Time Warp Baseball - Page 78

tward13 · 07-07-2004, 08:31 AM

There have been other serious beanball incidents. Mickey Cochrane's HOF career was shortened by a beanball.

Did we have anyone die tragically at an early age like Addie Joss? While it's fun to note similarities and create a similar, but different timeline, I guess it doesn't have to mirror RL that closely.

fhomess · 07-07-2004, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

April 1939
A week later, the Cardinals traded another aging veteran, third baseman Martin Bartholomew to Cleveland for a relief pitcher and great pitching prospect Marty Davie.

Why?!?!?! Why can't they just keep their pitching prospects? Is it that hard? Grrr...

Matt from TN · 07-07-2004, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tward13

There have been other serious beanball incidents. Mickey Cochrane's HOF career was shortened by a beanball.

Did we have anyone die tragically at an early age like Addie Joss? While it's fun to note similarities and create a similar, but different timeline, I guess it doesn't have to mirror RL that closely.

Well, I don't mirror stuff like Cochrane's beanball incident only because I'd have to injure someone... I wanted to replicate Doc's injury because it was historically significant... And I was lucky enough to have a good OF have a career ending injury that year, so I simply wove my story around it...

But yes, I'd like to mirror RL as closely as possible... so, please post any significant happenings from 1939 on (prefereably in the "go-live" thread) and I'll do my best to get them in....

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Originally Posted by fhomess

Why?!?!?! Why can't they just keep their pitching prospects? Is it that hard? Grrr...

LOL... I have a feeling we'll have some GM's-to-be pulling their hair out by the time we finally get to 1946... I bet there will be a wacky trade at the '45 deadline that sends one of you reeling!!

Matt from TN · 07-07-2004, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jdw

Quick note on some missing data. The following positions didn't have winners in 1918: 2B NL, SS NL, LF AL and CF AL. The archive copy of 1918 also is missing the data as well.

Truly bizarre... I'll go with the guys you added to the spreadsheet... They all look legit... Unfortunately, 1918 is one of the league files I no longer have.

scprideandms · 07-07-2004, 01:09 PM

Bourbon just keeps rolling along, Jr stumbling along, what did Tequila do?

jdw · 07-07-2004, 02:33 PM

Matt wrote:

> Truly bizarre...

When I first copied and pasted the data from web to wordpad to excel, I was scratching my head when my simple formulas to add "years" to people wasn't working.

It worked well up until 1917, then went goofy in 1918. What's really odd is that the two positions in each league that are missing don't match up - each league goofed up in it's own way.

> I'll go with the guys you added to the spreadsheet... They
> all look legit... Unfortunately, 1918 is one of the league files
> I no longer have.

I think there's little doubt that OOTP was the one that must have glitched up - the Almanac for 1918 is off as well, as the "Sunday 9/5/1918" entry has just the players that have come down through time. Also, I think there's little doubt that Woody would have won yet another Gold Glove, and since it's not there on his player profile, OOTP must have just completely glitched up.

You can add them easily enough to TWB's exisist data awards files? It's been a while since I edited one, but I seem to recall it wasn't too tough to go in and edit. Also, perhaps edit Woody's historical one to add it. I think that's just a matter of pulling up the HTML file and editing it in. I've never edited a TWB one, but it should be fairly simple. Let me know if you need any help with that as I can do it for you and shoot you a file you could save over the existing Woody http://www.cdml.ootp-leagues.com/twb/r374.html file up on the webpage and also the r374.html file on your PC.

John

Matt from TN · 07-07-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by scprideandms

Bourbon just keeps rolling along, Jr stumbling along, what did Tequila do?

Tequila hit .289 w/ 2 HR and 11 RBI in 76 AB... Unfortunately, on April 26th, the Sox acquired 3B Stew Tremere from the Giants for 2 prospects... I'm not exactly sure what they're thinking, but they must have it out for Tequila....

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Originally Posted by jdw

You can add them easily enough to TWB's exisist data awards files? It's been a while since I edited one, but I seem to recall it wasn't too tough to go in and edit. Also, perhaps edit Woody's historical one to add it. I think that's just a matter of pulling up the HTML file and editing it in. I've never edited a TWB one, but it should be fairly simple. Let me know if you need any help with that as I can do it for you and shoot you a file you could save over the existing Woody http://www.cdml.ootp-leagues.com/twb/r374.html file up on the webpage and also the r374.html file on your PC.

Oh yeah, it's terribly simple... just edit the .txt files... I do it all the time with transactions, etc, etc...

jdw · 07-07-2004, 02:55 PM

This is probably more for the "live" thread, but...

Matt wrote:

> Well, I don't mirror stuff like Cochrane's beanball incident
> only because I'd have to injure someone... I wanted to
> replicate Doc's injury because it was historically significant...
> And I was lucky enough to have a good OF have a career
> ending injury that year, so I simply wove my story around it...

We probably could have one of the Decendants volunteer one of their Ancestors to be Ray Chapman or Roberto Clemente or Lou Gehrig or have one die in WWII or Korea. Mets has a host of ancestors...

Seriously, Lou retired early into 1939 after a big fall off in production in 1938 and an even worse start to 1939. He died in 1941.

I don't know who would be a good candidate to be TWB's Lou. Sal Rossi had a really off year last year. He *could* bounce back. Not quite as good as Lou, but a very good player and at 35 years old you could have the "he could have done more if not hit with that terrible tragedy". Troy Kinnear is older, but really fell off... I don't recall if he's someone's Ancestor. Tyrell Chestnut was a great, great, great Red Sox player and had the worst season last year since his rookie campaign. He's 39 so it's not quite the Lou deal of being mid-30s, but it would be a true All-Time Great dying with the rush to put him in the HOF in 1941. Don't recall if he's an Ancestor either.

For Clemente in 1972, you will want someone who's just about done but still very good and something of a "hero".

Probably good to give the Decendants the first crack at volunteering since it does make for good "history". If not, then go for someone. If Chestnut *isn't* an Ancestor, invoke the Commissioner's Power to write it in. Lord knows poor Patrick Seifried is still suffering to this day under the Commish's decision to have him go Federal League. And like Pat has become great history, especially in the HOF discussions, so would a true legend like Chestnut going down to tragedy... or Sal or Kinnear.

On Chapman, maybe eyeball something for the 50s. You are going to want someone in the prime of their career (no older than 30) with so much promise ahead. Again, maybe a Decendant will volunteer. It is something that would make the player stand out historically from the few hundred Ancestors we're going to have by the time the 90s roll around.

John

scprideandms · 07-07-2004, 04:45 PM

The league has had it out for all the Allens ever since Whiskey Sr. showed everybody up for years!!!!

metsgeek · 07-07-2004, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jdw

We probably could have one of the Decendants volunteer one of their Ancestors to be Ray Chapman or Roberto Clemente or Lou Gehrig or have one die in WWII or Korea. Mets has a host of ancestors...

I could easily dig up a slew of 2nd and 3rd cousins.

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I don't know who would be a good candidate to be TWB's Lou. Sal Rossi had a really off year last year. He *could* bounce back. Not quite as good as Lou, but a very good player and at 35 years old you could have the "he could have done more if not hit with that terrible tragedy". Troy Kinnear is older, but really fell off... I don't recall if he's someone's Ancestor. Tyrell Chestnut was a great, great, great Red Sox player and had the worst season last year since his rookie campaign. He's 39 so it's not quite the Lou deal of being mid-30s, but it would be a true All-Time Great dying with the rush to put him in the HOF in 1941. Don't recall if he's an Ancestor either.

I'm quite sure that neither Kinnear nor Chestnut are ancestors. If someone were to be the "Lou Gehrig" of TWB, they should probably be changed to Durable for the rest of their career until the onset of the disease.

Matt from TN · 07-07-2004, 06:30 PM

May 1939

Cleveland and Washington battled for most of the month, but the Indians slid by May's end and the Yankees heated up. New York wound up in a first place tie with the Senators, but the Indians are just 2.5 games back. The Red Sox have been playing well, going 16-11 in May and moving into 4th place. Meanwhile, the White Sox cannot seem to stay above .500.

The Cubs went 15-13 and found the NL a lot tougher this month. Early in May, they lost "Punchy" Cote with a back injury that should keep him out until early July. Meanwhile, Brooklyn went 19-10 to move to within 1.5 games of first. Right on their heels are the Bees, who 16-11 this month. However, they lost Bourbon Allen until mid-July with a torn bicep. Boston also lost star leftfielder John Schmieder until early July after he fractured his hip while diving for a ball in the outfield. The Pirates have played well but finished the month on a 5-game skid and dropped to 4th. They also lost their ace, "Tex" Blakemore, until early July with elbow pain. The Reds were the 5th NL team with a winning record before losing 11 straight near the end of the month.

On May 16th, the first night game in AL history took place in Philadelphia as the A's defeated the Yankees 6-0. View the BOX SCORE here. On the next day, Princeton defeated Columbia 2-1 in the first televised baseball game in history.

American League-Pitcher of the Month:
Art Booth (NYA)!
He had a record of 7-1 in 8 games started, with an ERA of 1.39.

American League-Batter of the Month:
Blake "Hitman" Crocitto (WSH)!
He batted .436 in 101 AB, with 0 homers and 18 RBI.

National League-Pitcher of the Month:
David Wickersham (CHN)!
He had a record of 4-0 in 5 games started, with an ERA of 1.34.

National League-Batter of the Month:
Oscar "The Kid" Vancini (BKN)!
He batted .396 in 106 AB, with 13 homers and 39 RBI.

Code:

American League Standings 
  
New York (A)     31 19 .620 -
Washington       32 20 .615 -
Cleveland        29 22 .569 2.5
Boston (A)       26 25 .510 5.5
Chicago (A)      26 27 .491 6.5 
Detroit          23 27 .460 8.0
St. Louis (A)    20 31 .392 11.5
Philadelphia (A) 18 34 .346 14.0
 
National League Standings 
 
Chicago (N)      32 20 .615 -
Brooklyn         31 22 .585 1.5
Boston (N)       30 22 .577 2.0 
Pittsburgh       29 24 .547 3.5
New York (N)     24 27 .471 7.5
Cincinnati       23 28 .451 8.5
Philadelphia (N) 22 30 .423 10.0
St. Louis (N)    17 35 .327 15.0

AL AVG
.431 Blake "Hitman" Crocitto, Senators
.389 Wolter Tjeenk-Willink, Senators
.369 Adolf Greisbach, Tigers

NL AVG
.395 George "The General" Ward, Bees
.391 Elmer "The Jeweler" Menard, Pirates
.369 Brad Coffenberger, Dodgers

AL HOMERUNS
13 Howard Sheridan, Red Sox
11 Leonard "Sunny" Davie, White Sox
11 Daniel Lutzke, Indians

NL HOMERUNS
21 Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, Dodgers
12 Jeff Bundy, Dodgers
11 "Froggy" Borgert, Giants

AL RBI
41 Rollie McCord, White Sox
38 Leonard "Sunny" Davie, White Sox
38 Howard Sheridan, Red Sox

NL RBI
57 Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, Dodgers
55 "Froggy" Borgert, Giants
46 Jeff Bundy, Dodgers

AL STEALS
26 Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, Red Sox
22 Joe Campbell, Indians
19 John Shears, White Sox

NL STEALS
27 Foglesong "Fuzz" Allen, Giants
22 Jonny "Speedy" Perly, Dodgers
21 Bud Breckenridge, Pirates

AL ERA
1.83 Art Booth, Yankees
2.39 Chris Frays, Senators
2.94 George "The Joker" Bowers, Indians

NL ERA
2.10 David Wickersham, Cubs
2.59 Otto "Kaiser" Kahle, Bees
2.95 Remmy Paul, Dodgers

AL WINS
12 Art Booth, Yankees
9 Billy Crowell, Indians
8 Micky Guyton, Senators

NL WINS
10 Otto "Kaiser" Kahle, Bees
9 David Wickersham, Cubs
8 Danny "Slim" Fitzgerald, Reds

AL STRIKEOUTS
75 Jethro "Dodge" Lee, Senators
57 Art Booth, Yankees
56 Luke Riley, Yankees

NL STRIKEOUTS
66 Frank Smith, Dodgers
65 David Wickersham, Cubs
56 Gerald Saxton, Cardinals

Ancestors:

George "The General" Ward, RF, Bees - Ward hit .359 with 4 homeruns, 18 RBI and 17 runs scored.

Sam Kass, CF, Senators - Kass hit .264 with 4 homeruns, 16 RBI and 23 runs scored.

Levi "Tyke" Walls, SS, Giants - Tyke hit .219 with 6 steals.

David "Pops" McAuliffe, 3B, Cubs - Pops hit .291 with 2 homeruns, 11 RBI and 17 runs scored.

August "Fat Gus" Kahle, 3B, Yankees - Gus hit .275 with 3 homeruns, 16 RBI and 12 runs scored.

Kid Fite, 2B, Phillies - Augie Cost missed some time this month, giving Fite the chance to start again. He hit .317 with 2 homeruns, 10 RBI and 12 runs scored in 63 AB but he returned to the bench upon Cost's return.

Salvatore "The Sicilian Saucer" Rossi, 1B, Athletics - Sal hit .296 with 8 RBI.

Harry Finley, C, Yankees - Harry hit .324 with 15 RBI and 6 steals.

Bourbon Allen, SP, Bees - Bourbon went 3-1 with a 3.40 ERA before tearing his bicep. He is out until mid-July.

Otto "Kaiser" Kahle, SP, Bees - Otto went 6-0 with a 2.95 ERA.

David Wickersham, SP, Cubs - David went 4-0 with a 1.34 ERA. He was named the NL POTM.

Adolf "The Human Torch" Greisbach, SS, Tigers - Adolf hit .434 with 10 RBI and 10 runs scored.

Lloyd Johnson, C, Giants - Lloyd hit .212 with 3 homeruns, 15 RBI and 10 runs scored.

Alan Liao, 3B, Reds - Liao hit .302 with 17 RBI and 13 runs.

Carl "Dutch" Kahle, C, Senators - Dutch hit .304 with 6 homeruns, 21 RBI and 16 runs scored.

Carmack "Country" Alford, LF, Reds - Alford hit .330 with 3 homeruns, 10 RBI and 13 runs scored.

Foglesong "Fuzz" Allen, LF, Giants - Fuzz hit .275 with 16 runs scored and 17 steals.

John "Bucky" Smith, SP, Cubs - Bucky went 1-5 with a 5.63 ERA.

Leonard "Sunny" Davie, C, White Sox - Sunny hit .373 with 6 homeruns, 18 RBI and 18 runs scored.

Swervin' Ervin Skjerly, 2B, Yankees - Ervin hit .354 with 16 runs scored.

Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, SS, Red Sox - Tiny hit .269 with 16 runs scored and 8 steals.

Keith "Dead-Eye" Laverick, 1B, Senators - Keith hit .275 with 2 homeruns and 11 RBI.

Frank Smith, SP, Dodgers - Frank went 4-1 with a 3.57 ERA.

F.X. Ditty, 2B, Indians - Ditty hit .347 with 2 homeruns, 14 RBI and 15 runs scored.

Dewey Mickelsen, LF, Cubs - Dewey hit .354 with 2 homeruns, 12 RBI and 19 runs scored.

Wolter "Boeken" Tjeenk-Willink, LF, Senators - Wolter hit .354 with 3 homeruns, 16 RBI and 15 runs scored.

George "The Joker" Bowers, SP, Indians - Bowers went 4-1 with a 3.67 ERA.

Blake "Hitman" Crocitto, SS, Senators - Blake hit .436 with 18 RBI and 18 runs scored.

David "Harlequin" Hunter, 2B, Bees - David hit .362 with 19 RBI, a whopping 32 runs scored and 11 steals.

Jimmy "The Schnozz" Ditty, CF, Yankees - Ditty hit .299 with 4 homeruns, 11 RBI and 15 runs scored.

Al Arsenault, LF, Red Sox - Al hit .286 with 2 homeruns, 15 RBI and 13 runs scored.

Peyton "Flamethrower" Arana, SP, Cardinals - Arana went 3-3 with a 4.58 ERA.

William "Bill" Berry, RF, Indians - Bill hit .299 with 10 RBI and 15 runs scored.

Bobby "Tree" Martin, 2B, Giants - Martin hit .351 with 4 homeruns, 20 RBI and 16 runs scored.

Jonathan "White Rhino" Wright, RF, Dodgers - Wright hit .284 with 20 RBI.

Tequila Allen, 3B, Red Sox - Tequila hit .469 in just 32 AB after losing his job to newly acquired Stew Tremere.

Elmer "The Jeweler" Menard, SS, Pirates - Elmer hit .385 with 13 RBI and 18 runs scored.

Carlos "The Colonel" Hulse, 1B, Giants - Hulse hit .359 with 2 homeruns, 15 RBI and 18 runs scored.

Jonny "Speedy" Perly, SS, Dodgers - Perly hit .348 with 17 runs scored and 12 steals.

Herman "Dunk" Dunkel, C, Cardinals - Dunk hit .342 with 2 homeruns, and 14 RBI.

Genarito Nunez, 3B, Cardinals - Nunez hit .333 with 13 RBI and 15 runs scored.

Em Pelto, 1B, Indians - Pelto was traded to the Indians on May 11th along with pitcher Al Weidenheimer for shortstop David Boyle. Em was sent to AAA, where he played the first minor league games of his career. He is expected to be the eventual replacement for Daniel Lutzke, but Lutzke is just 33 and has a few good years left.

Carlton · 07-07-2004, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tward13

There have been other serious beanball incidents. Mickey Cochrane's HOF career was shortened by a beanball.

Did we have anyone die tragically at an early age like Addie Joss? While it's fun to note similarities and create a similar, but different timeline, I guess it doesn't have to mirror RL that closely.

I looked back, and Matt just had a rule change...with new balls but he did it earlier in 1916 to start lively ball...but lively ball here didn't really kick in until 1928 or so...

a couple of other RL 'incidents' we didn't have

Addie Joss dying,
Patrick 'Cozy' Dolan drinking seawater to cure sea sickness and dying
Ed Delahanty off of Niagara Falls
Elmer Flick and his stomach ailment (ulcer)
Tony Boeckel in 1923 IIRC being the 1st man in MLB to die in an automobile accident.
Although Kid Vacacini DID have an off year after his first two years which are Babe Ruth eerie...19 then 40 HRS then dropped to 25....I guess Kid had a bellyache heard round the world

Carlton · 07-07-2004, 06:44 PM

Matt,

I would like to volunteer Sal Rossi to be 'Lou Gehrig'

As you can tell from his last few years...he has slipped...and the A's have become worried...Sal has even taken more days off...he is right around that age and hey if he were alive I am sure he wouldn't mind being the one to give the "Today I consider myself..."

Matt from TN · 07-07-2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlton

I looked back, and Matt just had a rule change...with new balls but he did it earlier in 1916 to start lively ball...but lively ball here didn't really kick in until 1928 or so...

Actually, the HR totals have been there for a long time, it's just that the individual totals weren't as realistic... In other words, the league totals were right on, but no one was hitting 40+... the HR's were being spread around more... I did some editing to help fix that...

As for Sal Rossi... do you think he'd be remembered like Lou? I mean, the A's aren't exactly the RL Yanks for the 30's and Lou led the league in HRs and RBIs quite frequently....

jdw · 07-07-2004, 07:42 PM

metsgeek wrote:

> I could easily dig up a slew of 2nd and 3rd cousins.

I think you already have!

Seriously, if someone is going to kick the bucket, we should probably make his someone good rather than simply a Red Shirt to use a Star Trek fandom term.

> I'm quite sure that neither Kinnear nor Chestnut are ancestors. If
> someone were to be the "Lou Gehrig" of TWB, they should probably
> be changed to Durable for the rest of their career until the onset of the
> disease.

I don't think they need to match the Iron Horse in durability. More the notion of Greatness. Tyrell was a four time BOY along with a ROY and six Gold Gloves... the dignity with which he carried himself on so many mediocre Red Sox teams... truly a great player. He doesn't need the sympathy card to get in the HOF, but the "tragedy" of it would make a mark.

Just a thought.

John

jdw · 07-07-2004, 07:49 PM

Matt wrote:

> National League-Batter of the Month:
> Oscar "The Kid" Vancini (BKN)!
> He batted .396 in 106 AB, with 13 homers and 39 RBI.

And:

> AL HOMERUNS
> 13 Howard Sheridan, Red Sox
> 11 Leonard "Sunny" Davie, White Sox
> 11 Daniel Lutzke, Indians
>
> NL HOMERUNS
> 21 Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, Dodgers
> 12 Jeff Bundy, Dodgers
> 11 "Froggy" Borgert, Giants

Oscar (333) came into the year five behind Quenton Misisca (338) on the active HR list and seven behind Schwarz (340) on the all-time list. Oscar clearly is #1 now with 354 and Misisca with no more than 348. Did Oscar get to Schwarz's record before Misisca got to 341? Or was there a brief dog fight? If Oscar simply took it, is there a box score for History Section?

John

Matt from TN · 07-07-2004, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw

metsgeek wrote:

Seriously, if someone is going to kick the bucket, we should probably make his someone good rather than simply a Red Shirt to use a Star Trek fandom term.

I don't think they need to match the Iron Horse in durability. More the notion of Greatness. Tyrell was a four time BOY along with a ROY and six Gold Gloves... the dignity with which he carried himself on so many mediocre Red Sox teams... truly a great player. He doesn't need the sympathy card to get in the HOF, but the "tragedy" of it would make a mark.

With all respect to Sal Rossi, I think I have the perfect candidate... actually 2 potential players, but I'll make a choice betw. the two... I suppose I should keep it a secret until the next update comes out, likely tonight.

jdw · 07-07-2004, 07:56 PM

Matt wrote:

> As for Sal Rossi... do you think he'd be remembered like Lou?
> I mean, the A's aren't exactly the RL Yanks for the 30's and
> Lou led the league in HRs and RBIs quite frequently....

There really isn't any team that's the Yanks of the 30s other than the Yanks and the earlier Phils. Pops... you can't kill of Pops!

It's also too late since he retired. And the Yanks don't really have someone who fits the bill.

Chestnut sorta fits the bill, just without the team. Which gives it a TWB spin - a legendary player for bad teams who never let the poor play of the Sox drag him down.

John

Matt from TN · 07-07-2004, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw

Oscar (333) came into the year five behind Quenton Misisca (338) on the active HR list and seven behind Schwarz (340) on the all-time list. Oscar clearly is #1 now with 354 and Misisca with no more than 348. Did Oscar get to Schwarz's record before Misisca got to 341? Or was there a brief dog fight? If Oscar simply took it, is there a box score for History Section?

Here's a brief timeline:

4/6 - Vancini hits HR #334
4/12 - Vancini hits #335
4/13 - Vancini hits #336
4/14 - Vancini hits #337
4/15 - Vancini hits #338, tying Misisca
4/16 - Misisca hits #339
4/21 - Vancini hits #339, tying Misisca again
4/25 - Vancini hits #340, tying Schwarz
4/26 - Vancini hits #341, moving into 1st all-time
4/28 - Misisca hits #340, tying Schwarz
5/2 - Vancini hits #342 & 343
5/3 - Misisca hits #341 & 342, passing Schwarz
5/5 - Vancini hits #344

Since then, Vancini hit 10 more and currently has 354... Misisca hit 5 more and currently has 347.

Do you want a box score? If so, which one?

mauboy · 07-07-2004, 11:20 PM

Whenever Ervin plays well, the Yankees win.

The Yankees are in first as Ervin hits over .350!

Here's to hoping he doesn't get hurt like last year.

07-07-2004, 01:09 PM	#1545
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	Bourbon just keeps rolling along, Jr stumbling along, what did Tequila do? __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

07-07-2004, 04:45 PM	#1549
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	The league has had it out for all the Allens ever since Whiskey Sr. showed everybody up for years!!!! __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

07-07-2004, 06:30 PM	#1551
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	May 1939 Cleveland and Washington battled for most of the month, but the Indians slid by May's end and the Yankees heated up. New York wound up in a first place tie with the Senators, but the Indians are just 2.5 games back. The Red Sox have been playing well, going 16-11 in May and moving into 4th place. Meanwhile, the White Sox cannot seem to stay above .500. The Cubs went 15-13 and found the NL a lot tougher this month. Early in May, they lost "Punchy" Cote with a back injury that should keep him out until early July. Meanwhile, Brooklyn went 19-10 to move to within 1.5 games of first. Right on their heels are the Bees, who 16-11 this month. However, they lost Bourbon Allen until mid-July with a torn bicep. Boston also lost star leftfielder John Schmieder until early July after he fractured his hip while diving for a ball in the outfield. The Pirates have played well but finished the month on a 5-game skid and dropped to 4th. They also lost their ace, "Tex" Blakemore, until early July with elbow pain. The Reds were the 5th NL team with a winning record before losing 11 straight near the end of the month. On May 16th, the first night game in AL history took place in Philadelphia as the A's defeated the Yankees 6-0. View the BOX SCORE here. On the next day, Princeton defeated Columbia 2-1 in the first televised baseball game in history. American League-Pitcher of the Month: Art Booth (NYA)! He had a record of 7-1 in 8 games started, with an ERA of 1.39. American League-Batter of the Month: Blake "Hitman" Crocitto (WSH)! He batted .436 in 101 AB, with 0 homers and 18 RBI. National League-Pitcher of the Month: David Wickersham (CHN)! He had a record of 4-0 in 5 games started, with an ERA of 1.34. National League-Batter of the Month: Oscar "The Kid" Vancini (BKN)! He batted .396 in 106 AB, with 13 homers and 39 RBI. Code: American League Standings New York (A) 31 19 .620 - Washington 32 20 .615 - Cleveland 29 22 .569 2.5 Boston (A) 26 25 .510 5.5 Chicago (A) 26 27 .491 6.5 Detroit 23 27 .460 8.0 St. Louis (A) 20 31 .392 11.5 Philadelphia (A) 18 34 .346 14.0 National League Standings Chicago (N) 32 20 .615 - Brooklyn 31 22 .585 1.5 Boston (N) 30 22 .577 2.0 Pittsburgh 29 24 .547 3.5 New York (N) 24 27 .471 7.5 Cincinnati 23 28 .451 8.5 Philadelphia (N) 22 30 .423 10.0 St. Louis (N) 17 35 .327 15.0 AL AVG .431 Blake "Hitman" Crocitto, Senators .389 Wolter Tjeenk-Willink, Senators .369 Adolf Greisbach, Tigers NL AVG .395 George "The General" Ward, Bees .391 Elmer "The Jeweler" Menard, Pirates .369 Brad Coffenberger, Dodgers AL HOMERUNS 13 Howard Sheridan, Red Sox 11 Leonard "Sunny" Davie, White Sox 11 Daniel Lutzke, Indians NL HOMERUNS 21 Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, Dodgers 12 Jeff Bundy, Dodgers 11 "Froggy" Borgert, Giants AL RBI 41 Rollie McCord, White Sox 38 Leonard "Sunny" Davie, White Sox 38 Howard Sheridan, Red Sox NL RBI 57 Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, Dodgers 55 "Froggy" Borgert, Giants 46 Jeff Bundy, Dodgers AL STEALS 26 Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, Red Sox 22 Joe Campbell, Indians 19 John Shears, White Sox NL STEALS 27 Foglesong "Fuzz" Allen, Giants 22 Jonny "Speedy" Perly, Dodgers 21 Bud Breckenridge, Pirates AL ERA 1.83 Art Booth, Yankees 2.39 Chris Frays, Senators 2.94 George "The Joker" Bowers, Indians NL ERA 2.10 David Wickersham, Cubs 2.59 Otto "Kaiser" Kahle, Bees 2.95 Remmy Paul, Dodgers AL WINS 12 Art Booth, Yankees 9 Billy Crowell, Indians 8 Micky Guyton, Senators NL WINS 10 Otto "Kaiser" Kahle, Bees 9 David Wickersham, Cubs 8 Danny "Slim" Fitzgerald, Reds AL STRIKEOUTS 75 Jethro "Dodge" Lee, Senators 57 Art Booth, Yankees 56 Luke Riley, Yankees NL STRIKEOUTS 66 Frank Smith, Dodgers 65 David Wickersham, Cubs 56 Gerald Saxton, Cardinals Ancestors: George "The General" Ward, RF, Bees - Ward hit .359 with 4 homeruns, 18 RBI and 17 runs scored. Sam Kass, CF, Senators - Kass hit .264 with 4 homeruns, 16 RBI and 23 runs scored. Levi "Tyke" Walls, SS, Giants - Tyke hit .219 with 6 steals. David "Pops" McAuliffe, 3B, Cubs - Pops hit .291 with 2 homeruns, 11 RBI and 17 runs scored. August "Fat Gus" Kahle, 3B, Yankees - Gus hit .275 with 3 homeruns, 16 RBI and 12 runs scored. Kid Fite, 2B, Phillies - Augie Cost missed some time this month, giving Fite the chance to start again. He hit .317 with 2 homeruns, 10 RBI and 12 runs scored in 63 AB but he returned to the bench upon Cost's return. Salvatore "The Sicilian Saucer" Rossi, 1B, Athletics - Sal hit .296 with 8 RBI. Harry Finley, C, Yankees - Harry hit .324 with 15 RBI and 6 steals. Bourbon Allen, SP, Bees - Bourbon went 3-1 with a 3.40 ERA before tearing his bicep. He is out until mid-July. Otto "Kaiser" Kahle, SP, Bees - Otto went 6-0 with a 2.95 ERA. David Wickersham, SP, Cubs - David went 4-0 with a 1.34 ERA. He was named the NL POTM. Adolf "The Human Torch" Greisbach, SS, Tigers - Adolf hit .434 with 10 RBI and 10 runs scored. Lloyd Johnson, C, Giants - Lloyd hit .212 with 3 homeruns, 15 RBI and 10 runs scored. Alan Liao, 3B, Reds - Liao hit .302 with 17 RBI and 13 runs. Carl "Dutch" Kahle, C, Senators - Dutch hit .304 with 6 homeruns, 21 RBI and 16 runs scored. Carmack "Country" Alford, LF, Reds - Alford hit .330 with 3 homeruns, 10 RBI and 13 runs scored. Foglesong "Fuzz" Allen, LF, Giants - Fuzz hit .275 with 16 runs scored and 17 steals. John "Bucky" Smith, SP, Cubs - Bucky went 1-5 with a 5.63 ERA. Leonard "Sunny" Davie, C, White Sox - Sunny hit .373 with 6 homeruns, 18 RBI and 18 runs scored. Swervin' Ervin Skjerly, 2B, Yankees - Ervin hit .354 with 16 runs scored. Ricardo "Tiny" Bowden, SS, Red Sox - Tiny hit .269 with 16 runs scored and 8 steals. Keith "Dead-Eye" Laverick, 1B, Senators - Keith hit .275 with 2 homeruns and 11 RBI. Frank Smith, SP, Dodgers - Frank went 4-1 with a 3.57 ERA. F.X. Ditty, 2B, Indians - Ditty hit .347 with 2 homeruns, 14 RBI and 15 runs scored. Dewey Mickelsen, LF, Cubs - Dewey hit .354 with 2 homeruns, 12 RBI and 19 runs scored. Wolter "Boeken" Tjeenk-Willink, LF, Senators - Wolter hit .354 with 3 homeruns, 16 RBI and 15 runs scored. George "The Joker" Bowers, SP, Indians - Bowers went 4-1 with a 3.67 ERA. Blake "Hitman" Crocitto, SS, Senators - Blake hit .436 with 18 RBI and 18 runs scored. David "Harlequin" Hunter, 2B, Bees - David hit .362 with 19 RBI, a whopping 32 runs scored and 11 steals. Jimmy "The Schnozz" Ditty, CF, Yankees - Ditty hit .299 with 4 homeruns, 11 RBI and 15 runs scored. Al Arsenault, LF, Red Sox - Al hit .286 with 2 homeruns, 15 RBI and 13 runs scored. Peyton "Flamethrower" Arana, SP, Cardinals - Arana went 3-3 with a 4.58 ERA. William "Bill" Berry, RF, Indians - Bill hit .299 with 10 RBI and 15 runs scored. Bobby "Tree" Martin, 2B, Giants - Martin hit .351 with 4 homeruns, 20 RBI and 16 runs scored. Jonathan "White Rhino" Wright, RF, Dodgers - Wright hit .284 with 20 RBI. Tequila Allen, 3B, Red Sox - Tequila hit .469 in just 32 AB after losing his job to newly acquired Stew Tremere. Elmer "The Jeweler" Menard, SS, Pirates - Elmer hit .385 with 13 RBI and 18 runs scored. Carlos "The Colonel" Hulse, 1B, Giants - Hulse hit .359 with 2 homeruns, 15 RBI and 18 runs scored. Jonny "Speedy" Perly, SS, Dodgers - Perly hit .348 with 17 runs scored and 12 steals. Herman "Dunk" Dunkel, C, Cardinals - Dunk hit .342 with 2 homeruns, and 14 RBI. Genarito Nunez, 3B, Cardinals - Nunez hit .333 with 13 RBI and 15 runs scored. Em Pelto, 1B, Indians - Pelto was traded to the Indians on May 11th along with pitcher Al Weidenheimer for shortstop David Boyle. Em was sent to AAA, where he played the first minor league games of his career. He is expected to be the eventual replacement for Daniel Lutzke, but Lutzke is just 33 and has a few good years left. 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07-07-2004, 08:31 AM	#1541
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,965	There have been other serious beanball incidents. Mickey Cochrane's HOF career was shortened by a beanball. Did we have anyone die tragically at an early age like Addie Joss? While it's fun to note similarities and create a similar, but different timeline, I guess it doesn't have to mirror RL that closely.

07-07-2004, 02:33 PM	#1546
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Matt wrote: > Truly bizarre... When I first copied and pasted the data from web to wordpad to excel, I was scratching my head when my simple formulas to add "years" to people wasn't working. It worked well up until 1917, then went goofy in 1918. What's really odd is that the two positions in each league that are missing don't match up - each league goofed up in it's own way. > I'll go with the guys you added to the spreadsheet... They > all look legit... Unfortunately, 1918 is one of the league files > I no longer have. I think there's little doubt that OOTP was the one that must have glitched up - the Almanac for 1918 is off as well, as the "Sunday 9/5/1918" entry has just the players that have come down through time. Also, I think there's little doubt that Woody would have won yet another Gold Glove, and since it's not there on his player profile, OOTP must have just completely glitched up. You can add them easily enough to TWB's exisist data awards files? It's been a while since I edited one, but I seem to recall it wasn't too tough to go in and edit. Also, perhaps edit Woody's historical one to add it. I think that's just a matter of pulling up the HTML file and editing it in. I've never edited a TWB one, but it should be fairly simple. Let me know if you need any help with that as I can do it for you and shoot you a file you could save over the existing Woody http://www.cdml.ootp-leagues.com/twb/r374.html file up on the webpage and also the r374.html file on your PC. John

07-07-2004, 02:55 PM	#1548
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	This is probably more for the "live" thread, but... Matt wrote: > Well, I don't mirror stuff like Cochrane's beanball incident > only because I'd have to injure someone... I wanted to > replicate Doc's injury because it was historically significant... > And I was lucky enough to have a good OF have a career > ending injury that year, so I simply wove my story around it... We probably could have one of the Decendants volunteer one of their Ancestors to be Ray Chapman or Roberto Clemente or Lou Gehrig or have one die in WWII or Korea. Mets has a host of ancestors... Seriously, Lou retired early into 1939 after a big fall off in production in 1938 and an even worse start to 1939. He died in 1941. I don't know who would be a good candidate to be TWB's Lou. Sal Rossi had a really off year last year. He could bounce back. Not quite as good as Lou, but a very good player and at 35 years old you could have the "he could have done more if not hit with that terrible tragedy". Troy Kinnear is older, but really fell off... I don't recall if he's someone's Ancestor. Tyrell Chestnut was a great, great, great Red Sox player and had the worst season last year since his rookie campaign. He's 39 so it's not quite the Lou deal of being mid-30s, but it would be a true All-Time Great dying with the rush to put him in the HOF in 1941. Don't recall if he's an Ancestor either. For Clemente in 1972, you will want someone who's just about done but still very good and something of a "hero". Probably good to give the Decendants the first crack at volunteering since it does make for good "history". If not, then go for someone. If Chestnut isn't an Ancestor, invoke the Commissioner's Power to write it in. Lord knows poor Patrick Seifried is still suffering to this day under the Commish's decision to have him go Federal League. And like Pat has become great history, especially in the HOF discussions, so would a true legend like Chestnut going down to tragedy... or Sal or Kinnear. On Chapman, maybe eyeball something for the 50s. You are going to want someone in the prime of their career (no older than 30) with so much promise ahead. Again, maybe a Decendant will volunteer. It is something that would make the player stand out historically from the few hundred Ancestors we're going to have by the time the 90s roll around. John

07-07-2004, 06:44 PM	#1553
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	Matt, I would like to volunteer Sal Rossi to be 'Lou Gehrig' As you can tell from his last few years...he has slipped...and the A's have become worried...Sal has even taken more days off...he is right around that age and hey if he were alive I am sure he wouldn't mind being the one to give the "Today I consider myself..."

07-07-2004, 07:42 PM	#1555
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	metsgeek wrote: > I could easily dig up a slew of 2nd and 3rd cousins. I think you already have! Seriously, if someone is going to kick the bucket, we should probably make his someone good rather than simply a Red Shirt to use a Star Trek fandom term. > I'm quite sure that neither Kinnear nor Chestnut are ancestors. If > someone were to be the "Lou Gehrig" of TWB, they should probably > be changed to Durable for the rest of their career until the onset of the > disease. I don't think they need to match the Iron Horse in durability. More the notion of Greatness. Tyrell was a four time BOY along with a ROY and six Gold Gloves... the dignity with which he carried himself on so many mediocre Red Sox teams... truly a great player. He doesn't need the sympathy card to get in the HOF, but the "tragedy" of it would make a mark. Just a thought. John

07-07-2004, 07:49 PM	#1556
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Matt wrote: > National League-Batter of the Month: > Oscar "The Kid" Vancini (BKN)! > He batted .396 in 106 AB, with 13 homers and 39 RBI. And: > AL HOMERUNS > 13 Howard Sheridan, Red Sox > 11 Leonard "Sunny" Davie, White Sox > 11 Daniel Lutzke, Indians > > NL HOMERUNS > 21 Oscar "The Kid" Vancini, Dodgers > 12 Jeff Bundy, Dodgers > 11 "Froggy" Borgert, Giants Oscar (333) came into the year five behind Quenton Misisca (338) on the active HR list and seven behind Schwarz (340) on the all-time list. Oscar clearly is #1 now with 354 and Misisca with no more than 348. Did Oscar get to Schwarz's record before Misisca got to 341? Or was there a brief dog fight? If Oscar simply took it, is there a box score for History Section? John

07-07-2004, 07:56 PM	#1558
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Matt wrote: > As for Sal Rossi... do you think he'd be remembered like Lou? > I mean, the A's aren't exactly the RL Yanks for the 30's and > Lou led the league in HRs and RBIs quite frequently.... There really isn't any team that's the Yanks of the 30s other than the Yanks and the earlier Phils. Pops... you can't kill of Pops! It's also too late since he retired. And the Yanks don't really have someone who fits the bill. Chestnut sorta fits the bill, just without the team. Which gives it a TWB spin - a legendary player for bad teams who never let the poor play of the Sox drag him down. John

07-07-2004, 11:20 PM	#1560
mauboy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,906	Whenever Ervin plays well, the Yankees win. The Yankees are in first as Ervin hits over .350! Here's to hoping he doesn't get hurt like last year.