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ctorg · 03-08-2004, 01:44 PM

Now I just hope that the Cato utility gets updated.

Henry · 03-08-2004, 01:46 PM

Ctorg,

Please, PLEASE, change that avatar !! I just realized it ruined my appetite for lunch !! ;(

Henry

LivnLegend · 03-08-2004, 01:48 PM

If he changes back to the hot dog, that may help your appetite return!

Craig Scarborough · 03-08-2004, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt from TN
Does "Minor LG Option Years" have to be enabled for 40-man rosters & waivers to work? And will waiver claims be exported (for online lg's) when rosters are exported? Or will the commish still need to make the claim manually? For that matter, does waivers even work w/ online leagues since I suppose a player must be on waivers for 3 days or so and most leagues sim 7-15 days at a whack....

1. Do option years have to be enabled for 40-man rosters & waivers to work? Actually, 40-man rosters need to be enabled for minor league options to work. In the case of waivers, remember a waiver is also used to trade players after the trading deadline, not just for sending players to the minors who are out of options.

2. I can't really get into too much detail regarding waiver claims and online leagues, however I can point our that the waiver period is customizable. So, if you're league sims 7-15 games at a time, they can certainly extend the waiver period to something beyond that timeframe.

-Craig

Henry · 03-08-2004, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LivnLegend
If he changes back to the hot dog, that may help your appetite return!

LOL... ain't touching that one with a 10 foot pool LOL... but that guy really makes me want to heave LOL

Henry

crackpott · 03-08-2004, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry
Yes.

Bloody hell!

Oh well... everything else was implemented. Time to start my list for V7.

Bill II · 03-08-2004, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MASchiel
I .... AM ...... SPEECHLESS

FEELING .... FAINT .......

MUST .... LAY ... DOWN

Are you William Shatner?

marc · 03-08-2004, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Markus Heinsohn
I will release more info on the head to head soon

HEAD TO HEAD!!!???

Bill II · 03-08-2004, 02:17 PM

Will there be a Reserve Clause? (For pre- Andy Messersmith leagues).

Another nice feature would be the ability to offer cash in the trade window ("I'll give you $750,000 for Clint Hurdle or "I'll give you Steve Carlton & $150,000 for Clint Hurdle).

Jermanfu · 03-08-2004, 02:18 PM

wow....I've been lurking around the boards for months, uninspired to post. But this has stoked the fire again. As enjoyable as V5 is, it looks as if the customization of V6 will be simply amazing.

Sweed · 03-08-2004, 02:56 PM

Hope my wife has something to do this summer, looks like I'll be busy.

Looks great Markus.

PotatoPeeler · 03-08-2004, 03:02 PM

Sweet Jesus... this is the coolest thing I've seen all year! Great work, Markus!

Jonzard · 03-08-2004, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ctorg
Now I just hope that the Cato utility gets updated.

Amen to that!

fhomess · 03-08-2004, 04:50 PM

Is it possible to set the service time large enough that it never counts a year for each player? For instance, let's say I change my league to a 154 game schedule, but have my service time for a player year set at 162 games. No one will ever play a full year, so will they always remain on their current team without counting years of service time. This might be a way around having financials on but not free agency, if that's not possible within the game settings.

kingcharlesxii · 03-08-2004, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fhomess
Is it possible to set the service time large enough that it never counts a year for each player? For instance, let's say I change my league to a 154 game schedule, but have my service time for a player year set at 162 games. No one will ever play a full year, so will they always remain on their current team without counting years of service time. This might be a way around having financials on but not free agency, if that's not possible within the game settings.

I'm pretty sure the days carry over from year to year. IE if he played 154 games one year and 8 games the next, he'd meet the 162 requirement and get 1 yr experience. However, you could set it to some obscenely large # like 10 billion and you'd be safe.

EDIT: Probably not 10 billion, you'd get errors I'm sure. I tend to exaggerate

Some big # like 50000 would be a good bet.

Mike D · 03-08-2004, 04:57 PM

Guys, it's also days, not games. Days spent on a major league roster counts towards service time, otherwise some utilty players would never be arby eligible.

DCHepler25 · 03-08-2004, 05:29 PM

Just wanted to say that I agree with everyone else..... can't wait for the release, and I will be preordering as well!

rogmax11 · 03-08-2004, 05:38 PM

This all looks amazing, but I do have several questions, one of which I believe was asked previously:

1) Is there support for single-league post-seasonal play? And is there anything new in terms of the post-seasonal formats to choose from?

2) Will it be possible to "mix n' match" fictional and historical players in an easier fashion than one-by-one imports?

3) Will the player creation module require advanced knowledge of the stat methods being employed by the new engine, or will the process be simpler/more globalized for us non-SABR types?

4) Any changes in the schedule module?

In any case, count me in on pre-order. Damn the patches, full speed ahead!

sixto · 03-08-2004, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Markus Heinsohn
LOL... does it in real life? {regarding the clutch rating - sixto}

Exactly!

sixto · 03-08-2004, 06:15 PM

I do want to point out what is an apparent error on screen shot 3, regarding the 40-man roster and the waiver rules. If this post gets lost, I will start a new thread.

If the screen shot is accurate and accurately worded, the rule as listed for waivers is incorrect. It states:

Players with more than three years on the 40 man roster must clear waivers before being able to be sent to the minor leagues (if minor league options are enabled) or to be released. Also, in order to trade players after the trading deadline, players have to clear waivers as well. Teams my (sic) claim players from the waiver wire, but they have to keep the player on the active roster the entire season.

Actually there are two procedural mistakes in this paragraph.

1. There is no relationship between the length of time a player spends on the 40-man, and when he must go through waivers to be removed from the 40-man. From the very first day a player is on the 40-man roster, he must clear waivers in order to be removed from it. He does only have three seasons after he's first promoted to the majors (not first placed on the 40-man) in which he can be optioned to the minors - but that should be covered in the Minor League Option Years option.

As an example, say today I promote Cole Hamels to the Phillies 40-man roster. I cannot demote him from the 40-man roster, tomorrow or three years down the road, without sending him through waivers. If I could, it would essentially invalidate the purpose of waivers, which is to distribute talent.

(There is a 2- or 3-day period after the season ends when players can be demoted from the 40-man without going through waivers. I believe that players who are removed from the 40-man may opt for free agency at this time.)

2. The last sentence, "Teams may claim players from the waiver wire, but they have to keep the player on the active roster the entire season," is also procedurally inaccurate with regard to MLB rules. A player waived from the 40-man must be placed on the claiming teams 40-man, unless the waiving team recalls the waivers, in which case, waivers are recalled. However, there is no stipulation that the player must remain on the major-league roster.

Additionally, the rules for waivers with regard to the July 31 trade deadline have little bearing on waiver rules at other times of the season. Starting August 1, for example, when the Mariners are hopelessly out of first place, they may place Bret Boone on waivers with the intention of making him eligible to trade. However, should he be claimed by opposing teams, they will pull him back; more importantly, should he not be claimed, he will not then be removed from the 40-man - he will simply be eligible for trading. However, there may be times when it is necessary to remove a player via waivers from the 40-man, after the trade deadline. Now, I assume that Markus has accounted for this, but not knowing for sure, I figure it's safer to mention it now.

{edit: also, there is such a thing as irrevocable waivers, which I don't understand whatsoever.}

The waiver rules are exceptionally complicated and furthermore, there is no guidebook on waiver rules that's available for the public, so every word I've typed above would need to be confirmed. However, I'm 90% certain that the great majority of what I've typed here is accurate or nearly so.

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03-08-2004, 02:17 PM	#129
Bill II Major Leagues Join Date: May 2002 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 466	Will there be a Reserve Clause? (For pre- Andy Messersmith leagues). Another nice feature would be the ability to offer cash in the trade window ("I'll give you $750,000 for Clint Hurdle or "I'll give you Steve Carlton & $150,000 for Clint Hurdle). __________________ Bleeding Pirate Black since 1968! Visit the Great Gload's page. http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gloadro01.shtml

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Jermanfu All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 899	wow....I've been lurking around the boards for months, uninspired to post. But this has stoked the fire again. As enjoyable as V5 is, it looks as if the customization of V6 will be simply amazing. __________________ "I took the two most expensive asprins in history." - Wally Pipp on his decision to sit out a game with a headache which let Lou Gehrig into the lineup for the first time. http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/Jermanfu/

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03-08-2004, 01:46 PM	#122
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Ctorg, Please, PLEASE, change that avatar !! I just realized it ruined my appetite for lunch !! ;( Henry

03-08-2004, 04:50 PM	#134
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,649	Is it possible to set the service time large enough that it never counts a year for each player? For instance, let's say I change my league to a 154 game schedule, but have my service time for a player year set at 162 games. No one will ever play a full year, so will they always remain on their current team without counting years of service time. This might be a way around having financials on but not free agency, if that's not possible within the game settings. __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

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Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	Guys, it's also days, not games. Days spent on a major league roster counts towards service time, otherwise some utilty players would never be arby eligible. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

03-08-2004, 05:29 PM	#137
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03-08-2004, 05:38 PM	#138
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	This all looks amazing, but I do have several questions, one of which I believe was asked previously: 1) Is there support for single-league post-seasonal play? And is there anything new in terms of the post-seasonal formats to choose from? 2) Will it be possible to "mix n' match" fictional and historical players in an easier fashion than one-by-one imports? 3) Will the player creation module require advanced knowledge of the stat methods being employed by the new engine, or will the process be simpler/more globalized for us non-SABR types? 4) Any changes in the schedule module? In any case, count me in on pre-order. Damn the patches, full speed ahead!

03-08-2004, 06:15 PM	#140
sixto Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,262	apparent waiver rule error I do want to point out what is an apparent error on screen shot 3, regarding the 40-man roster and the waiver rules. If this post gets lost, I will start a new thread. If the screen shot is accurate and accurately worded, the rule as listed for waivers is incorrect. It states: Players with more than three years on the 40 man roster must clear waivers before being able to be sent to the minor leagues (if minor league options are enabled) or to be released. Also, in order to trade players after the trading deadline, players have to clear waivers as well. Teams my (sic) claim players from the waiver wire, but they have to keep the player on the active roster the entire season. Actually there are two procedural mistakes in this paragraph. 1. There is no relationship between the length of time a player spends on the 40-man, and when he must go through waivers to be removed from the 40-man. From the very first day a player is on the 40-man roster, he must clear waivers in order to be removed from it. He does only have three seasons after he's first promoted to the majors (not first placed on the 40-man) in which he can be optioned to the minors - but that should be covered in the Minor League Option Years option. As an example, say today I promote Cole Hamels to the Phillies 40-man roster. I cannot demote him from the 40-man roster, tomorrow or three years down the road, without sending him through waivers. If I could, it would essentially invalidate the purpose of waivers, which is to distribute talent. (There is a 2- or 3-day period after the season ends when players can be demoted from the 40-man without going through waivers. I believe that players who are removed from the 40-man may opt for free agency at this time.) 2. The last sentence, "Teams may claim players from the waiver wire, but they have to keep the player on the active roster the entire season," is also procedurally inaccurate with regard to MLB rules. A player waived from the 40-man must be placed on the claiming teams 40-man, unless the waiving team recalls the waivers, in which case, waivers are recalled. However, there is no stipulation that the player must remain on the major-league roster. Additionally, the rules for waivers with regard to the July 31 trade deadline have little bearing on waiver rules at other times of the season. Starting August 1, for example, when the Mariners are hopelessly out of first place, they may place Bret Boone on waivers with the intention of making him eligible to trade. However, should he be claimed by opposing teams, they will pull him back; more importantly, should he not be claimed, he will not then be removed from the 40-man - he will simply be eligible for trading. However, there may be times when it is necessary to remove a player via waivers from the 40-man, after the trade deadline. Now, I assume that Markus has accounted for this, but not knowing for sure, I figure it's safer to mention it now. {edit: also, there is such a thing as irrevocable waivers, which I don't understand whatsoever.} The waiver rules are exceptionally complicated and furthermore, there is no guidebook on waiver rules that's available for the public, so every word I've typed above would need to be confirmed. However, I'm 90% certain that the great majority of what I've typed here is accurate or nearly so. Last edited by sixto; 03-08-2004 at 06:19 PM.