Face the Board: Joe Morgan

[darkcloud4579]

Originally posted by Joe Morgan
I can understand your point of view but how is it different than giving the ROY award to a player who came up from the minors after 10 years. He has experience in the game and has played for 10 years, should we not give him the award because he has prior experience? I don't see the Japanese leagues as much different from our own minor leagues.

The Rookie of the Year Award is named for Jackie Robinson. A rookie who came to the league - from another top caliber pro league before making it in the majors.

Yes, he played in the minors too and the japanese guys who win these awards have not. But Jackie played in the minors in part because they were grooming him for his eventual debut, plus it was a far different time than the way things are now.

Should he have been ineligible based on the fact that he played in the Negro Leagues, which - is probably about the level - if not a little higher than, Japanese baseball today?

Something to consider...I agree with the bias against traditional rookies and those who come from other "major league level" leagues, but seeing as Japan is the only counterpart, I can't really say its unfair for those guys to not be considered for the award.

[Gastric ReFlux]

Are you a coffee drinker? Do you like your cuppa Joe in the mornings?

[Joe Morgan]

Originally posted by Skipaway
Would there be a good excuse for people like me to start threads like this in a forum that post counts?

Not that I can think of.

[Joe Morgan]

Originally posted by Sir Lurksalot
Mr. Morgan,

If the Diamondbacks would have had any semblance of an offense do you believe that Brandon Webb would have won ROY?

Yes, I do believe so. I think a big part of the reason Willis won the award was all of the exposure he got. If the Diamondbacks had been contenders all year I think he would have gotten more exposure and possibly some more votes. The fact is though that Willis had more wins which simply put means he made a bigger contribution to his team than Webb. Granted Webb had a weaker offense behind him but it's your job as a pitcher to go out there and win, you have to work with what your team gives you whether it's one run or six and Dontrelle obviously did the better job of that.

[Joe Morgan]

Originally posted by Joe Shlabotnick
Will the Cubs contend for the pennant next year? Is Corey Patterson as good as he looked in the first half?

I think the Cubs will contend again. The Central is a very weak division and the race will really be ip for grabs. Right now the Cubs would be my pick for next year but it really depends on what the Cardinals and Astros do which is looking like not much. I do believe Corey Patterson will be a big help for this team next year. He is a very talented player and cheap. He has a lot of learning to do still but is a good every day player.

Originally posted by Joe Shlabotnick
If you rolled a Clausen dill pickle and a yellow ping pong ball down a roof pitched at an angle of 37.4 degrees, and the pickle had a half-broken toothpick protruding from its center and the ping pong ball had hair mousse coating its surface, which would reach the bottom first?

Believe it or not I've actually tried his experiment before and it actually depends on the shape of the pickle and the how much of the toothpick protrudes out from the pickle. If it is a perfectly round pickle with a small bit of the toothpick sticking out then the pickle will win, if the pickle isn't perfectly round or the portion of the toothpick sticking out is rather laarge then the ping pong ball will win.

[Joe Morgan]

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Are you a coffee drinker? Do you like your cuppa Joe in the mornings?

I am and I do.

[Hammer755]

Originally posted by Joe Morgan
Granted Webb had a weaker offense behind him but it's your job as a pitcher to go out there and win, you have to work with what your team gives you whether it's one run or six and Dontrelle obviously did the better job of that.

Sorry Joe, but the stats say otherwise. Willis' run support was 4.6 runs/gm while Webb's run support was 4.5 runs/gm. Since Webb had much better numbers, why do you suppose that Willis had such a better record? Was it luck, or did that 0.1 run/gm difference have tha big of an impact?

[draven085]

Originally posted by Hammer755
Sorry Joe, but the stats say otherwise. Willis' run support was 4.6 runs/gm while Webb's run support was 4.5 runs/gm. Since Webb had much better numbers, why do you suppose that Willis had such a better record? Was it luck, or did that 0.1 run/gm difference have tha big of an impact?

Step aside Joe, let DRaven handle this one. Ever heard of park factors buddy? Webb's 4.5 r/g is actually significantly less than Willis' 4.6. Obviously all of Conine's dinners paid off with more offense.

[Gastric ReFlux]

If they clone Ted Williams, will the clone have veteran presence already? If we discover that's the case, do you think major league teams will go to court seeking to exhume bodies of one-time major league starts in an effort to improve their veteran presence?

[Hammer755]

Originally posted by draven085
Step aside Joe, let DRaven handle this one. Ever heard of park factors buddy? Webb's 4.5 r/g is actually significantly less than Willis' 4.6. Obviously all of Conine's dinners paid off with more offense.

Listen here Sparky, you have your own FtB, don't go ruining Joe Morgan's. If I wanted a reasoned response, I wouldn't have come here!!!111

[Joe Morgan]

Originally posted by Hammer755
Sorry Joe, but the stats say otherwise. Willis' run support was 4.6 runs/gm while Webb's run support was 4.5 runs/gm. Since Webb had much better numbers, why do you suppose that Willis had such a better record? Was it luck, or did that 0.1 run/gm difference have tha big of an impact?

Apparently it did. Slim margin but the proof is in the numbers.

[Joe Morgan]

Originally posted by draven085
Step aside Joe, let DRaven handle this one. Ever heard of park factors buddy? Webb's 4.5 r/g is actually significantly less than Willis' 4.6. Obviously all of Conine's dinners paid off with more offense.

Very good point.

[Joe Morgan]

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
If they clone Ted Williams, will the clone have veteran presence already? If we discover that's the case, do you think major league teams will go to court seeking to exhume bodies of one-time major league starts in an effort to improve their veteran presence?

Now that's just silly. Serious questions only please.

[draven085]

Originally posted by Hammer755
Listen here Sparky, you have your own FtB, don't go ruining Joe Morgan's. If I wanted a reasoned response, I wouldn't have come here!!!111

sorry Hammer

[Gastric ReFlux]

What's so silly about using the latest in cloning technology to further improve the team? Don't you have any sense of team spirit, Joe?

[Vryllyn]

Joe,

How does Clutch Abilites and Veteran Leadership help you win in Baseball? To me, Clutch Hitting is more of a hit or miss. If a pitcher, chooses the wrong location to pitch the ball and it just happens to go into a hitters strength. Then that would be more of a bad pitch to a hitter's strength. Thus, leading to a possible hit for the batter due the fact it's in his strength. I understand Clutch abilities in Football. Someone like Joe Montana or Brett Favre who can handle the pressure of a 4th Quarter comeback. But looking at the Yankees, they had lots of experience in World Series play, but then you have Soriano who just slumped throughout the series.

Veteran Leadership? What if you have a player who has played, let's say, 13 years, above average player but totally problem off the field but he is the only Veteran on a young team. Wouldn't you
be afraid to have that influence in the club house? Even if his "veteran leadership" could help the team. I just don't see some one like Barry Bond's "Veteran Leadership" helping the Giants. He doesn't play hard at all. He doesn't hustle. His defense has gone down the tubes. But has a good arm, but he has been in the league for a while.

I just don't see how the two apply to Baseball. Football, yes. Baseball, no.

[Joe Morgan]

Originally Posted by Vryllyn

Joe,

How does Clutch Abilites and Veteran Leadership help you win in Baseball? To me, Clutch Hitting is more of a hit or miss. If a pitcher, chooses the wrong location to pitch the ball and it just happens to go into a hitters strength. Then that would be more of a bad pitch to a hitter's strength. Thus, leading to a possible hit for the batter due the fact it's in his strength. I understand Clutch abilities in Football. Someone like Joe Montana or Brett Favre who can handle the pressure of a 4th Quarter comeback. But looking at the Yankees, they had lots of experience in World Series play, but then you have Soriano who just slumped throughout the series.

Veteran Leadership? What if you have a player who has played, let's say, 13 years, above average player but totally problem off the field but he is the only Veteran on a young team. Wouldn't you
be afraid to have that influence in the club house? Even if his "veteran leadership" could help the team. I just don't see some one like Barry Bond's "Veteran Leadership" helping the Giants. He doesn't play hard at all. He doesn't hustle. His defense has gone down the tubes. But has a good arm, but he has been in the league for a while.

I just don't see how the two apply to Baseball. Football, yes. Baseball, no.

Soriano was a young player. He is the perfect example of why I would take a veteran player in the playoffs every time. He simply choked.

Clutch hitting can and is affected by the pitcher. Let me ask you this, wouldn't you be affraid to see Jeter come to the plate in game seven of the World Series, bottom of the ninth, Yankee's down by a run, two outs, runners on first and second? I know I would and so would the pitcher. The pressure of having to face a guy like Derek is undoubtedly part of what goes in to making the pitcher miss his spot and serve up a meatball to Derek. So yes, it does go both ways. We see this effect with Bonds all the time.

There are certain players that are 'clubhouse cancers' but in most instances veteran players are not your problems in the clubhouse. Even if they are disruptive it is usually just because of their intensity and the fact that they want to win so bad. That is not a bad example to set for their fellow teamates. Furthermore, veterans will set an example without even knowing it. Other players pick up on their work ethic. If they have been in the league for 13 years chances are they have a great work ethic that has kept them in the league. This sets a great example for the other players on the team.

A guy like Bonds is a leader. Other players see how hard he works and that rubs off. Bonds has an amazing training routine, there is no other way to explain the terrific physical shape that he is in at his age. If more players on that team would follow his example the Giants would have walked away with the West this year.

[Gastric ReFlux]

Joe,

Don't you think Barry Zito qualifies as veteran because he's won a Cy Young Award? Don't guys who win Cy Youngs automatically become vets?

[Davey Eckstein]

Does Kyle Loshe have any upside?

[Davey Eckstein]

Who's the most clutch player active? Ever? Least?