Official Rolen/Cubby Player Rating Question Thread - Page 8

dvm3 · 07-13-2006, 01:45 AM

Now that I'm posting in the correct thread...

Cubby & Erich, first of all just want to say thanks for all your hard work so far. I can tell just by looking at the beta how much time was spent on each player in the majors. Pshh, talk about perfectionists.

Not sure how helpful this is but I ran a 5 seasons (1st year repeated) and here are some of the things that stood out regarding batters. Most are probably related to the ballpark factors of the home stadium because the projected stats in the editor look correct. I know, 5 seasons isn't really a large enough sample but...

5 year averages
BAL: C. Ray - 4.35 era & 1.49 whip
BOS: J. Papelbon - 4.31 era; C. Schilling - 4.49 era
CLE: T. Hafner - .259 avg. & 25 hr; V. Martinez - .252 avg.; J. Michaels - 48 2b
CIN: F. Lopez - 6 sb;
DET: M. Ordonez - .268 avg. 10 hr; K. Rogers - 4.66 era
FLA: J. Willingham - .241 avg.
LAA: V. Guerrero - 21 hr
MIL: C. Capuno - 5.12 era; C. Hart - 26 hr & 38 sb
NYY: D. Jeter - .270 avg
NYM: D. Wright - .270 avg & 22 hr; J. Reyes - 4 hr
OAK: M. Bradley - 25 sb
PHI: B. Abreu - .280 avg
PIT: F. Sanchez - .253 avg
SF: O. Vizquel - .247 avg
SEA: R. Ibanez - .259 avg & 15 hr; Ichiro - .297 avg; J. Putz - 4.89 era
TB: S. Kazmir - 4.87 era
TOR: A. Rios - .267 avg
WAS: A. Soriano - .243 avg (wasn't he in LF from day opening day?); J. Vidro - .236 avg

These are really the only players that stood out. Outstanding job overall! Keep up the excellent work. Can't wait till the next release. I'm anxious like everyone else but your real lives come first.

qdogg290 · 07-13-2006, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DBR

his pecotas are off the chart, he has pure power and a awesome eye.... He may not have as much power as Cabrera but he will end up being a 30-35 HR hitter. You also have to remember that his current stats are in Dolphins stadium, not exactly a hitters park.

I'll remaind skeptical....the guy is 27, exactly how much will he improve from here on out. I'd say he's more of a 20-25 homerun hitter tops.

alasxdair · 07-13-2006, 01:47 AM

I thought in one of the patches, Markus added the ability to see the old 5 star player ratings. Where is that option at? Or did I just misunderstand one of the patch updates?

qdogg290 · 07-13-2006, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by alasxdair

I thought in one of the patches, Markus added the ability to see the old 5 star player ratings. Where is that option at? Or did I just misunderstand one of the patch updates?

The new ratings are better. The stars were way too general.

BadluckinOOTP · 07-13-2006, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by alasxdair

I thought in one of the patches, Markus added the ability to see the old 5 star player ratings. Where is that option at? Or did I just misunderstand one of the patch updates?

Yeah, you take that opinion of yours and just shove it!

alasxdair · 07-13-2006, 01:58 AM

It wasn't an opinion, it was a question. Hence, the use of the question mark.

CubbyFan23 · 07-13-2006, 02:03 AM

Pretty sure there wasn't stars added, but the option for "general ratings" on the transactions screens.

BadluckinOOTP · 07-13-2006, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by alasxdair

It wasn't an opinion, it was a question. Hence, the use of the question mark.

See the post after yours, the guy saying that stars aren't any good. I was TRYING to be funny.

old#speak · 07-13-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by old#speak

ok, so I realize I'm being stupid here but how do I load the roster onto the game?. I'm totally new to this kind of thing so if anyone could help me I'd really appreciate it.

I've tried to export the zip file into my ootpb6 folder but I've really got no idea how to load them.

So is no one going to help me?. I'm gagging to get my teeth into the rosters. Any help or if anyone can point me to someone/somewhere that can help would be great.

I'm a complete novice to this.

ptwarr18 · 07-13-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by old#speak

So is no one going to help me?. I'm gagging to get my teeth into the rosters. Any help or if anyone can point me to someone/somewhere that can help would be great.

I'm a complete novice to this.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=122564

The resources are here, just search it.... I am new to this to, I'm not trying to be a jerk but the search helps a lot, just about everything you need is on this website .... but I'll be nice and spoon feed it

.. just extract the file with win zip to your OOTP folder and load the file from the main screen... I'm at work so I'm not 100% sure but thats how I think I did it, If you need help i posted a link to the customization guide above

tehwholeworld · 07-13-2006, 12:07 PM

Just a few from the White Sox:

Brian Anderson - He is on pace for having one of the best statistical seasons defensively for a CF according to BP, and has always had superb defense in the outfield. His defensive rating should be improved.

Neal Cotts - Career 4.00 ERA including a 1.94 ERA in 2005 and 2.95 ERA thus far in 2006, but is projected to have a 4.41 ERA in-game. He's held opponents to a .224 average in his career, but is projected to have a .238 BAA in-game. He's projected to walk nearly 5 batters per 9 innings in-game, despite walking only 4.41/9 in his career (and 3.62/9 in the last 2 years). His ratings need boost.

Jermaine Dye - Projected to hit .263/.332/.469 with 27 HR, even though his career line is .275/.338/.480 and he's put up a .289/.356/.559 line since joining the White Sox last year. He's already got 25 HR this year, and had 31 last year, so his ratings should be given a boost.

Bobby Jenks - Career 3.54 K/BB, but is projected to have a 1.77 K/BB. Career 3.1 BB/9, but is projected to have a much higher in game (5.49 BB/9). His control is better than the ratings suggest.

Brandon McCarthy - Vastly underrated, especially since the ratings seem to indicate that he's reached his peak, despite the fact that in real life, he's still basically a prospect.

Scott Podsednik - Projected to hit .272/.341, even though his career numbers (and individual season numbers if you look carefully) are much better. He's posted a .275+ AVG and .350+ OBP in every year of his career except for 1 (2004).

There are others (Joe Crede for one), but getting anyone outside of Sox fans to believe that he's a different hitter than his career suggests would be a difficult task. It would also be nice to have Ryan Sweeney, who is arguably the best Sox position prospect, added to the game, but I have read that you haven't done AAA yet, so perhaps he'll be added then. The lineups and rotation for the Sox are also wrong, but I'm assuming that they haven't been touched yet since this is a beta.

tkirch · 07-13-2006, 01:08 PM

I'm just not seeing any love in here for Chris Capuano.

Ran a sim 10 times and his average ERA is 4.56 Wins=9 Quality Starts=6

Last year he won 18 games and was second in the league in quality starts. This year he has 10 wins already, 3.81 ERA, and leads the Majors in Quality starts. You can guarantee that Capuano will go out pitch 7 innings every time and give up 3 runs or less. He has right now 27 1/3 scoreless inning streak against the Cubs. Cubs hate him is that why he isn't getting the love.

Also the Brewer hitting coach is Butch Wynegar not Butch Smith. Minor change.

I'm a Brewer fan obviously and was watching their stats. Their win-loss seemed right on but Bill Hall's power numbers seem low. He is on pace for 35 this year. I see him more of a 20-25 homer guy.
JJ hardy is a darn good hitter and is not being portrayed that at all. In the second half last year he batted over .300 with some pop. And his defense is amazing.
Corey Koskie is a bit better than his ratings show, not a lot but I would say a 260-270 hitter with 20 homer pop.

You may have Corey Harts power numbers a bit high. He had power in minors but he is more a spray hitter with 15-20 homer power but a good average, fast as hell too.

Doug Davis is a consistent pitcher and a good number three his ERA we're popping around mid 5's in the sims he is a low to mid 4's.

This may seem trivial but coming from a small market club ot many people pay any attention to the Brewers except players like Fielder or Weeks. But they have some other good players, Carlos Lee is a machine and easily the best player on this team. Jenkins is a pathetic strikeout prone player who has no pop in his bat this year and Bill Hall can play 5 positions and play great defense. He can hit and in the clutch is easily one of the best brewers. You should watch him play defense and some of th eplays he makes are awesome.

My two cents take it for what it is worth.

Willmore · 07-13-2006, 01:16 PM

Quality Start = 6 IP, 3 ER = 4.5 ERA.

I don't know what you're complaining about.

Quality starts is a horrible and one of the most useless stats out there.

Capuano is an average pitcher who is having a good season, IMO.

tkirch · 07-13-2006, 01:27 PM

18-12 last year with 3.99 ERA
176 K's
.252 OP BA

Pretty good numbers last year and he is doing more this year.

If you have ever watched the Brewers you know he is the best pitcher on the staff. His career numbers are better than Sheets.

And I know what a QS is, but I am telling you what he has average the last two years.

In the minors before he blew out his amr four years ago the Diamondbacks had him marked as one of their top pitchers in their minors, he's back from the arm injury.

I would take 5 pitchers if he's average on any team today.

astrosfan157 · 07-13-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Willmore

Quality Start = 6 IP, 3 ER = 4.5 ERA.

I don't know what you're complaining about.

Quality starts is a horrible and one of the most useless stats out there.

Capuano is an average pitcher who is having a good season, IMO.

Coming from a true astros fan who hates the brewers, i dont see how you can say that. Are you trying to say he is an average pitcher who got lucky last year winning 18 games and off to another projected 18 win season this year? What makes you think he is an average pitcher?

RBA333 · 07-13-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

This is great stuff, Florida was the hardest pill to swallow for doing PECOTA stats because of guys like Martinez and Uggla. Both will get a ratings boost, although I don't think Uggla is as good as his stats are, as you said, he is most certainly not a .245 hitter. I had basically 0 scouting to go off of with Martinez -- have you seen him throw and/or know how hard or what he throws? Couldn't find a thing, but I have a feeling its high 90s heat with a good slider, looking at the numbers.

I would probably have to agree with you on all fronts, including Nolasco, who I saw in our minor league system before we forked him over to you.

thanks for the acknowledgement....martnez is actually right around where u have him for mph. he is around 94 consistently so u might bump it to 93-95. i think ur right on the pitches but ill double check when i get home from work. also wouldnt mind seeing those adjustments to ramirez, johnson , and nolasco in the near future as i think everyone should get them and nut just the biased marlins fan

ptwarr18 · 07-13-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tehwholeworld

Scott Podsednik - Projected to hit .272/.341, even though his career numbers (and individual season numbers if you look carefully) are much better. He's posted a .275+ AVG and .350+ OBP in every year of his career except for 1 (2004).

Podsedniks career numbers are .279 and .346 Thats pretty accurate, If you want to change it on your own go ahead but I think this rating is good... I mean not to rain on your parade but his BA is .007 of his career, and ob% is .005 off... I think this thread is here to focus on the bigger picture not just us wanting guys on our favorite teams to be a little bit better, Cubby you can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm thinking stuff like Papelbon, Sanchez, and Uggla are the stuff you want us to talk about. Not Podsednik being .007 of his career batting average and .005 off his career on base percentage

tehwholeworld · 07-13-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ptwarr18

Podsedniks career numbers are .279 and .346 Thats pretty accurate, If you want to change it on your own go ahead but I think this rating is good... I mean not to rain on your parade but his BA is .007 of his career, and ob% is .005 off... I think this thread is here to focus on the bigger picture not just us wanting guys on our favorite teams to be a little bit better, Cubby you can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm thinking stuff like Papelbon, Sanchez, and Uggla are the stuff you want us to talk about. Not Podsednik being .007 of his career batting average and .005 off his career on base percentage

Perhaps this is true, but I just figured I'd point it out while I was giving this roster a first look through. I haven't had time to look over every single team and every single player yet, but will be pointing these sorts of things out when I get around to it.

ptwarr18 · 07-13-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tehwholeworld

Perhaps this is true, but I just figured I'd point it out while I was giving this roster a first look through. I haven't had time to look over every single team and every single player yet, but will be pointing these sorts of things out when I get around to it.

No prob buddy. Just didn't want the thread to take a turn to tiny details cuz we need to get the big things fixed first.

But I'm pumped that we have somethin to work with now

jewaid · 07-13-2006, 02:54 PM

I just simmed one season real quick before I left for work so didn't have time to look extensively but did notice Brian N. Anderson went....
.322-43-132
just thought that was rather high.

07-13-2006, 12:07 PM	#151
tehwholeworld Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 43	Just a few from the White Sox: Brian Anderson - He is on pace for having one of the best statistical seasons defensively for a CF according to BP, and has always had superb defense in the outfield. His defensive rating should be improved. Neal Cotts - Career 4.00 ERA including a 1.94 ERA in 2005 and 2.95 ERA thus far in 2006, but is projected to have a 4.41 ERA in-game. He's held opponents to a .224 average in his career, but is projected to have a .238 BAA in-game. He's projected to walk nearly 5 batters per 9 innings in-game, despite walking only 4.41/9 in his career (and 3.62/9 in the last 2 years). His ratings need boost. Jermaine Dye - Projected to hit .263/.332/.469 with 27 HR, even though his career line is .275/.338/.480 and he's put up a .289/.356/.559 line since joining the White Sox last year. He's already got 25 HR this year, and had 31 last year, so his ratings should be given a boost. Bobby Jenks - Career 3.54 K/BB, but is projected to have a 1.77 K/BB. Career 3.1 BB/9, but is projected to have a much higher in game (5.49 BB/9). His control is better than the ratings suggest. Brandon McCarthy - Vastly underrated, especially since the ratings seem to indicate that he's reached his peak, despite the fact that in real life, he's still basically a prospect. Scott Podsednik - Projected to hit .272/.341, even though his career numbers (and individual season numbers if you look carefully) are much better. He's posted a .275+ AVG and .350+ OBP in every year of his career except for 1 (2004). There are others (Joe Crede for one), but getting anyone outside of Sox fans to believe that he's a different hitter than his career suggests would be a difficult task. It would also be nice to have Ryan Sweeney, who is arguably the best Sox position prospect, added to the game, but I have read that you haven't done AAA yet, so perhaps he'll be added then. The lineups and rotation for the Sox are also wrong, but I'm assuming that they haven't been touched yet since this is a beta. Last edited by tehwholeworld; 07-13-2006 at 12:09 PM.

07-13-2006, 01:45 AM	#141
dvm3 Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland OR Posts: 10	Now that I'm posting in the correct thread... Cubby & Erich, first of all just want to say thanks for all your hard work so far. I can tell just by looking at the beta how much time was spent on each player in the majors. Pshh, talk about perfectionists. Not sure how helpful this is but I ran a 5 seasons (1st year repeated) and here are some of the things that stood out regarding batters. Most are probably related to the ballpark factors of the home stadium because the projected stats in the editor look correct. I know, 5 seasons isn't really a large enough sample but... 5 year averages BAL: C. Ray - 4.35 era & 1.49 whip BOS: J. Papelbon - 4.31 era; C. Schilling - 4.49 era CLE: T. Hafner - .259 avg. & 25 hr; V. Martinez - .252 avg.; J. Michaels - 48 2b CIN: F. Lopez - 6 sb; DET: M. Ordonez - .268 avg. 10 hr; K. Rogers - 4.66 era FLA: J. Willingham - .241 avg. LAA: V. Guerrero - 21 hr MIL: C. Capuno - 5.12 era; C. Hart - 26 hr & 38 sb NYY: D. Jeter - .270 avg NYM: D. Wright - .270 avg & 22 hr; J. Reyes - 4 hr OAK: M. Bradley - 25 sb PHI: B. Abreu - .280 avg PIT: F. Sanchez - .253 avg SF: O. Vizquel - .247 avg SEA: R. Ibanez - .259 avg & 15 hr; Ichiro - .297 avg; J. Putz - 4.89 era TB: S. Kazmir - 4.87 era TOR: A. Rios - .267 avg WAS: A. Soriano - .243 avg (wasn't he in LF from day opening day?); J. Vidro - .236 avg These are really the only players that stood out. Outstanding job overall! Keep up the excellent work. Can't wait till the next release. I'm anxious like everyone else but your real lives come first.

07-13-2006, 01:47 AM	#143
alasxdair Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 34	I thought in one of the patches, Markus added the ability to see the old 5 star player ratings. Where is that option at? Or did I just misunderstand one of the patch updates?

07-13-2006, 01:58 AM	#146
alasxdair Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 34	It wasn't an opinion, it was a question. Hence, the use of the question mark.

07-13-2006, 02:03 AM	#147
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	Pretty sure there wasn't stars added, but the option for "general ratings" on the transactions screens.

07-13-2006, 01:08 PM	#152
tkirch Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 196	I'm just not seeing any love in here for Chris Capuano. Ran a sim 10 times and his average ERA is 4.56 Wins=9 Quality Starts=6 Last year he won 18 games and was second in the league in quality starts. This year he has 10 wins already, 3.81 ERA, and leads the Majors in Quality starts. You can guarantee that Capuano will go out pitch 7 innings every time and give up 3 runs or less. He has right now 27 1/3 scoreless inning streak against the Cubs. Cubs hate him is that why he isn't getting the love. Also the Brewer hitting coach is Butch Wynegar not Butch Smith. Minor change. I'm a Brewer fan obviously and was watching their stats. Their win-loss seemed right on but Bill Hall's power numbers seem low. He is on pace for 35 this year. I see him more of a 20-25 homer guy. JJ hardy is a darn good hitter and is not being portrayed that at all. In the second half last year he batted over .300 with some pop. And his defense is amazing. Corey Koskie is a bit better than his ratings show, not a lot but I would say a 260-270 hitter with 20 homer pop. You may have Corey Harts power numbers a bit high. He had power in minors but he is more a spray hitter with 15-20 homer power but a good average, fast as hell too. Doug Davis is a consistent pitcher and a good number three his ERA we're popping around mid 5's in the sims he is a low to mid 4's. This may seem trivial but coming from a small market club ot many people pay any attention to the Brewers except players like Fielder or Weeks. But they have some other good players, Carlos Lee is a machine and easily the best player on this team. Jenkins is a pathetic strikeout prone player who has no pop in his bat this year and Bill Hall can play 5 positions and play great defense. He can hit and in the clutch is easily one of the best brewers. You should watch him play defense and some of th eplays he makes are awesome. My two cents take it for what it is worth.

07-13-2006, 01:16 PM	#153
Willmore Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 54	Quality Start = 6 IP, 3 ER = 4.5 ERA. I don't know what you're complaining about. Quality starts is a horrible and one of the most useless stats out there. Capuano is an average pitcher who is having a good season, IMO.

07-13-2006, 01:27 PM	#154
tkirch Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 196	18-12 last year with 3.99 ERA 176 K's .252 OP BA Pretty good numbers last year and he is doing more this year. If you have ever watched the Brewers you know he is the best pitcher on the staff. His career numbers are better than Sheets. And I know what a QS is, but I am telling you what he has average the last two years. In the minors before he blew out his amr four years ago the Diamondbacks had him marked as one of their top pitchers in their minors, he's back from the arm injury. I would take 5 pitchers if he's average on any team today.

07-13-2006, 02:54 PM	#160
jewaid Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 11	I just simmed one season real quick before I left for work so didn't have time to look extensively but did notice Brian N. Anderson went.... .322-43-132 just thought that was rather high.