Historical database issues go here.

[Trav876]

UPDATE:

Man, this is all messed up. So I created a new game, clicked "Base Ratings on Real Life Stats, base potential on peak seasons of career" (instead of remaining years of career) ... also under import & maintain real minor leagues, I clicked "real life stats" instead of AI Evaluation...

And wouldn't you know it, now it didn't have any issues.

BUT, when I went into league settings after the game was created, and changed "Peak seasons of career" to "remaining years of career" (mind you, I DON'T have re-calc enabled), it loaded a new database and now has the "real life stats" of the players' entire careers, shown where there shouldn't be real life stats. It should just be all the stats prior to this season (which in this game, is 1994).

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[luckymann]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

If you start a new save with Minors in OOTP25. Default 1961 and run it until Reggie, Andy and Sal come in (I stopped the sim in 1975), and check their birth places, they are all correct and with the State.

If I import Reggie from the MiLB database in OOTP25 using his BBR Minors ID from the minor league database, the birthplace remains correct.

OOTP 24 had a ton of birthplace issues due to the db merger. I have to think that it stems from that and that you are viewing a game moved over from 24. Regardless of what the field is in any file, I am seeing the birthplaces (for those that have them) correctly from the db into the game. Sorry, G, not there is anything that can be done for 24 games carrying that issue forward.

All good, I was more concerned it was a general bug. I'll keep an eye on it in the Sox save, which was created on 25.

Thanks bud

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[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by Trav876

UPDATE:

Man, this is all messed up. So I created a new game, clicked "Base Ratings on Real Life Stats, base potential on peak seasons of career" (instead of remaining years of career) ... also under import & maintain real minor leagues, I clicked "real life stats" instead of AI Evaluation...

And wouldn't you know it, now it didn't have any issues.

BUT, when I went into league settings after the game was created, and changed "Peak seasons of career" to "remaining years of career" (mind you, I DON'T have re-calc enabled), it loaded a new database and now has the "real life stats" of the players' entire careers, shown where there shouldn't be real life stats. It should just be all the stats prior to this season (which in this game, is 1994).

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I have the same problem. I fixed it once but can't remember what I did...

[ayaghmour2]

Players that shouldn't be in Free Agency at game start:

RP Ed Green (109): green-001ed-
1B Pat Burns (108): burns-001pat
1B Mickey Heath (65): heath-001min (his real life stats don't match his BR page)

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by ayaghmour2

Players that shouldn't be in Free Agency at game start:

RP Ed Green (109): green-001ed-
1B Pat Burns (108): burns-001pat
1B Mickey Heath (65): heath-001min (his real life stats don't match his BR page)

Thanks. Errant stat lines pulling these people out of their proper timelines have been fixed going forward.

[dewelar]

Another player with incorrect birthplace info: Tim Harkness (harkne001tho) imports with his country of birth as the US rather than Canada. Baseball-reference lists his birthplace as Lachine, which is a borough of Montreal.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by dewelar

Another player with incorrect birthplace info: Tim Harkness (harkne001tho) imports with his country of birth as the US rather than Canada. Baseball-reference lists his birthplace as Lachine, which is a borough of Montreal.

Fixed. The borough isn't listed in the db so I assigned Montreal for now.

[luckymann]

I have seen this on and off for a few versions now, no idea what could cause it or why it only happens on occasion. I'm sure there's a logical answer; if not, then I guess it is a bug. If so, it's merely a cosmetic one to do with the translation because he is the correct age in the game itself - it's just this tab that's erroneous.

Ty Cobb in-game vs IRL



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[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by luckymann

I have seen this on and off for a few versions now, no idea what could cause it or why it only happens on occasion. I'm sure there's a logical answer; if not, then I guess it is a bug. If so, it's merely a cosmetic one to do with the translation because he is the correct age in the game itself - it's just this tab that's erroneous.

Ty Cobb in-game vs IRL



G

What are the details of the OOTP game type? I went to verify and show him at the expected age in Historical Game>Default Mode, rest at default. The fact it is off by a year, I think, is just the date used to turn the age odometer over in OOTP vs BBR.

[luckymann]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

What are the details of the OOTP game type? I went to verify and show him at the expected age in Historical Game>Default Mode, rest at default. The fact it is off by a year, I think, is just the date used to turn the age odometer over in OOTP vs BBR.

As far as I can remember bud it was set up as a fictional in 1901 with the MLB added for the players then deleted and historical rookies set to come into a draft each year alongside fictional players.

It's odd because I just saw Shad Barry and he's like 6 years off in the IRL stats tab but, again, is the correct age.

no real logic to it that I can see.

G

[Jeff1787]

In my random debut league real stats are mixed in with game stats. I can't figure out how to fix it. Below are Fred McGriff's stats.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

In my random debut league real stats are mixed in with game stats. I can't figure out how to fix it. Below are Fred McGriff's stats.

I'd guess - and it's just a guess - that the Import Real History was toggled on in Step 1 of the RD Wizard. I had to manually turn it off on mine RD game. I thought it was just carrying over a preset from my last game (which wasn't RD). If RD is defaulting to having Import History on, that ought to be changed. Anything particular you can think of that you customized in the set-up wizard or advanced settings to help someone try to replicate it?

[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

I'd guess - and it's just a guess - that the Import Real History was toggled on in Step 1 of the RD Wizard. I had to manually turn it off on mine RD game. I thought it was just carrying over a preset from my last game (which wasn't RD). If RD is defaulting to having Import History on, that ought to be changed. Anything particular you can think of that you customized in the set-up wizard or advanced settings to help someone try to replicate it?

I can't recall the exact set-up. How would I now turn off Import Real History?

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

I can't recall the exact set-up. How would I now turn off Import Real History?

That's the problem. I don't think there is a way. You can erase all stats, but I don't think you can undo that initial load of the back history. I sent a ticket in suggesting that when the RD box is selected, it force off the "Import History from XXXX" toggle because it defaults on and stays on no matter the mode chosen unless you manually turn it off.

Like I said, it's a guess that that's what caused it but I'm not sure what else would pull that info into the game.

Do players from different eras show any variance in the data it pulled? Like does an 1884 player look any different than a 1980 player? When did the sim start? Players from all eras eligible to appear?

[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

That's the problem. I don't think there is a way. You can erase all stats, but I don't think you can undo that initial load of the back history. I sent a ticket in suggesting that when the RD box is selected, it force off the "Import History from XXXX" toggle because it defaults on and stays on no matter the mode chosen unless you manually turn it off.

Like I said, it's a guess that that's what caused it but I'm not sure what else would pull that info into the game.

Do players from different eras show any variance in the data it pulled? Like does an 1884 player look any different than a 1980 player? When did the sim start? Players from all eras eligible to appear?

I imported all history up to 1902 and had the first random draft in December 1902. Then the sim started in1903. If that makes sense. It seems to affect all players.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

I imported all history up to 1902 and had the first random draft in December 1902. Then the sim started in1903. If that makes sense. It seems to affect all players.

Baffles me how that would impact McGriff. Cy Young, sure. But not McGriff. However, I can't think of anything else that pulls in stats to those pages absent a history import and in-game play.

EDIT: If anyone else has had this happen, start a thread so a commonality in the set-up can be found. Thanks.

[CSK]

I am having lots of issues with players not importing to the teams they should be assigned to in historical sims. Just in the 2012-2013 offseason alone Pablo Lopez, Jonathan Loaisiga, Gregory Soto, Adbert Alzolay, Yonny Chirinos, Jonathan Hernandez, Freddy Peralta, and Dennis Santana are imported to the game as free agents. And there are way, way more that are importing as free agents in other years as well.

Edit: somewhat unrelated but I see plenty of 4+ star top prospects being released in my sims as well. I play with unlimited roster sizes in the minors so I doubt it could be a roster size issue

2nd Edit: The minor leagues as a whole are disappearing in 2023 for historical sims I’m pretty sure I’m on the most recent patch but it still is not fixed

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by CSK

I am having lots of issues with players not importing to the teams they should be assigned to in historical sims. Just in the 2012-2013 offseason alone Pablo Lopez, Jonathan Loaisiga, Gregory Soto, Adbert Alzolay, Yonny Chirinos, Jonathan Hernandez, Freddy Peralta, and Dennis Santana are imported to the game as free agents. And there are way, way more that are importing as free agents in other years as well.

Edit: somewhat unrelated but I see plenty of 4+ star top prospects being released in my sims as well. I play with unlimited roster sizes in the minors so I doubt it could be a roster size issue

2nd Edit: The minor leagues as a whole are disappearing in 2023 for historical sims I’m pretty sure I’m on the most recent patch but it still is not fixed

To replicate, tell me what year to start in. Thanks for the names to watch. Minors on, off? What mode & settings should I use?

[CSK]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

To replicate, tell me what year to start in. Thanks for the names to watch. Minors on, off? What mode & settings should I use?

Thanks for the response.

My original save that I noticed this in started in either 96 or 97, but I just made a new one starting in 2012 and most of those same guys plus a couple others notable names like Jose Siri and Willy Adames are free agents, so maybe the players who don’t import correctly it isn’t exactly consistent from save to save.

Settings are historical league, import historical rookies and assign to teams, no random debut, no amateur draft, unlimited minor league roster sizes, import and maintain real minor leagues, don’t use real historical transactions, automatically expand league, no recalc. Let me know if u need to know anything else.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by CSK

Thanks for the response.

My original save that I noticed this in started in either 96 or 97, but I just made a new one starting in 2012 and most of those same guys plus a couple others notable names like Jose Siri and Willy Adames are free agents, so maybe the players who don’t import correctly it isn’t exactly consistent from save to save.

Settings are historical league, import historical rookies and assign to teams, no random debut, no amateur draft, unlimited minor league roster sizes, import and maintain real minor leagues, don’t use real historical transactions, automatically expand league, no recalc. Let me know if u need to know anything else.

I think I see what is happening. No issue with the player database but when a team is missing from the teams file, the player record and the team file have a mismatch and so the game defaults to adding the player as a free agent. It's the Dominican Summer League in this case. Those teams are not there in the game in 2013 for example. So, trying to assign a player with a debut DSL Tigers stat line fails since it can't find the team.