2007 New York Yankees Thread - Page 72

CommishJoe · 08-06-2007, 10:32 AM

That's a great shot!!

I figured that's what it was with Hughes, but it's good to hear by people who watched him. I'm already looking forward to his next start

As for Jeter, it's well known that he has trouble with inside pitches since he likes to lace the ball to the right side. Plus, he does crowd the plate. Both of those will equal a lot of HBP.

1998 Yankees · 08-06-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

As for Jeter, it's well known that he has trouble with inside pitches since he likes to lace the ball to the right side. Plus, he does crowd the plate. Both of those will equal a lot of HBP.

This coming from a fellow Yankees fan, I will agree with it then. The commentary from others, bah. The mere buzzing of flies.

Still, my 2007 Yankees season life flashes before my eyes every time he gets hit in the hand, which seems to be quite often. That's one thing Proctor was good for, exacting revenge for transgressions like this, almost to a fault.

Splitter24 · 08-06-2007, 01:39 PM

The Yanks released Mike Myers this morning. Am I missing something?

CommishJoe · 08-06-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Splitter24

The Yanks released Mike Myers this morning. Am I missing something?

Here's the quote from a Newsday article:

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The Yankees continue to remake their bullpen. Mike Myers will be designated for assignment today and righthander Jim Brower will be recalled from Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

Myers has been woefully ineffective in his main role of lefthanded specialist. Lefthanded batters hit .301 against him. He was 3-0 with a 2.66 ERA in 55 appearances. Brower, 34, is 4-1 with a 1.65 ERA and 20 saves for Scranton.

Meanwhile, Joba Chamberlain, who struck out five in two innings Saturday, is expected to have at least one more relief outing at Triple-A. "He's not getting on a plane to Toronto (today)," GM Brian Cashman said.

edog23 · 08-06-2007, 02:16 PM

With Myers gone, welcome to the bigs for Joba Chamberlain. I hope this is the shot in the arm for the bullpen they need.

Congrats to A-Rod and Godzilla on hitting their milestones at home over the weekend.

I'm feeling it right now. The schedule is gonna get a bit tougher, but things are working well for the Yanks. Keep it up.

Russ · 08-06-2007, 02:20 PM

Damn, the Yanks are a half game out of the WC.

eriqjaffe · 08-06-2007, 02:39 PM

BTW, WTF kind of name is "Joba"?

More importantly, doesn't he pronounce it "Jabba"?

1998 Yankees · 08-06-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Splitter24

The Yanks released Mike Myers this morning. Am I missing something?

The really odd thing is that his ERA this year was pretty darned good: 2.66. This goes back to a comment that I made earlier; for relief pitchers ERA can be deceiving. In his case, it wasn't just a small amount of innings pitched; his 40 2/3 was just behind Bruney and F********h. He just did not do the lefty specialist job that he was on the staff to perform.

CMH · 08-07-2007, 02:19 AM

Newsday is wrong.

So what that lefthanders hit .301 against Myers. He wasn't giving up a lot of runs.

A 2.66 ERA in 40 Innings isn't that small of a sample size. It's not 100 innings but it's right there with what a lot of relievers will get.

No reason to call him ineffective but to find one for his demotion.

Skipaway · 08-07-2007, 02:36 AM

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So what that lefthanders hit .301 against Myers. He wasn't giving up a lot of runs.

You'd be wrong then. Mike Myers set a career high for inherited runner scored this year.

He gave up a lot of runs, just the pitchers after him saved him a lot. It's also evident in how much fewer holds he got this year from his career norm.

CMH · 08-07-2007, 02:44 AM

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You'd be wrong then. Mike Myers set a career high for inherited runner scored this year.

He gave up a lot of runs, just the pitchers after him saved him a lot. It's also evident in how much fewer holds he got this year from his career norm.

And I figured this would be the counter argument.

The entire Yankee bullpen hasn't exactly been very good this season. Myers still held on with a solid ERA, though he affected others.

The point is simple. This is more about getting a youth movement than Myers' numbers. That's the simple truth and that's what makes Newsday wrong.

Skipaway · 08-07-2007, 02:49 AM

You just have to look deeper into it.

According to Baseball Prospectus, Mike Myers is the third worst reliever in the majors with inherited runs prevented, only behind Joseph Smith and Randy Flores.

In the mean time, Mike Myers is 7th overall in the majors with bequeathed runners prevented, which means he got the 7th best support in the majors from pitchers following him.

Skipaway · 08-07-2007, 02:54 AM

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The point is simple. This is more about getting a youth movement than Myers' numbers. That's the simple truth and that's what makes Newsday wrong.

I don't see how you'd say it got little to do with Myers' numbers, when his numbers are bad, and the team basically said it's because of his numbers.

CMH · 08-07-2007, 02:58 AM

The team can say what they want and I'm sure they use the same stats you brought up but I doubt Newsday is looking at the same thing.

They only talked about average against, not inherited runs scored.

I'm not going to say that Myers deserves to be on the big league roster but I'm positive that it wasn't average against that sent him down.

Skipaway · 08-07-2007, 06:29 AM

At least the average thing sounds more believable than the youth movement thing. Mike Myers talked about how he gave up too many hits to lefthanders and didn't do the job he's supposed to do too.

The player himself said it, Torre said it. Torre also said he's talked to Cashman about it. On the other hand, nobody ever mentioned a Yankees youth movement. The player replacing Myers is 34-year-old!

1998 Yankees · 08-07-2007, 10:45 AM

Here's a typical Myers scenario, based on what I often observed this year: The opposition is mounting a rally, runners on first and second, one out. Myers is called in to do the job that he was being paid for, to get the lefty out who is up next. He fails, and gives up a single or a walk. Torre lifts him and brings in somebody else who either shuts the door or, more commonly, lets one or two of the runners inherited by Myers to score but manages to get the third out before Myers' runner can score. Result: Myers' ERA is unchanged and improves when he pitches well in other, non-pressure situations. He still failed to do his primary job, a tough one I suppose because it was a highly specialized one, but that is why he was let go.

darkhorse · 08-07-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Splitter24

The Yanks released Mike Myers this morning. Am I missing something?

Your mojo?

darkhorse · 08-07-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by edog23

Congrats to A-Rod and Godzilla on hitting their milestones at home over the weekend.

So, ARod is five times more powerful than Godzilla?

1998 Yankees · 08-08-2007, 10:17 AM

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So, ARod is five times more powerful than Godzilla?

What's a bit poignant about this for Matsui is that, while A-Rod is still negotiating with the fan who caught his ball (it's going to cost Alex a bundle, if he ever gets it back), Matsui got his returned to him for a bat, a ball, and a tunafish sandwich.

CommishJoe · 08-08-2007, 10:41 AM

I just read about last night's game. You can say what you want about Clemens, he won't let his players get plunked without making the other team pay for it.

Joba threw 2 shutout innings last night and I heard his slider was filthy. Anyone see him throw?

Sometimes, I really miss not having a life so I could watch Yankee games all the time

08-06-2007, 10:32 AM	#1421
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	That's a great shot!! I figured that's what it was with Hughes, but it's good to hear by people who watched him. I'm already looking forward to his next start As for Jeter, it's well known that he has trouble with inside pitches since he likes to lace the ball to the right side. Plus, he does crowd the plate. Both of those will equal a lot of HBP. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

08-06-2007, 01:39 PM	#1423
Splitter24 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Willsboro, NY Posts: 2,895	The Yanks released Mike Myers this morning. Am I missing something? __________________ Currently Reading: The Sympathizer by Viet Thanh Nguyen "Well, the game is afoot. I’ll take anal bum cover for 7,000." - "Sean Connery" SNL Celebrity Jeopardy R.I.P. Tommy Holmes 1917-2008

08-06-2007, 02:20 PM	#1426
Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,923 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Damn, the Yanks are a half game out of the WC. __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

08-06-2007, 02:39 PM	#1427
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,648	BTW, WTF kind of name is "Joba"? More importantly, doesn't he pronounce it "Jabba"? __________________

08-07-2007, 02:49 AM	#1432
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	You just have to look deeper into it. According to Baseball Prospectus, Mike Myers is the third worst reliever in the majors with inherited runs prevented, only behind Joseph Smith and Randy Flores. In the mean time, Mike Myers is 7th overall in the majors with bequeathed runners prevented, which means he got the 7th best support in the majors from pitchers following him. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

08-06-2007, 02:16 PM	#1425
edog23 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Santa Rosa, CA. Posts: 493	With Myers gone, welcome to the bigs for Joba Chamberlain. I hope this is the shot in the arm for the bullpen they need. Congrats to A-Rod and Godzilla on hitting their milestones at home over the weekend. I'm feeling it right now. The schedule is gonna get a bit tougher, but things are working well for the Yanks. Keep it up.

08-07-2007, 02:19 AM	#1429
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	Newsday is wrong. So what that lefthanders hit .301 against Myers. He wasn't giving up a lot of runs. A 2.66 ERA in 40 Innings isn't that small of a sample size. It's not 100 innings but it's right there with what a lot of relievers will get. No reason to call him ineffective but to find one for his demotion.

08-07-2007, 02:58 AM	#1434
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	The team can say what they want and I'm sure they use the same stats you brought up but I doubt Newsday is looking at the same thing. They only talked about average against, not inherited runs scored. I'm not going to say that Myers deserves to be on the big league roster but I'm positive that it wasn't average against that sent him down.

08-07-2007, 06:29 AM	#1435
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	At least the average thing sounds more believable than the youth movement thing. Mike Myers talked about how he gave up too many hits to lefthanders and didn't do the job he's supposed to do too. The player himself said it, Torre said it. Torre also said he's talked to Cashman about it. On the other hand, nobody ever mentioned a Yankees youth movement. The player replacing Myers is 34-year-old! __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

08-07-2007, 10:45 AM	#1436
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Here's a typical Myers scenario, based on what I often observed this year: The opposition is mounting a rally, runners on first and second, one out. Myers is called in to do the job that he was being paid for, to get the lefty out who is up next. He fails, and gives up a single or a walk. Torre lifts him and brings in somebody else who either shuts the door or, more commonly, lets one or two of the runners inherited by Myers to score but manages to get the third out before Myers' runner can score. Result: Myers' ERA is unchanged and improves when he pitches well in other, non-pressure situations. He still failed to do his primary job, a tough one I suppose because it was a highly specialized one, but that is why he was let go. Last edited by 1998 Yankees; 08-07-2007 at 10:46 AM.

08-08-2007, 10:41 AM	#1440
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I just read about last night's game. You can say what you want about Clemens, he won't let his players get plunked without making the other team pay for it. Joba threw 2 shutout innings last night and I heard his slider was filthy. Anyone see him throw? Sometimes, I really miss not having a life so I could watch Yankee games all the time __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.