Historical minor leagues

[bwburke94]

Originally Posted by Habsfan18

Wouldn't the unaffiliated clubs try to sign players though? I remember one patch released in 16 where the Red Sox and Mariners DSL clubs were accidentally left unaffiliated in the QuickStart and this lead to those teams signing solid MLB players and basically finishing the season undefeated.

I would hope this won't happen with these unaffiliated clubs.

They will probably try to sign players. As long as they don't sign experienced major leaguers, this should work fine, but given the Boston 2/Seattle 2 incident I'm not so sure...

[tejdog1]

Just to clarify since I'm not 100% sure.

If I start, lets say... a 2004 Mets dynasty, I'll have Wright in Binghamton, Kazmir in St. Lucie, and Reyes in Norfolk, right?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by tejdog1

Just to clarify since I'm not 100% sure.

If I start, lets say... a 2004 Mets dynasty, I'll have Wright in Binghamton, Kazmir in St. Lucie, and Reyes in Norfolk, right?

Basically yes. Kazmir might be in Capital City or Wright in Norfolk or whatever but that's the general idea.

[CarolinaSoxfan]

Originally Posted by Caporegime

Brien Taylor....No matter how many years go by, that name still fills me with a sense of dreadful longing for what could have been.

From K's to crack. Sad stuff.

Ex-New York Yankees prospect Brien Taylor sentenced to prison

Is it wrong that I want to take a chance on him with the Red Sox and watch him blossom into the greatest pitcher of all time? :-)

[RMc]

I salute your effort. However, I must caution you that there are issues with the records of some clubs due to inconsistencies in sources.

You ain't kidding, brother. The spreadsheet I posted is pretty much a first draft; it's still very much a work in progress. (It's fun, tho...)

As far as historical minor leaguers go, I want to see Alfredo Edmead make the majors. (And live a long, happy life.)

[OmahaReynolds]

Will the old classifications be included, like B, C and D?

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by OmahaReynolds

Will the old classifications be included, like B, C and D?

Yes.

[Habsfan18]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

They will probably try to sign players. As long as they don't sign experienced major leaguers, this should work fine, but given the Boston 2/Seattle 2 incident I'm not so sure...

That's what I'm concerned about. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled we're getting historical minors, but that will take away from it a bit for me if that becomes a big problem. I don't want to see unaffiliated minor league teams signing MLB calibre talent. It will take away from the realism.

[rjl518]

i have a classic league that is in the year 1917 right now...i have created three minor league levels...

if import this game in OOTP17 before the start of the 1918 season, delete the minors i already have, when the game reaches 1919, will the historical minors appear at that time?

[thehef]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

I haven't actually tested it yet, but I believe you'd be playing with MLB from 1901-1918 just like in OOTP now and then once you hit 1919 the game will expand to include the minors.

The minors as of 1919-1926 will just start with one league, the Texas League. In 1927 the International League is added, in 1930 the Western League and then things really start to explode from there.

So if you are in in the late-20's and the (presumably full, in terms of franchises) Texas and International Leagues are present, but only a few of them are affiliated with MLB teams, to what teams do future major leaguers - of MLB franchises that do NOT have a MiLB affiliate - import?

[Hammercraft]

Are all these minor leaguers who don't make it pre-coded somehow to self destruct, or do they have a shot to make a career?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by thehef

So if you are in in the late-20's and the (presumably full, in terms of franchises) Texas and International Leagues are present, but only a few of them are affiliated with MLB teams, to what teams do future major leaguers - of MLB franchises that do NOT have a MiLB affiliate - import?

Good question, I don't know.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Hammercraft

Are all these minor leaguers who don't make it pre-coded somehow to self destruct, or do they have a shot to make a career?

No self destruction, they have a shot!

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Hammercraft

Are all these minor leaguers who don't make it pre-coded somehow to self destruct, or do they have a shot to make a career?

I would think it would depend on whether you play with recalc on or off. If you play with it off and development on, I don't see why they wouldn't have a shot.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by thehef

So if you are in in the late-20's and the (presumably full, in terms of franchises) Texas and International Leagues are present, but only a few of them are affiliated with MLB teams, to what teams do future major leaguers - of MLB franchises that do NOT have a MiLB affiliate - import?

If they do not appear in a minor league/year that has at least one affiliated team they will first appear as in OOTP16, as major leaguers.

[Bigrod]

Originally Posted by tejdog1

Just to clarify since I'm not 100% sure.

If I start, lets say... a 2004 Mets dynasty, I'll have Wright in Binghamton, Kazmir in St. Lucie, and Reyes in Norfolk, right?

As long as the data I sent was formatted correctly...Yes absolutely.

It's mostly earlier yrs. where the players start/end dates for each team they played for that year wasn't available is where they may start with the wrong team.
We use Stints (which are determined by the start and end dates they played for any given team) to determine which team a player starts with.

For example:
If Wright played for Binghamton from 4-7-2004 to 6-7-2004 and played for St. Lucie from 6-8-2004 to 9-3-2004
Stint 1 would be Binghamton and Stint 2 would be St. Lucie. So he would import with Binghamton.
Now if we didn't have dates, then this could be reversed depending on how well we guesstimated.
Hope this makes sense.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Spritze

If they do not appear in a minor league/year that has at least one affiliated team they will first appear as in OOTP16, as major leaguers.

So, if both Player A and Player B made his pro debut in 1927 and their MLB debut in 1929, and Player A debuted with the Cardinals organization (which had a minor-league affiliate), and Player A debuted in with the Phillies organization (which did not have an affiliate), which of the following is true?

1. Player A would debut in OOTP in 1927 in the Cards organization, while player A would debut in 1929 with the Phils, or...

2. Both would debut in OOTP in 1927 with their respective organizations, with Player A either on the Cards or their affiliate, and Player B either on the Phils, or on either the Phils' reserve roster or their gamer-created minor league team.

Also, I believe it was indicated earlier in this thread that, generally speaking, unaffiliated teams are included when there are affiliated teams in the league (Texas League, 1927, for example, would include all 8 teams; not just the two teams that were affiliated with MLB). Assuming this is true, would these unaffiliated teams be filled with career minor-leaguers and other free agents, and not necessarily those who actually played on those MiLB teams IRL? Or?

Perhaps - or perhaps not - another way to ask the same question: If I start a historical league in 1927, with historical minors, what players would appear on the unaffiliated Texas League teams such as the Dallas Steers, San Antonio Bears, Shreveport Sports, and Wichita Falls Spudders?

Another question, in the form of an example: Let's take Tom Paciorek, who started his professional career in the Dodgers' organization in '68 and spent that season and the following one in the LA's low minors. Then in '70 and '71 he spent most his time at Triple A Spokane, and in '72 he was also primarily at Triple A, though for '72 the Dodgers' Triple A affiliate became Albuquerque. Let's assume that in an OOTP historical replay he follows a somewhat similar path and is Triple A material in both '71 and '72. I'm guessing that in the offseason after '71 / prior to '72 the Dodgers' AAA team simply "becomes" Albuquerque and if the OOTP engine/AI sees fit to put Paciorek in Triple A, he'll remain on the AAA roster, which is now Albuquerque instead of Spokane. Correct?

Yet another question: By 1936 there were a whopping 24 separate minor leagues with at least a team or two with an MLB affiliate, and the Cardinals pretty much had a team in every league. So, assuming most of these leagues are included in OOTP for 1936, would there be enough players in the database to fill out the Cards' 1936 system?

A few more... Sorry for the long post but hopefully upcoming answers will clear things up for me and others

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Indy, Negro and International leagues aren't currently included in the default setup. Maybe that's a feature for the future, let's hope so! I know we have a lot of the data collected.

Understood that the Indy, Negro, and Foreign leagues aren't included. Are any of the players included?

Don't think this one got answered:

Originally Posted by Orioles1966

How will the game handle demotions and promotions for teams in the past that had more than one Triple A team?

Curious about the answers to these questions, too:

Originally Posted by Orioles1966

Back in 1969 the Omaha Royals(American Association) and Vancouver Mounties(PCL) had split affiliations with Omaha having Kansas City/San Diego and Vancouver having Montreal/Seattle. How does this look on the League Set-up page that lists minor league team affiliations because it wasn't possible in the past too do this situation(or something)?

Will it now be possible to have minor league teams to have split affiliations or will it only happen under special circumstances?

Also back in 1968 didn't a few expansion teams(that weren't going to play until 1969) have minor league teams? How will this be possible with OOTP17 since the expansion teams had yet to play a game(almost a year away)?

Another: In 1934 the Dallas Steers were unaffiliated but playing in the Texas League (which had 3 of 8 teams affiliated with the majors). In 1935 the Steers became affiliated with the White Sox. After the 1934 season, what happens to the Steers players - whoever they might be? Do they simply go to the free agent pool (after which at some point they might end up on other unaffiliated teams for the 1935 season, depending upon game settings, AI, etc.)?

Finally, Mr Spritze, do you know the answer to the question about the ballpark names that are given to minor league teams? Just wondering because I have probably a little over 90% of the names of the parks for all minor league teams that would (I assume) be included in the game.

[rjl518]

i have a classic league that is in the year 1917 right now...i have created three minor league levels...

if I import this game in OOTP17 before the start of the 1918 season, delete the minors i already have, when the game reaches 1919, will the historical minors appear at that time?

sorry...I didn't mean to ask this question twice...but I just want to be sure when OOTP17 is released

[Bigrod]

Originally Posted by TribeWarpath

Loving the updates to historical leagues and the fact players will come into the game at time they first appeared in MiLB. My question is regarding players that had injuries and missed entire seasons. Will they now import? For example Francisco Liriano never pitched in 2007 after having Tommy Johns surgery so if I start a 2007 league would he import?

1. Players won't import for the yr. they missed, but should reappear when they did in real life.
2. I created the 2007 season and No Liriano didn't import as he didn't play in 2007, but should reappear in 2008 on either Rochester, Fort Myers or Minnesota as I'm quite sure there's an error in the MLB/MILB timeline as the dates played overlap and not sure how Spritze or Markus handled this.
You can always import and move any player in the db though.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Bigrod

1. Players won't import for the yr. they missed, but should reappear when they did in real life.
2. I created the 2007 season and No Liriano didn't import as he didn't play in 2007, but should reappear in 2008 on either Rochester, Fort Myers or Minnesota as I'm quite sure there's an error in the MLB/MILB timeline as the dates played overlap and not sure how Spritze or Markus handled this.
You can always import and move any player in the db though.

Do you know whether the new minor league feature can be used with the real transactions feature. I know all the minor league transactions aren't included, but one of the biggest drawbacks of real transactions in earlier years is a lack of players. I want to be able to play with injuries set to normal or high. Retire and miss seasons according to history have to be on when using real transactions and that's why I wonder whether it will work or not