CubbyFan23/haveband Roster Set Ratings Discussion

[randomlefty10]

also missing from the Ms

Juan Carlos Ramirez, SP.

also, here's the link to Mario Martinez

[Rastafreaky]

Originally Posted by randomlefty10

All stats normalized to 550 AB. All stats courtesy of BP and THT

Kenji Johjima -
Had 22 BBs in '06, on pace for 19 this year. Should have Patience reduced to ~50.
Avoid Ks should be bumped up a few points (to about 161). You have him at 54, he's been right at 50 the last two years.
Had 20 HRs in '06, on pace for 19 this year, in SafeCo as a dead-pull RHB. That's probably around 25 in a neutral park. Increase power to ~125.
I'd add a touch more gap power too as he's on pace for over 37 2Bs this year and again, in SafeCo Field.
Up his HBP rating to ~15. 13 last year, 6 already this year.
Catcher arm should be improved. Mariners have allowed only 32 stolen bases (2nd fewest in AL) and have thrown out 33% of would-be stealers.

Jamie Burke, maybe up his BABIP rate a bit? He's seemed adapt at hitting well in MLB, SSS though

Rob Johnson, I would up his defense a touch. That's what he's known for.

Bryan LaHair, outside of a two-week period last summer, he's never sustained any real power. I would consider his potential to be what you have listed as his overall ratings.

Richie Sexson, fair projection, but again, SafeCo effect, you have to up his power to get to neutral park numbers. I would say 143 in gap and 153 in power giving you 38 2Bs and 34 HRs. As to his defense, he has terrible range but is great at not committing errors and stopping wild throws.

Mike Morse, I'd raise his BABIP a tad so that he's like a .270 hitter now with .275 potential. His actual infield range is terrible. He cannot really play SS and he should have experience at 3B, which is what he plays now.

Jose Vidro, higher BABIP, lower power, keep his OPS about where it is.

Jose Lopez, current ratings pretty good, but needs a big boost in potential. The guy has sustained a career track that is a year or more ahead of Miguel Tejada and he plays in SafeCo, which saps his pull power. He should have about a 140 Gap and 130 power potential.

Adrian Beltre, not #69, he's #29. Needs the standard SafeCo adjustment for RH pull hitter. I'd raise gap and power about 3-5 points each and his BABIP a point or two.

Yuniesky Betancourt, not #84, he's #5. Needs his infield error knocked down a bit. He's always flubbed some routine plays, but his range is legit. I'd also knock down his patience potential a few points.

Raul Ibanez, BABIP up a few points to correct for SafeCo.

Adam Jones, should have some minimal experience in LF and RF. Also, guy has legit 30HR power. He's at 20 already in Chaney Stadium in Tacoma which might be worse than SafeCo for homeruns. I'd up the power potential to ~137. I'd also give him a slight boost in all his current ratings, pushing him closer to his potential.

Jason Ellison, probably rated a bit too high on offense. I'd knock him down a point or two across the board.

Wladimir Balentien, he's posting better numbers than Adam Jones in the same stadium so like Adam, he should be closer to his potential. Guy has crazy power, should be up to a 155 potential. He's taken HUGE strides in reading pitches, one scout was said to say it was the biggest single year of development he's seen in the last 10. His potential in that regard should be somewhere between 60 and 70, not 28.

Jose Guillen, can't tell how much is his bum ankles, but his range in the OF is terrible. I'd knock it down.

Ichiro Suzuki,
he's on pace to shatter the all-time record for putouts in CF, his range is crazy good, I'd up it close to max. Also should have full experience in RF given how much he's played there.
his BABIP needs to be higher, he's a career .333 hitter and is at .368 this year, he's not slowing down. Should be at ~155.
His power should be higher, he's good for 10 HR/yr in a neutral park (8+ in SafeCo). I'd raise it to ~60.

Felix Hernandez, he doesn't have a knuckle-curve, he does have a slider. Improve his control, at max potential, he's listed as walking 48 guys per 602 batters faced. For his career, he's walked 43 per 602 and one can only expect him to get better. However, his movement is way too high. He's allowed ~15 HR/s per 600 BF and playing in SafeCo dampens that number. Also, his velocity should be a tick higher, his 4-seamer sits at 97-98 when healthy.
I'd put his current ratings at this: 140-130-115
I'd put his potential ratings at this: 150-140-125
give or take a few points

Eric O'Flaherty, I'd up his potential ratings a bit. He's having a great season and he's only 22. Specifically, I'd give him more movement potential.

Sean Green's stuff rating is too low. He's got a new pitch and his K's have gone way up.

JJ Putz, more velocity, he sits high 90s.

Matt Tuiasosopo, he's re-established himself in AA this year. I'd raise his avoid Ks and power potential.

Brandon Morrow, I'd give him a few extra control potential points, maybe up to 80.

Greg Halman has insane power. He just cannot stop striking out. But his power potential should be something like 150. It's the best in the system. And his avoid K's, while it should be really really low, probably shouldn't be a 1. More like a 20 potential.

Austin Bibens-Dirkx needs potential boosts, he's playing in a launching pad in High Desert and holding his own. Plus his delivery will make him a great ROOGY. He's a true sidearmer with a lot of K potential to RHB. He should have extreme RHB/LHB splits.

Adam Moore needs more power potential.

Kameron Mickolio is currently in AAA and doing well. He needs a complete re-rate. He's probably going to see big-league action this year. His ceiling is about that of a solid MR, but his current ratings should reflect that of somebody who's doing fine in AAA.

Carlos Triunfel needs way more potential. 17 year olds just don't hit like that in the early months of the Midwest league. It's very cold up there April-June and he's facing a league average age around 20. Yeah he's raw, but he's the real deal. Power potential needs to be aligned with the rest of the potentials. He's an all-around player, if he follows through in development, his ceiling is ridiculously high, like consistent all-star high.

You're missing Mario Martinez, SS-OF.

Very nice! I agree with all of this, especially the Triunfel blurb.

[bas1311]

Hey. I've simmed a few seasons with the computer running things and here are a few things to report with the Yankees(Yes, I'm a Yankees fan)

First, the minor thing. ARod hit .248 with 24 HR's and 79 RBI's in 2007. He gets a little better in 2008 with more HR's and RBI's, but he still isn't approaching .300 or even .280. I know he sucks in the playoffs, but he is still a solid .290-.310 hitter every year.

OK. Now the major thing. In 2009, by the age of 23, Phillip Hughes is now back in the minors with these ratings.

Stuff 36(Potential of 17)????
Movement 68 (Potential of 48)
Control 39 (Potential of 20)
Overall Rating 20(Potential of 20)

He had a great 2007
16-7 3.03
Slumped in 2008
13-11 5.08
and now is a bum in AAA in 2009
2-6 4.64

Anyone else had this issue with him? I think 2007 at age 21 is a little early for him to start a downward slide.

[CubbyFan23]

Those are random talent changes that I have no control over unfortunately.

[bas1311]

I'm totally not being a jerk, just trying to learn. Would Hughes work better with higher potentials and maybe lower actual ratings at the beginning? I'm just surprised that he gets so bad at age 23.

[bas1311]

OK. Here's a new one. I'm in 2009 and still mostly checking out the Yankees. Unfortunately Pavano is still on the team, but the computer has changed him to a MR. Not so weird, but it still has him starting games and only pitching 3 or 4 innings. His endurance is still 62 which is higher than other starters who pitch much further into the game. I could change it by making his hook longer in the settings, but I am letting the computer do everything. Is this a glitch?

[CubbyFan23]

Originally Posted by bas1311

I'm totally not being a jerk, just trying to learn. Would Hughes work better with higher potentials and maybe lower actual ratings at the beginning? I'm just surprised that he gets so bad at age 23.

Oh I know, I didn't take it that way.

OOTP has some random talent changes that can make guys fluxtuate from what you think you'd see in real life. In this set, if all things remain constant, Hughes will be a #2/#1 after 3 years or so, what he'd be in real life. Unfortunately, things don't always pan out the way you think they will, and OOTP probably randomly shot down his ratings in your sim for one reason or another. Same way with Pavano.

[bas1311]

Thanks for answering. I didn't mean to imply that you thought I was being a jerk. I meant I didn't mean to be a jerk by asking about Hughes a second time. Anyway, thanks for the explanation.

[CubbyFan23]

I didn't mean to suggest that you were implying that I thought that you were telling me that I was a jerk.

So there.

[Blaksox1919]

Do personality ratings have any bearing on the players importance to the team?

[injury log]

Originally Posted by Blaksox1919

Do personality ratings have any bearing on the players importance to the team?

What do you mean by 'importance to the team'? If you're asking whether the AI takes personality into account when deciding whether to sign a player, or trade for a player, that's a good question. If you're asking whether personality affects how the team plays, the answer is yes, it can. Among other effects, Intelligence and Leadership affect how players develop (the player and his teammates); work ethic affects slumps (how quickly a player will break out of a slump); Greed and Loyalty largely affect contract negotiations; Desire for a Winning Team will affect a player's contract decisions and morale.

I think personality ratings are off, however, in this roster set, so they won't play any role unless you turn them on.

[yclept]

Originally Posted by bas1311

He had a great 2007
16-7 3.03
Slumped in 2008
13-11 5.08
and now is a bum in AAA in 2009
2-6 4.64

I've done a couple five year or so sims with the rosters; just trying to get a feel for the game, as I didn't play much of OOTP 2006.

Anyway, in the first five-year sim, Hughes was a beast. 2 Cy Young Awards, and was just dominating from day one.

In the second five-year sim, he was very average - didn't do what happened in your sim, but he was a # 4 type of starter in Year # 3, and didn't improve in years 4 & 5.

To me, this actually is not a terrible thing - I am a Yankees fan, just like you. And like you, I see a good future for Philip Hughes....but some big-time starting prospects have stagnated in the past. Others have fallen off of the Earth. Granted, it seems impossible that someone with Hughes' talent would have ratings that fell like that without an injury playing a role. So, perhaps it's a bit over the top - but again, I would rather Hughes NOT be great in every single historical sim

[GeoWar]

don't see J. Strong OF with Yankees --- or Erstad 1B/OF with CWS

[bas1311]

Originally Posted by yclept

I've done a couple five year or so sims with the rosters; just trying to get a feel for the game, as I didn't play much of OOTP 2006.

Anyway, in the first five-year sim, Hughes was a beast. 2 Cy Young Awards, and was just dominating from day one.

In the second five-year sim, he was very average - didn't do what happened in your sim, but he was a # 4 type of starter in Year # 3, and didn't improve in years 4 & 5.

To me, this actually is not a terrible thing - I am a Yankees fan, just like you. And like you, I see a good future for Philip Hughes....but some big-time starting prospects have stagnated in the past. Others have fallen off of the Earth. Granted, it seems impossible that someone with Hughes' talent would have ratings that fell like that without an injury playing a role. So, perhaps it's a bit over the top - but again, I would rather Hughes NOT be great in every single historical sim

I completely agree. I don't really know how the ratings work or how they change so I was curious if it was a glitch.

[pololuxury]

Some more that are missing

eric byrnes(Ari)
Paul byrd(Cle)

[eriqjaffe]

Originally Posted by GeoWar

or Erstad 1B/OF with CWS

I was just going to mention that, too, but then I searched the thread.

[yoyoma]

i will try here
Had a simple noob question does this set include all the logos, uniforms and ballparks? Or is that downloaded separately like football manager. I used your set last year and it was great just thinking about trying it again and seeing what else I might need. Thanks for any help.

[randomlefty10]

to further my point on Wlad's avoid K rating. so far, in 2007.

Wlad, 69Ks in 337 ABs (20.4%)

Adam Jones, 89Ks in 349 ABs (25.5%)
Brandon Wood, 80Ks in 313 ABs (25.6%)
Lastings Milledge (06 + 07), 85Ks in 380 ABs (22.3%)

all three players have higher K rates and yet have higher avoid K ratings in your set. Notably Milledge has a current avoid K rating of 90 with a potential of 102 and he strikes out more often than Wlad who has a current of 20 and a potential of 35.

My big point being, it's far enough along in the season, that for at least the big prospects, I think you have to weight the 2007 statistics heavily into their current/potential ratings. If that is something you want help on, send me an e-mail, I'd be glad to go through lists of people and offer up some modifications.

[evanbarth]

Just new to the set, I think its great by the way. One quick question, just wondering how you decided on the modifies of .600/.850. In other sets, I've seen them higher. Just wondering.

Thanks!

[injury log]

evanbarth- see recent discussion in the other Cubbyfan roster thread for details about the modifiers.

I'd also be willing to go through the set and update prospects based on 2007 scouting reports and performance- randomlefty, PM me if you'll be working on this and want to share the job.