the game's long-term prospects if potential customers keep being driven away. Oh, and Dale And Eli's Dad, isn't a little embarassing that you spent all that time and energy desperately trying to make me look bad when it took Mike D just one post to raise some legitimate questions about my argument? Maybe it's in your interests to give up trying to be clever and focus on understanding the relevant points. You might be more successful that way.

'night gents.

[Andy]

Originally posted by jdbolick
I can't imagine that I'll be interested in continuing this tomorrow or any other point in the future.

thank god

[treedom]

my money is on jdbolick making double-a by the end of this

[Mike D]

Originally posted by AKOleander
Looks flame free to me Mike D, nice post.....

Thanks AK, I tried my best to keep it that way.

[Eric]

I had shrimp burrito today.

Oh, i thought this was the lunch thread. it seemed long enough. sorry about it.

[markprior22]

Originally posted by AKOleander
thank god

[mking55]

Originally posted by jdbolick
the dissatisfaction with both OOTP in general and this message board is much larger than perhaps any of you regulars realize. You guys may have intimidated or frustrated people into silence, but you're not doing the game you supposedly love any favors.

This unfortunately is the truest thing posted in this overly long thread.

[treedom]

it's not friday anymore

[statfreak]

Originally posted by mking55
This unfortunately is the truest thing posted in this overly long thread.

Actually it's not, but knowing you this comment is not surprising.

What that jd guy simply refuses to understand is that the game is not late. They stated a time frame for it's release. We are still 2 weeks from that date. Only until Opening day has passed can we even consider OOTP6 to be late... even then we need to give them an additional week or two because the only stated release date was AROUND opening day.

Also, read all his posts... he clearly contradicts himself, backpedals, and makes excuses. You could even say he blatantly lies about what he had previously written. Not surprising he has already indicated he will give a false and potentially libelous review of the game.

I've never wished Malleus Dei was still here more than I do right now....

[glanville4mvp]

I still don't believe his review will be seen anywhere. I don't doubt that he's a freelance writer but as he said, he's written columns for fantasy baseball magazines, not gaming magazines. I think he just was using that "writing a review" line to try to gain some leverage and command respect.

[wireman]

I've been looking over this thread (what I hadn't already seen before I had to go to back to work).

It's amazing.

This thread goes on for about a gazillion posts and all it is, minus the various insults, is: "The game is late. No it's not. Yes it is. No it's not. Yes it is. No it's not. Yes it is. No it's not..."

Well, you get the idea.

It looks to me like jdbolick just didn't have anything to do all day, so he passed the time yanking everybody about this.

Personally, I have absolutely no interest in whether anybody thinks it's on time, early, or late. Nobody's promised me anything about when it will be out, so when it's out, that's when it's supposed to be out. I'll leave it to OOTP to worry about whether this is a good business practice; all I do is play the game.

Now, if anybody thinks the game is late, I guess, for you, it is. But it seems to be in the nature of these artistic/tech endeavors that they're either late or they're buggy or both. And somebody's going to complain in any event.

In my view, there are things that have to be on time and they have to be right, or the planes crash or the shuttle blows up or the patients die or something like that. Well, God help people who have to be that perfect. But this is just a game.

Anyway, I've preordered and I'm looking forward to the game. I'd love for it to be done as soon as possible, but I'm as patient as the next guy. If the next guy is jdbolick, well, maybe more so.

[TotalEnd98]

Sweet fancy Moses, I wish Malleus Dei were still around.

[IatricSB]

People like JD never cease to amaze me. They seem to think that by saying the same thing over and over and over again ad nauseum that it will somehow magically make everyone agree with them. Then their patented comment is to say that people are either not reading or understanding what they say. News flash.... we read, we understand, but not all agree. My suggestion would be to take a step back and ask yourself simple questions.... could I maybe be wrong? Is it possible that others may have viewpoints that disagree with my own and are they allowed to exercise the freedom of having their own viewpoint.

But the JD types seem to think that their view is right and that it can be brow beaten into others until they conform to their views. My suggestion for your own personal growth would be to take a look at the world around you and realize that a) others may have views different than your own, b) sometimes your viewpoint may actually (shudder) be wrong or skewed, and c) just because people don't agree with you does not mean that they can't read what you write or comprehend what you say, but rather they just disagree.

[Tavarin]

JD: There are a good amount of bugs in MVP such as minor leaguers vanishing in Dynasty mode, stuttering in the PC version with top of the line computers, Controllers not working in the PC version, left handed batters hitting for a lot less power, and other bugs like that. A couple more weeks of work on MVP would have been very good. Plus, they only have rosters from 1/15

[Claybor]

Does anyone remember that this is a game? It is not the most important thing in the world.

Cant we all just get along, or agree to disagree?

[Night2000]

Well Mr. jdbolick I find it interesting you say you won't be responding anymore. I feel you probably will, and if not at least you will be reading the rest of these threads. Either way I just wanted to address the point you made where you say EA listened to their customers and dumped Triple Play for MVP. Yeah EA was so responsive to their customers. How many incarnations of Triple Play did people have to endure before they finally dumped that piece of crap? Year after year they kept coming out with a new version. If OOTP played as crappy as Triple Play and the people had to endure year after year of the same garbage. There would be no OOTP today. Also you mention in another post that MVP may be buggy in the manager mode. Well guess what EA probably won't fix any minor bug. You will just have to wait for next years MVP to see if they get fixed. There is no comparison to customer support when it comes to EA vs. OOTP

You also say OOTP is late and that this will hurt them if they want to grow into a bigger company. I brought up the fact that you clearly avoided that OOTP does not come out with *real rosters*.
So why is it that you feel the game should be released before the start of the 2004 baseball season? MVP 2004 on the other hand has to live up to their name and had to come out either before or during the start of the season. Not to mention the fact that they have a MLB license, that OOTP doesn't.

It seems what you are really pissed off about is the fact that the company didn't specifically apologize for being later than usual. You obviously have trouble with the slogan it will be out when it's ready and not before. Well guess what I don't particularly like that answer myself. So I can see where you would get annoyed at the way the company is handling this. Still if you weigh the good and the bad. There is no comparison it's mostly all good. Still I stand by my statement that OOTP6 is more a fictional career game, and really doesn't need to be released on, or near opening day. If it was named OOTP 2004 then I would say you have more of a point. Anyway since you won't be replying anymore. I know you will at least read this.