Oakland A's 2010 Season Thread - Page 8

Green & Gold Heart · 06-16-2010, 12:29 PM

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Or Carlos Reyes, Phil Plantier, and Ernie freaking Young

Troy Neel! And Brent Gates. I LOOOOOVED Brent Gates for like a month or two.

Rizon · 06-16-2010, 12:53 PM

Yeah, I'm celebrating all one of our playoff series victories since Beane took over.

C'mon guys.

Green & Gold Heart · 06-16-2010, 01:43 PM

h8er!

TheRaven · 06-16-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizon

Yeah, I'm celebrating all one of our playoff series victories since Beane took over.

C'mon guys.

How many would you project they would have without Beane?

Green & Gold Heart · 06-16-2010, 04:14 PM

Yeah, that's the thing. I wouldn't go so far as to say the playoffs are a crapshoot, but Billy Beane built teams that were good enough to win a lot of regular season games. But in the playoffs it takes the intangibles. Whether it's clutchness, desire, grittiness, whatever, the A's never had that. They had guys like Eric Chavez flailing at pitches out of the strike zone and Miguel Tejada not running, trying to get the ump to call interference on the fielder.

So then, OMG, Beane is horrible because they never won a championship. I guess winning 100 games while being in the lower third of payroll isn't good enough. (Actually, it really isn't good enough, but it's still pretty damn good.)

Anyone but Beane at the helm of this team would scare the crap of out me. It was under Beane that this team finally got good again since the Bash Brother days. I'd fear we'd turn into the Royals or the Pirates if someone else got ahold of this team, because that could easily happen.

TheRaven · 06-17-2010, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

but Billy Beane built teams that were good enough to win a lot of regular season games.

Correct.

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

I guess winning 100 games while being in the lower third of payroll isn't good enough. (Actually, it really isn't good enough, but it's still pretty damn good.)

Also correct.

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I'd fear we'd turn into the Royals or the Pirates if someone else got ahold of this team, because that could easily happen.

Correct again! Except I would probably say it would definitely have happened, instead of it could have.

I am not even an A's fan, so I am not swayed by that. Facts are facts and Beane has put the A's in a position to win consistently for many years, and even the last few, while they weren't contenders, they still weren't as bad as they honestly should have been. Now, the payoff is starting to come from these last few years of mediocrity.

But yea, how great would the thrifty A's be if Beane just died. The World Series would easily be theirs for the taking.

Green & Gold Heart · 06-17-2010, 10:15 AM

Yeah, and really, this team's problems are more rooted in the ownership & stadium issues than in the front office management of the team.

Green & Gold Heart · 06-17-2010, 06:45 PM

I know I hated Ken Macha. I don't remember how much really. But it can't possibly be as much as I HATE BOB GEREN RIGHT NOW. WHAT A ****ING SORRY EXCUSE FOR A MANAGER.

Green & Gold Heart · 06-20-2010, 10:26 AM

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

mrskippy · 06-21-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Yeah, and really, this team's problems are more rooted in the ownership & stadium issues than in the front office management of the team.

For sure. I think if the A's were playing in a new ballpark, things would be much different. As much as I dislike the fact that a new state of the art facility in the Silicon Valley will result in much higher ticket prices, it will certainly generate the kind of revenue that would allow the team to sign the guys they need.

Speaking of stadiums, just got an e-mail from the Raiders. I have season tickets. They are considering building a new stadium at the current site, just for the Raiders. Basically, they were surveying how much I would be willing to pay. Right now it's only $26/game. A new stadium would increase that to $60-$90/game. I said no thanks, but a new stadium certainly is needed in Oakland.

Perhaps this would allow them to raze the current facility, building two facilities (one for baseball, one for football) on the site.

Libid21 · 06-21-2010, 04:33 PM

Thoughts on Conor Jackson? I personally wanted him for the Braves in the beginning of the year, and I still want him right now. I don't think Billy Beane has any huge plans of keeping him. Seems like one of those Billy Beane trades to me. Buy low and sell high once his value is back up. I don't know if Jackson will be available by the trade deadline. Regardless, I'd still want him even next season. What do you guys think the A's will ask for in return?

Green & Gold Heart · 06-21-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Libid21

Thoughts on Conor Jackson? I personally wanted him for the Braves in the beginning of the year, and I still want him right now. I don't think Billy Beane has any huge plans of keeping him. Seems like one of those Billy Beane trades to me. Buy low and sell high once his value is back up. I don't know if Jackson will be available by the trade deadline. Regardless, I'd still want him even next season. What do you guys think the A's will ask for in return?

I don't know, I see him as a keeper as he's the type of player they need - a right-handed hitter with some pop. Maybe that will change if he's due for an arbitration raise in the offseason. It'd probably take a good hitting infield prospect; I don't see any need in the farm for pitching.

Libid21 · 06-21-2010, 07:02 PM

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I don't know, I see him as a keeper as he's the type of player they need - a right-handed hitter with some pop. Maybe that will change if he's due for an arbitration raise in the offseason. It'd probably take a good hitting infield prospect; I don't see any need in the farm for pitching.

TBH, I don't think you guys can get too good of a hitting infield hitting prospect for him. If anything, you guys will get a reliever or a starting pitcher prospect. But this is just my opinion. And the sample size is small so maybe Conor Jackson is just fooling every one into thinking he's actually this good.

Hopefully he doesn't play too good where Beane becomes convinced to keep him.

mikev · 06-21-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Libid21

TBH, I don't think you guys can get too good of a hitting infield hitting prospect for him. If anything, you guys will get a reliever or a starting pitcher prospect. But this is just my opinion. And the sample size is small so maybe Conor Jackson is just fooling every one into thinking he's actually this good.

Hopefully he doesn't play too good where Beane becomes convinced to keep him.

???

From 06 to 08 he showed steady improvement in both hitting and fielding, and was a 3.0 WAR player in 2008 at age 26. Then he missed a whole year from some crazy ass illness and is apparently still recovering a bit.

He's still young, he's cheap, and he's got all of 2011 before he's a potential free agent. There's not much sense in trading him right now unless it's an overpayment.

You can have Eric Patterson though.

Libid21 · 06-21-2010, 07:58 PM

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???

From 06 to 08 he showed steady improvement in both hitting and fielding, and was a 3.0 WAR player in 2008 at age 26. Then he missed a whole year from some crazy ass illness and is apparently still recovering a bit.

He's still young, he's cheap, and he's got all of 2011 before he's a potential free agent. There's not much sense in trading him right now unless it's an overpayment.

You can have Eric Patterson though.

That's why I said that it's unlikely Beane trades him by the deadline. Not saying that the Braves should run out and overpay to get him into Atlanta but Jackson doesn't seem like the wisest move for a team with about 82 outfield options. Jackson just seems like a buy low sell high candidate for Billy Beane (as stated before). He tried to do similar with Matt Holliday. Getting Holliday from the Rockies... then trying to trade him for more. It didn't quite work but then we could be looking at Conor Jackson in Atlanta being our LF next season if Beane is looking for relievers. I mean... he gave up an average arm to get Jackson. Anything more than a single average arm and it's a profit to him. We'd offer a major league arm and a minor leaguer and I think we can have him and Beane might even send us a million dollars to cover the salary.

Green & Gold Heart · 06-21-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Libid21

That's why I said that it's unlikely Beane trades him by the deadline. Not saying that the Braves should run out and overpay to get him into Atlanta but Jackson doesn't seem like the wisest move for a team with about 82 outfield options. Jackson just seems like a buy low sell high candidate for Billy Beane (as stated before). He tried to do similar with Matt Holliday. Getting Holliday from the Rockies... then trying to trade him for more. It didn't quite work but then we could be looking at Conor Jackson in Atlanta being our LF next season if Beane is looking for relievers. I mean... he gave up an average arm to get Jackson. Anything more than a single average arm and it's a profit to him. We'd offer a major league arm and a minor leaguer and I think we can have him and Beane might even send us a million dollars to cover the salary.

I don't see getting a good reliever as a "profit" when Jackson is the kind of player we need, not a reliever.

Goody · 06-22-2010, 03:36 AM

What do you guys think of R.Davis? I know he has pretty good Avg. and OBP stats from last year but he batting stance looks kinda weird.

He's on my fantasy team and I keep trying to fit him into the line up to get my OBP up and hope to get runs and steals but he's burned me a few times.

This week I'm starting the Fantasy week off with an 0 for 13 at the plate because of Raj, Dunn, and Granderson. Blah!

Is he streaky or does his 0 fer games come spread out? After a slow start should I keep Brennen Boesch in the line up all week instead?

Green & Gold Heart · 06-22-2010, 09:08 AM

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What do you guys think of R.Davis? I know he has pretty good Avg. and OBP stats from last year but he batting stance looks kinda weird.

He's on my fantasy team and I keep trying to fit him into the line up to get my OBP up and hope to get runs and steals but he's burned me a few times.

This week I'm starting the Fantasy week off with an 0 for 13 at the plate because of Raj, Dunn, and Granderson. Blah!

Is he streaky or does his 0 fer games come spread out? After a slow start should I keep Brennen Boesch in the line up all week instead?

I think Raj is pretty streaky. He'll have a great stretch of multi-hit, multi-steal games, and then all of a sudden he starts swinging at first pitches and hitting balls in the air. I've got him on my fantasy team too but I pretty much only start him if another OF is off or not playing.

He will put up some great fantasy numbers some games though have have you kicking yourself for leaving him on the bench, but he's not a fantasy always start kind of guy.

TheRaven · 06-22-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Libid21

That's why I said that it's unlikely Beane trades him by the deadline. Not saying that the Braves should run out and overpay to get him into Atlanta but Jackson doesn't seem like the wisest move for a team with about 82 outfield options. Jackson just seems like a buy low sell high candidate for Billy Beane (as stated before). He tried to do similar with Matt Holliday. Getting Holliday from the Rockies... then trying to trade him for more. It didn't quite work but then we could be looking at Conor Jackson in Atlanta being our LF next season if Beane is looking for relievers. I mean... he gave up an average arm to get Jackson. Anything more than a single average arm and it's a profit to him. We'd offer a major league arm and a minor leaguer and I think we can have him and Beane might even send us a million dollars to cover the salary.

This confuses me. Why would Beane make that deal?

Green & Gold Heart · 06-22-2010, 10:12 AM

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This confuses me. Why would Beane make that deal?

Because he thinks that if the Braves offer more than what the A's gave up for Jackson, then it's a no brainer because it's "profit."

It just doesn't work that way. Jackson is what the A's wanted.

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Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	What do you guys think of R.Davis? I know he has pretty good Avg. and OBP stats from last year but he batting stance looks kinda weird. He's on my fantasy team and I keep trying to fit him into the line up to get my OBP up and hope to get runs and steals but he's burned me a few times. This week I'm starting the Fantasy week off with an 0 for 13 at the plate because of Raj, Dunn, and Granderson. Blah! Is he streaky or does his 0 fer games come spread out? After a slow start should I keep Brennen Boesch in the line up all week instead? __________________ In the past: Laseron Baseball Association creator. Present: I am Rezulm on PT and OOTP Discord. Future: I wish it was the past.

06-16-2010, 01:43 PM	#143
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06-16-2010, 04:14 PM	#145
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Yeah, that's the thing. I wouldn't go so far as to say the playoffs are a crapshoot, but Billy Beane built teams that were good enough to win a lot of regular season games. But in the playoffs it takes the intangibles. Whether it's clutchness, desire, grittiness, whatever, the A's never had that. They had guys like Eric Chavez flailing at pitches out of the strike zone and Miguel Tejada not running, trying to get the ump to call interference on the fielder. So then, OMG, Beane is horrible because they never won a championship. I guess winning 100 games while being in the lower third of payroll isn't good enough. (Actually, it really isn't good enough, but it's still pretty damn good.) Anyone but Beane at the helm of this team would scare the crap of out me. It was under Beane that this team finally got good again since the Bash Brother days. I'd fear we'd turn into the Royals or the Pirates if someone else got ahold of this team, because that could easily happen.

06-17-2010, 10:15 AM	#147
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Yeah, and really, this team's problems are more rooted in the ownership & stadium issues than in the front office management of the team.

06-17-2010, 06:45 PM	#148
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	I know I hated Ken Macha. I don't remember how much really. But it can't possibly be as much as I HATE BOB GEREN RIGHT NOW. WHAT A ****ING SORRY EXCUSE FOR A MANAGER.

06-20-2010, 10:26 AM	#149
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

06-21-2010, 04:33 PM	#151
Libid21 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 540	Thoughts on Conor Jackson? I personally wanted him for the Braves in the beginning of the year, and I still want him right now. I don't think Billy Beane has any huge plans of keeping him. Seems like one of those Billy Beane trades to me. Buy low and sell high once his value is back up. I don't know if Jackson will be available by the trade deadline. Regardless, I'd still want him even next season. What do you guys think the A's will ask for in return?