Spritze/Garlon DB

[plannine]

Finally made it through to 2007 (using this db set). What a long strange trip in the world of almost historical baseball.[things didnt always occur when they actully did - teams didnt move or change names - expansion was even across both leagues - NO DH - 12 years before FA for entire game - 154 games each and every year. (smaller minors - AAA from 1901, AA from 1939, A from 1960)]


The record books:
Single Season


Batting AVG
1 JUD WILSON* .4097 1926
2 Don Mattingly* .4089 1984
3 Rogers Hornsby* .4087 1921
4 JUD WILSON* .4076 1925
5 Tris Speaker* .3983 1912
6 Honus Wagner .3963 1901
7 Frank Thomas* .3951 1996
8 Joe Jackson* .3940 1912
9 OSCAR CHARLESTON* .3909 1921
10 JUD WILSON* .3868 1929


HOME RUNS
1 Sammy Sosa* 71 2000
2 Mark McGwire* 66 1999
3 Barry Bonds# 65 2000
4 Ken Griffey# 64 1997
4 Ken Griffey# 64 1995
6 Mark McGwire* 63 1994
7 Mark McGwire* 62 1997
7 Manny Ramirez# 62 1999
9 Barry Bonds# 60 1994
9 Mark McGwire* 60 1995

RBI's
1 Ken Griffey# 177 1997
2 Sammy Sosa* 173 2000
3 Manny Ramirez# 171 1999
4 Vladimir Guerrero# 166 1999
5 Barry Bonds# 163 1998
6 Rafael Palmeiro* 162 1999
7 Mark McGwire* 161 1996
8 WILLIE WELLS 160 1930
9 Mark McGwire* 158 1997
9 Rico Brogna 158 1994
9 Barry Bonds# 158 1994

Career BA
1 JUD WILSON* .3509 1921-1937
2 Albert Pujols# .3461 2000-2007
3 George Sisler* .3416 1915-1929
4 Tony Gwynn* .3391 1981-2003
5 Ichiro Suzuki# .3385 2000-2007
6 Richie Ashburn* .3342 1947-1965
7 Joe Jackson* .3297 1907-1928
8 Don Mattingly* .3289 1981-1996
9 Ty Cobb* .3285 1904-1929
10 Chuck Klein* .3276 1927-1942

Career HR's
1 Barry Bonds# 855 1985-2007
2 Ken Griffey# 760 1988-2007
3 Mark McGwire* 754 1985-2002
4 Babe Ruth* 726 1913-1937
5 Lou Gehrig* 670 1922-1944
6 Jim Thome# 662 1990-2007
7 Willie Mays* 649 1950-1972
8 Ted Williams* 615 1938-1963
9 Mickey Mantle* 614 1950-1970
10 Rafael Palmeiro* 605 1985-2005


Career SB's
1 Rickey Henderson* 1078 1978-2000
2 Tim Raines 1065 1978-1997
3 Gerald Young# 927 1986-2007
4 Joe Morgan* 895 1962-1979
5 Delino DeShields# 881 1989-2007
6 Billy North 878 1970-1989
7 Ty Cobb* 865 1904-1929
8 Kenny Lofton 792 1990-2005
9 Joe Jackson* 739 1907-1928
10 Davey Lopes 703 1971-1990

[plannine]

Continued from previous post

Single season ERA
1 RUBE FOSTER 1.242 1905
2 Christy Mathewson* 1.332 1907
3 Vic Willis 1.357 1908
4 Cy Young* 1.403 1904
5 Sherry Smith 1.410 1917
6 Harry Howell 1.500 1904
7 Mordecai Brown 1.535 1909
8 Jack Chesbro 1.621 1906
8 Harry Krause 1.621 1908
10 Pedro Martinez# 1.663 1998

Career ERA

1 Crese Heismann 2.254 1904-1909
2 Tully Sparks 2.343 1901-1911
3 Harry Krause 2.345 1907-1915
4 RUBE FOSTER 2.346 1901-1912
5 Loyd Colson* 2.351 1969-1987
6 Johnny Lush 2.369 1905-1913
7 Rip Vowinkel 2.370 1904-1911
8 Rube Waddell* 2.380 1901-1915
9 Cy Young* 2.407 1901-1912
10 John Skopec 2.418 1901-1909


Single season Wins

1 Cy Young* 30 1903
1 Bill Donovan 30 1902
1 Rube Waddell* 30 1901
4 Christy Mathewson* 29 1912
4 Bob Friend 29 1957
4 RUBE FOSTER 29 1906
4 Libe Washburn 29 1908
4 Cy Young* 29 1904
9 Dick Rudolph 28 1911
9 Russ Ford 28 1915
9 Ralph Comstock 28 1913
9 Doc Crandall 28 1916


Career Wins

1 Babe Adams* 394 1905-1926
2 Dutch Leonard* 385 1912-1935
3 SMOKEY JOE WILLIAMS* 363 1904-1923
4 Eppa Rixey* 343 1911-1933
5 Christy Mathewson* 336 1901-1919
6 TAKEHIKO BESSHO* 333 1944-1964
7 Addie Joss* 327 1901-1920
8 Leroy Paige* 320 1925-1948
9 Walter Johnson* 317 1906-1926
10 Roy Witherup* 315 1908-1928


Single Season Strikeouts

1 Rube Waddell* 324 1903
2 Pedro Martinez# 315 1998
3 Jim Maloney 312 1964
4 Randy Johnson 310 1994
5 Sandy Koufax 309 1966
6 Rube Waddell* 308 1904
7 Herb Score 306 1955
8 Red Ames 305 1904
9 RUBE FOSTER 303 1905
10 Pedro Martinez# 298 2000

Career Strike Outs

1 Nolan Ryan 4078 1965-1989
2 Roger Clemens 4010 1983-2004
3 SMOKEY JOE WILLIAMS* 3776 1904-1923
4 Pedro Martinez# 3423 1991-2007
5 Steve Carlton 3421 1964-1985
6 Walter Johnson* 3344 1906-1926
7 Randy Johnson 3318 1987-2004
8 Bert Blyleven 3296 1969-1992
9 Bob Gibson 3263 1958-1975
10 Rube Waddell* 3218 1901-1915


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99 Players and 43 pitchers made the Hall of Fame
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43 of the 53 times that a player hit 50 or more Homeruns happened after 1989.
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Sadaharu Oh hit 553 homeruns
Satchel Paige went 320-251 (in the majors) and stuckout 2752.
Jackie Robinson had 305 SB, only having over 40, twice.

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Triple Crown Winners

1922 Babe Ruth 47 Home Runs, .376/.496/.722, 157 RBI and 131 Runs in 553 AB, 120.2 VORP
1928 Chuck Klein 41 Home Runs, .357/.399/.628, 139 RBI and 125 Runs in 635 AB, 74.2 VORP
1929 Lou Gehrig 39 Home Runs, .380/.490/.676, 134 RBI and 135 Runs in 571 AB, 115.4 VORP
1935 Lou Gehrig 38 Home Runs, .347/.479/.628, 141 RBI and 140 Runs in 556 AB, 103.3 VORP
1944 Jeff Heath 37 Home Runs, .352/.437/.608, 129 RBI and 121 Runs in 586 AB, 94.0 VORP
1955 Willie Mays 52 Home Runs, .347/.396/.673, 145 RBI and 141 Runs in 611 AB, 89.6 VORP
1962 Roger Maris 46 Home Runs, .345/.412/.651, 136 RBI and 105 Runs in 585 AB, 87.3 VORP
1997 Ken Griffey 64 Home Runs, .364/.443/.765, 177 RBI and 134 Runs in 588 AB, 129.6 VORP


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Clint Zavaras (Clint Who?) had a 18 year career..........winning 195 games.
Loyd Colson (WHO????) won 92 games and saved 587 (All Time Leader) - not bad for a player who pitched in one real life game.

with OOTP ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN!!!!!!

[Spritze]

Looks like someone had fun.....

Which is the point, right?

I will be posting the next version in a week or so, fixes a few issues (like Mr. Paige as a 1bman reported here earlier). Also some lousy pitchers who did good in short stints have been weakened a little bit to more properly reflect their real value.

Mr. Garlon thinks the Japanese and negro players are rated too highly. My thinking is that as they are in the top 1% or so of their respective races they darn well better be good. Your leaderboards suggest they do not completely dominate the game.

I would be most interested in your opinion if you would care to share.

[plannine]

It worked pretty well. Some of the players (negro leagues & japan) did well for a few years but dropped off sooner then expected. Some players seem to play for ever. Very few players extended their career by returning to the minors. AAA power was way up, but since players lasted a little longer then in real life, their were some good players there (Steve Balboni hit 415 HR's in the minors at AAA & AA (47), only 8 in part of two seasons in the majors).

I should have turned off Automatic League Stragtegy, so it would have been 4 man pitching staffs for all the years. When it got up to 32 teams it got hard to keep track of everything that was going on.

One of the things that made following the teams & players was to have each league based in a different country. Majors was USA, AAA was Canada , AA was Latin America (including Mexico & Cuba), A was Japan/Australia.


Moonlight Graham never played in the majors (and only 1 full season in the minors)

There were a few players who's best (or most used) season was their last.

(21 players have $15 million contracts or better - Jeter signed a 4 year, $110 million contract IN 2004).

[plannine]

Originally Posted by Spritze

Mr. Garlon thinks the Japanese and negro players are rated too highly. My thinking is that as they are in the top 1% or so of their respective races they darn well better be good. Your leaderboards suggest they do not completely dominate the game.

I would be most interested in your opinion if you would care to share.

I feel that most performed as expected, a few were on the leader boards for a few seasons -and some were always in the top 25, but rarely were at the top year after year. I feared there would be alot of 50 HR & 300+ K seasons but their wasnt.

It was also nice seeing some players getting complete careers (dean, williams, dimaggio), but a few went down early with CEI.

[plannine]

Looking through the stats, the added players seem to win awards in bunches (but so did white players) - Oh was MVP 9 times, 6 in a row (Mantle was 8 times).

[Spritze]

From your posts it looks like the additions perform as they ought to/might have.

I am gonna add a few missing years per Garlon for players who got a late start like Luke Easter and Bullet Joe Rogan but other than that I'm going to leave the added players as is.

[plannine]

A few of the Japanese players did extremely well (4 were in the Top 100 in career wins, compared to 1 Negro leaguer.....) while in career hits, 7 negro leaguers and 3 Japanese players were in the Top 100. (just counting capitalized players from the DB)

[plannine]

The only thing i see needs correction is making sure the 2-way players do only one or the other............

[Spritze]

I doubled checked those fielding records to make sure Pitchers only just had Pitching Fielding records.

[biglson]

hello i was wondering how i get the random debut years to work? When i do get it to work, each draft will have random players throughout history correct? I downloaded your DB i see the debutyear .txt file, but that is the real debut years. I then downloaded the random debut years, unzipped it to the same folder. Can u tell me what im doing wrong please?
Thanks

[plannine]

Originally Posted by Spritze

I doubled checked those fielding records to make sure Pitchers only just had Pitching Fielding records.

Did you get Otto Hess? He seems to switch (to Outfield) and doesnt make it back to pitcher in his last few years (he retires usually).

[Spritze]

I will triple check Mr. Hess.

[Spritze]

Random debut years is a function I know nothing about and probably does not work with this db.

Originally Posted by biglson

hello i was wondering how i get the random debut years to work? When i do get it to work, each draft will have random players throughout history correct? I downloaded your DB i see the debutyear .txt file, but that is the real debut years. I then downloaded the random debut years, unzipped it to the same folder. Can u tell me what im doing wrong please?
Thanks

[clamel]

Alright you got me here Spritze with answering my question about mssing years.

I got a few Q on this first, but I will try it out.

I understanf that you filled in missing years for players that had a ML season omitted "inside" his career. That´s good.

But how about this adjustment of stats ??????
Then I should never look at the RealStat columns, since it will be messed up, correct ?
If I now (must do start in 1901 seam like it) starts in 1987 or 1994 or whatever year in the 80´s or 90´s will I see records of HR from hank Aaron still stand ?? Cal Ripken on his way to stardom in games played. With adjusted stats he will probably be facing many more than Lou Gehrig in started games thinking about streaks.
More so if it will produce the issue of Paul Abbott. Does he have a HUGE year in 2001 getting 17-4 but other years not so much production ??
With adjustments over time I´m afraid that banner years will not happend.
Is this a problem of having the cake or eating it. Lahmann or Garlon DBs ??

I am little or more concern on this tampering with stats. If you starts when baseball got going more than 100 years ago it will surely be great, but starting somewhere in the last 25 years couldn´t that create problem for records and such ??
It will help the rating of those odd players but stats on them will bring them up to look like almost everyday players.
I thought on this OOTP that if I had that odd player with only a handfull of games a season he would certainly be injured playing in a full season. I mean ratings would be good for him on short playes, but trying to stretch it would make him injured. Over-use of players that made few games could then be possible in your DB since they are rated for over 100 games.
There might be a real-life reason they had great numbers in few game but never lasted the full length.
Is this something that have been thought upon ??

This is just a throw back from my old APBA board game days in the early 80´s. Using a player for a full season (when he played just 1 month) could reck any historical setup.

I must add this that in Lahmanns DB it has a HUGE problem what I can see when you start in the middle of things (so to say, 1994 ex)
A pitcher like Paul Abbott had some small number of ML experience in 90-93, then he went to minor leagues 94-97. If you starta hist-sims 94-97 he will be retired. Then missing his marvelous years 2000 and 2001 (17-4 for the Mariners).
This is what happend to my case of Andre David starting 1985, the year he had a Minor league year. He came back in 1986, BUT NOT in my game, suing Lahman DB.

I had hoped for Andre David to unretire thanks to the new stats Lahmann must have inserted for 1986, BUT No Sir. So in the Paul Abbott case he will be gone after 1993...
Rest in peace Paul. You never get a second chance ;-(

[Spritze]

In this db Cup of Coffee Players all suck. OOTP can still develop them into useful players but they start out bad.

The filled in gaps are based on an average of the surrounding known seasons.

All stats have been normalized to a 750 run environment.

Historical leaderboards can be a little bit different but the cream still rises.

[Irish Fan]

Will this database work in OOTP 9 ??

Thanks

[OmahaBaseball]

I'm sorry if I missed this, but would you point me to the link for this database. Thanks

[Spritze]

This db is now built in to the game. If you use the neutralized option you are using this db.

[clamel]

But the Paul Abbott problem remains.
He is still retired in 1996, since he played 1990-93 then 98 onwards.

The retire player according to history doesn´t work what I can see on this type of player, but probably only when the player is in the "system" and gets to the final year. Also he might not retire premature as long as he joined the game in the start year.
Abbott is a gonner....