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Cubsgnrlmngr · 01-04-2006, 04:55 PM

Of course part of baseball is to get a superstar like Texeira for really cheap for 6 years, but then they make big bucks! That's what happens to everyone now of days and it's realistic. IE: AROD, Carlos Beltran, etc...

This is why the Marlins traded away AJ Burnett (because they couldn't afford him), Josh Beckett, Juan Pierre, etc...

This is why the A's always trade away their superstars or don't sign them once they leave arbitration (IE: Miguel Tejada, Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, etc...)

Everyone hates when it happens, but it's realistic.

Also...when u said some players don't turn out to be as planned, well then they probably won't get a ton of money as a restricted free agent and then you can sign them.

You can't honestly think it's unrealistic?

Espeizer · 01-04-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubsgnrlmngr

Of course part of baseball is to get a superstar like Texeira for really cheap for 6 years, but then they make big bucks! That's what happens to everyone now of days and it's realistic. IE: AROD, Carlos Beltran, etc...

This is why the Marlins traded away AJ Burnett (because they couldn't afford him), Josh Beckett, Juan Pierre, etc...

This is why the A's always trade away their superstars or don't sign them once they leave arbitration (IE: Miguel Tejada, Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, etc...)

Everyone hates when it happens, but it's realistic.

Also...when u said some players don't turn out to be as planned, well then they probably won't get a ton of money as a restricted free agent and then you can sign them.

You can't honestly think it's unrealistic?

yes i do. And I'm glad you caught my post before something screwed it up. Teams trade away guys like that because they have NO MONEY to sign them, not because they just don't want to. So If you don't have the money, you trade them away before they become a FA, but If you do have money, you sign them. For example, Eric Chavez, the A's resigned him to a 7-8 mil deal after his arby was up.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 01-04-2006, 04:59 PM

Also, if this rule would motivate you to trade a young superstar prospect then you simply are retarted. Plus you don't need to worry about it until he develops and is in the majors and then after 6 years.

The simple fact is... that this is why everyone hates the yankees, because they sign players from smaller markets when they can't afford them. You don't know how much this really happens but they really don't call it anything.

Wouldn't you like to have a superstar in the free agency pool once in a while rather than regular 2.5 star 30 year old guys?

Espeizer · 01-04-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubsgnrlmngr

Also, if this rule would motivate you to trade a young superstar prospect then you simply are retarted. Plus you don't need to worry about it until he develops and is in the majors and then after 6 years.

The simple fact is... that this is why everyone hates the yankees, because they sign players from smaller markets when they can't afford them. You don't know how much this really happens but they really don't call it anything.

Wouldn't you like to have a superstar in the free agency pool once in a while rather than regular 2.5 star 30 year old guys?

You realize this hurts the smaller market teams and helps teams like the yankees right? The smaller market teams get the top picks, and if they can't keep the superstars they develop, they will go into free agency and go to a bigger market team. It would be hard for small market teams to contend if they had 0 chance to resign their top prospects when they became superstars. I know your thinking its more realistic to have them become FA's, but the fact is that those teams should get a shot at resigning them. If they don't have enough money or don't want to pay them superstar money, then they become FA's. Thats how it works in real life.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 01-04-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Espeizer

yes i do. And I'm glad you caught my post before something screwed it up. Teams trade away guys like that because they have NO MONEY to sign them, not because they just don't want to. So If you don't have the money, you trade them away before they become a FA, but If you do have money, you sign them. For example, Eric Chavez, the A's resigned him to a 7-8 mil deal after his arby was up.

Of course, because they can't afford them... That's why they aren't getting them back! LOL Your just proving me right bud. Once they go into restricted free agency, they have the choice in signing them...but if they can't afford them, a big market team can, and they'll sign them.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 01-04-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Espeizer

You realize this hurts the smaller market teams and helps teams like the yankees right? The smaller market teams get the top picks, and if they can't keep the superstars they develop, they will go into free agency and go to a bigger market team. It would be hard for small market teams to contend if they had 0 chance to resign their top prospects when they became superstars

You just read me the MLB summary.

Lemme extrapolate it for you...

Small market team gets good young player in draft
He enters the majors
6 years later he is in trade talks
He gets traded because small market team can't sign him
That off season he is a free agent and signs with big market team

KC Royals draft Carlos Beltran
He enters the majors
6 years later he is in trade talks
He gets traded to Houston
Becomes free agent and signs with the Mets

steveman211 · 01-04-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubsgnrlmngr

You just read me the MLB summary.

Lemme extrapolate it for you...

Small market team gets good young player in draft
He enters the majors
6 years later he is in trade talks
He gets traded because small market team can't sign him
That off season he is a free agent and signs with big market team

KC Royals draft Carlos Beltran
He enters the majors
6 years later he is in trade talks
He gets traded to Houston
Becomes free agent and signs with the Mets

so even if a small market team manages to plan ahead, save up money and pay the superstar once he hits free agency they now won't be able to do it because there is a rule against it? good call

i know we're going for realism but we can't setup the league so that only the big market teams win and small market clubs basically have zero chance of any sustained success. gotta give them at least a chance and leave it up to the game to decide some of these things.

mooreadamc · 01-04-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by steveman211

so even if a small market team manages to plan ahead, save up money and pay the superstar once he hits free agency they now won't be able to do it because there is a rule against it? good call

i know we're going for realism but we can't setup the league so that only the big market teams win and small market clubs basically have zero chance of any sustained success. gotta give them at least a chance and leave it up to the game to decide some of these things.

Agreed!

bigdgp2 · 01-04-2006, 06:33 PM

I agree with not having a salary cap (100M cash max)

In OOTPBM, there will be compensation for lost FA's

My Nationals wouldn't be able to afford big name talent VIA free agency, but I wouldn't want huge markets like New York/Chicago/Los Angeles spending the same amount of money as small market teams. I don't think it's fair for the big market teams. If a big market team wants to spend $25M on one player, then let him. If someone is willing to take that risk, then he'll suffer the consequences of not being able to spend that money elsewhere.

jpogue · 01-04-2006, 06:52 PM

Ok so u want a salary cap to make things even. well lets talk real life numbers

Number of different champions and participants in the past 10 yrs and 15yrs
and participants
10 yr 15 yrs
NFL - 7 / 14 10 / 19

NBA - 4 / 10 5 / 14

MBL - 6 / 14 10 / 18

So basically what I am saying is that it does not take a salary cap to make the league have parady. The NBA and NFL both have salary caps and have 2 less adn one more champ in 10 yrs and no more and 5 less in 15. So poor management = poor management no matter what your limitations are.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 01-04-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by steveman211

so even if a small market team manages to plan ahead, save up money and pay the superstar once he hits free agency they now won't be able to do it because there is a rule against it? good call

are you serious? Have you not heard one thing that I've said? If a small market team manages to plan ahead, save up money and pay the superstar once he hits free agency they now won't be able to do it because there is a rule against it?.... There is no rule against signing him! You just have to have your player go through Restricted Free Agency where everyone is able to sign him. I hate it when good players get signed for 6 year deals real cheap where you know they could get a lot more money on the market, and in real life... they aren't retarted, they'd go to the market and see how much money they can make. It is reasonable. Also this rule would help people from tanking.

Also, it is not making it imazingly hard for small market teams to win. It's just how it is for small market teams. If they want to win, they have to do it with smaller payrolls. If they want to increase their market size, etc.. they will have to do it by winning games and producting tallent.

Trust me, it's more than possible to win if your a small market team. It's called money management. Most small market teams can afford a 50 million dollar payroll until they start winning.

We are just trying to increase realism. Reasonable contracts and everyone having a chance at signing the big free agent just increases this.

steveman211 · 01-04-2006, 07:12 PM

i understand what you're trying to do but if you want to increase the FA talent pool you should do something that effects all teams equally, not just picking on the poor.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 01-04-2006, 07:36 PM

How about we change the "top 5 picks in draft" to something more realistic. Every player that has a star rating of 4 (blue)stars or 3 (gold) stars and above (in halofan rosterset... that means an above average player or better), and has MINIMAL LOYALTY (that means he is not loyal to his team)... gets to become a restricted free agent. Many leagues do this. Would this be too extra ordinary?

A couple of the previous leagues I've been in have done this and both have worked greatly. It changes the value of minimal loyalty players because they won't sign extensions with you and will become big money free agents.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 01-04-2006, 07:42 PM

I also have a pretty cool idea, maybe we could have a team of writers (3 or 4) that would be willing to write an article on every trade. Since there won't be many trades in this league (theoretically) we could have the latest trades in a colum just like ESPN does it or something like that. Even the smaller trades such as a utilithy player getting traded for a spec in the trade deadline to help the team through some tough injuries so far this season.

I think that would be REAL cool.

Espeizer · 01-04-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubsgnrlmngr

How about we change the "top 5 picks in draft" to something more realistic. Every player that has a star rating of 4 (blue)stars or 3 (gold) stars and above (in halofan rosterset... that means an above average player or better), and has MINIMAL LOYALTY (that means he is not loyal to his team)... gets to become a restricted free agent. Many leagues do this. Would this be too extra ordinary?

A couple of the previous leagues I've been in have done this and both have worked greatly. It changes the value of minimal loyalty players because they won't sign extensions with you and will become big money free agents.

How about we scrap the idea since your the only one pushing for it and there are at least a couple opposed to it. Lets just use regular Free Agency, makes things so much easier on everyone.

jpogue · 01-04-2006, 07:47 PM

I kind of like using the team loyalty rating to help increase free agents. Would be nice to see larger amount of free agents

Cubsgnrlmngr · 01-04-2006, 07:47 PM

But that just wouldn't be realistic, sorry.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 01-04-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jpogue

I kind of like using the team loyalty rating to help increase free agents. Would be nice to see larger amount of free agents

agreed!!!

Espeizer · 01-04-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jpogue

I kind of like using the team loyalty rating to help increase free agents. Would be nice to see larger amount of free agents

Have you guys paid attention to this year's FA? There are so few premium players that guys like Furcal and Damon are getting superstar money. Some years there are lots of FA, some years there aren't, thats just how it's gonna be. I've never had a problem with players in free agency in any of my leagues.

Underlined.i · 01-04-2006, 08:07 PM

Sorry about the confusion...i'm Cody M of the Padres

01-04-2006, 04:55 PM	#121
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	Of course part of baseball is to get a superstar like Texeira for really cheap for 6 years, but then they make big bucks! That's what happens to everyone now of days and it's realistic. IE: AROD, Carlos Beltran, etc... This is why the Marlins traded away AJ Burnett (because they couldn't afford him), Josh Beckett, Juan Pierre, etc... This is why the A's always trade away their superstars or don't sign them once they leave arbitration (IE: Miguel Tejada, Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, etc...) Everyone hates when it happens, but it's realistic. Also...when u said some players don't turn out to be as planned, well then they probably won't get a ton of money as a restricted free agent and then you can sign them. You can't honestly think it's unrealistic? __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

01-04-2006, 04:59 PM	#123
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	Also, if this rule would motivate you to trade a young superstar prospect then you simply are retarted. Plus you don't need to worry about it until he develops and is in the majors and then after 6 years. The simple fact is... that this is why everyone hates the yankees, because they sign players from smaller markets when they can't afford them. You don't know how much this really happens but they really don't call it anything. Wouldn't you like to have a superstar in the free agency pool once in a while rather than regular 2.5 star 30 year old guys? __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

01-04-2006, 06:33 PM	#129
bigdgp2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 606	I agree with not having a salary cap (100M cash max) In OOTPBM, there will be compensation for lost FA's My Nationals wouldn't be able to afford big name talent VIA free agency, but I wouldn't want huge markets like New York/Chicago/Los Angeles spending the same amount of money as small market teams. I don't think it's fair for the big market teams. If a big market team wants to spend $25M on one player, then let him. If someone is willing to take that risk, then he'll suffer the consequences of not being able to spend that money elsewhere. __________________ https://challenge.ootpdevelopments.c...lawlsopher.jpg Last edited by bigdgp2; 01-04-2006 at 06:40 PM.

01-04-2006, 07:12 PM	#132
steveman211 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 245	i understand what you're trying to do but if you want to increase the FA talent pool you should do something that effects all teams equally, not just picking on the poor. __________________ ISBL Pirates

01-04-2006, 07:36 PM	#133
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	How about we change the "top 5 picks in draft" to something more realistic. Every player that has a star rating of 4 (blue)stars or 3 (gold) stars and above (in halofan rosterset... that means an above average player or better), and has MINIMAL LOYALTY (that means he is not loyal to his team)... gets to become a restricted free agent. Many leagues do this. Would this be too extra ordinary? A couple of the previous leagues I've been in have done this and both have worked greatly. It changes the value of minimal loyalty players because they won't sign extensions with you and will become big money free agents. __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett Last edited by Cubsgnrlmngr; 01-04-2006 at 07:38 PM.

01-04-2006, 06:52 PM	#130
jpogue Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 98	Ok so u want a salary cap to make things even. well lets talk real life numbers Number of different champions and participants in the past 10 yrs and 15yrs and participants 10 yr 15 yrs NFL - 7 / 14 10 / 19 NBA - 4 / 10 5 / 14 MBL - 6 / 14 10 / 18 So basically what I am saying is that it does not take a salary cap to make the league have parady. The NBA and NFL both have salary caps and have 2 less adn one more champ in 10 yrs and no more and 5 less in 15. So poor management = poor management no matter what your limitations are.

01-04-2006, 07:42 PM	#134
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	I also have a pretty cool idea, maybe we could have a team of writers (3 or 4) that would be willing to write an article on every trade. Since there won't be many trades in this league (theoretically) we could have the latest trades in a colum just like ESPN does it or something like that. Even the smaller trades such as a utilithy player getting traded for a spec in the trade deadline to help the team through some tough injuries so far this season. I think that would be REAL cool. __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

01-04-2006, 07:47 PM	#136
jpogue Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 98	I kind of like using the team loyalty rating to help increase free agents. Would be nice to see larger amount of free agents

01-04-2006, 07:47 PM	#137
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	But that just wouldn't be realistic, sorry. __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

01-04-2006, 08:07 PM	#140
Underlined.i Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 141	Sorry about the confusion...i'm Cody M of the Padres