New Non-HW Boxers Rated

[CONN CHRIS]

Bear:

Thank you for the work! I appreciate your willingness to look up and transcribe all that for me. I think I'll spend a little time with this information over the weekend and come up with a better rating for one of my favorite actors.

Christopher

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by bear

Most have shown something against Battad to get promoters to pop for plane fare to the island to face Harrington and expect to draw more than flies at the gate.

Bear

That is a great point and one that I often overlook in rating fighters. A few of the CT HW stiffs that I rated made trips to Europe to serve as cannon fodder. What I did not consider was that they obviously didn't fly on their own dime which means they must have shown something to someone. Still stiffs to be sure, but perhaps a cut above run-of-the-mill stiffdom.

I need to go back and look at a few of them.

Christopher


edit - I thought Billy Tisdale might have been one, but I checked and it wasn't him.

[bear]

That's one of the things that make examining records interesting. In the case of fighters we have never seen interpretation becomes an issue. The records present a hermeneutical problem, and we have to make explicit what is implicit in the record. It is easier to do this with British records than with US records of the Fleischer era. Nat Fleischer is praiseworthy for many things, but his insistance that there was no such thing as a TKO has made that task harder. The rsf and ret distinctions qualify the type of KO and reveal more about a fighter.

Bear

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

That is a great point and one that I often overlook in rating fighters. A few of the CT HW stiffs that I rated made trips to Europe to serve as cannon fodder. What I did not consider was that they obviously didn't fly on their own dime which means they must have shown something to someone. Still stiffs to be sure, but perhaps a cut above run-of-the-mill stiffdom.

I need to go back and look at a few of them.

Christopher


edit - I thought Billy Tisdale might have been one, but I checked and it wasn't him.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by bear

The records present a hermeneutical problem, and we have to make explicit what is implicit in the record.
Bear

Now you're starting to sound like my New Testament Studies Professor in college. (that's a compliment by the way )

Thanks again Bear,

Christopher

[bear]

One of my fields of expertise is hermeneutical phenomenology. I'm even listed in the Directory of American Philosophers. As an undergrad John Dominic Crossan was one of my professors.

Bear

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Now you're starting to sound like my New Testament Studies Professor in college. (that's a compliment by the way )

Thanks again Bear,

Christopher

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by bear

One of my fields of expertise is hermeneutical phenomenology. I'm even listed in the Directory of American Philosophers. As an undergrad John Dominic Crossan was one of my professors.

Bear

I had to Google him, impressive fellow. He likely had a hand in a few text books that I've lugged around but I am not familiar with him. To avoid misunderstanding, I did not get a degree in religious studies. My degree was in accounting but I managed to squeeze in 12 so credit hours of religious studies. I did attend seminary later in life but not to pursue a degree. I acted as a chaplain with Transport for Christ International for about 10 years and wanted to tighten a few skills. If anyone looks at that link, I am not in line with them theologically, I was with them because of the ministry area they served - I come from a reformed theology standpoint although I prefer a high church worship style. An evangelical Episcopal church would probably be more my style, but I have always been affiliated with the Reformed Christian Church. (The absurdity of denominations in the Protestant world is a topic that I could go on and on about)

I suppose that I should stop here, I've likely put you all to sleep - sorry.

Christopher

[bear]

I was conking out before seeing this post, Chris. 97 and humid here. We're leery about running our AC because power in our appartment nearly went out twice without it being on. Just feeling sweaty and sapped. It was hot and humid at the induction weekend too. Can't seem to escape from it. Drinking gallons of water and juice.

Taught philosophy and religion courses as a TA and adjunct in one of my earlier lives. It was daunting to be at departmental meetings that included both the theology and philosophy departments. That made guys like John Mckenzie and Bruce Vawter colleagues--both contributed heavily in the production of the New Jeruselem Bible. My theological background, as an allied field or minor, emphasizied ecumenism and process theology.

Bear

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I had to Google him, impressive fellow. He likely had a hand in a few text books that I've lugged around but I am not familiar with him. To avoid misunderstanding, I did not get a degree in religious studies. My degree was in accounting but I managed to squeeze in 12 so credit hours of religious studies. I did attend seminary later in life but not to pursue a degree. I acted as a chaplain with Transport for Christ International for about 10 years and wanted to tighten a few skills. If anyone looks at that link, I am not in line with them theologically, I was with them because of the ministry area they served - I come from a reformed theology standpoint although I prefer a high church worship style. An evangelical Episcopal church would probably be more my style, but I have always been affiliated with the Reformed Christian Church. (The absurdity of denominations in the Protestant world is a topic that I could go on and on about)


I suppose that I should stop here, I've likely put you all to sleep - sorry.

Christopher

[IceTea]

Frankie Mitchell Jr. Welterweight
30-4 14 KOs
Rating: 6

Home Town: Philadelphia, PA

L TKO2 Lavander Johnson
L TKO4 Julio Cesar Chavez
W TKO11 Anthony Boyle
W TKO2 Kenny Vice
L UD12 Brian Mitchell

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Just for fun, you can let some real fighters kick this guy around a bit.


MICKEY ROURKE - LHW (1991-1994) Overall Rating = 1

Hometown - Schenectady, New York, USA

6(5)-0-2

Rourke, a self-proclaimed tough guy and Hollywood actor, briefly tried his hand at boxing. Fighting in the USA as well as Japan, Spain and Germany, Rourke faced professional opponents Terry Jesmer, Darrell Miller and an assortment of other stiffs. He managed to escape the experiment without a loss at the age of 38 and resumed his acting career.

Rourke has been in a number of films including Fade to Black, Body Heat, The Pope of Greenwich Village, The Thin Red Line and Sin City. At 49 years of age, he is thankfully too old to give boxing another shot.

*** I did not know that he was from Schenectady which is about an hour east of me. He was good in "Spun" with Brittany Murphy, John Leguizamo, and Mena Suvari.

I heard a story once that he was sparring with Thomas Hearns and was fooling around until Hearns knocked him out with a right hand ending the sparring session.

MJ

[IceTea]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Here is a best guess on James West, if you find more info on additional fights Bear, I'll take another look at him. Thanks for mentioning his brief fight career.


ROBERT CONRAD MW (1962)

Hometown - Long Beach, California, USA

1(0)-0-0

Conrad is better known as a movie and television actor. His more notable roles included James West on the television series The Wild Wild West and Mag. Greg 'Pappy' Boyington on Baa Baa Black Sheep.

Also well known for daring people to knock the battery off his shoulder. I remember the show "Baa Baa Black Sheep" from the mid to late 70s.

MJ

[hamed]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I can get to him if you like, unless someone else has the urge.

Yes, please!

[bear]

He also played a retired fighter turned PI in Duke, a short lived show set in Chicago, that I really liked.

Bear

Originally Posted by IceTea

Also well known for daring people to knock the battery off his shoulder. I remember the show "Baa Baa Black Sheep" from the mid to late 70s.

MJ

[CONN CHRIS]

I have a new rating for Robert Conrad but I want to fiddle with the rest of his short opponent list and tweak him a bit more, I may post him along with his opponents tomorrow.

Here is the Messenger for Hamed - have I been living under a rock to not know anything about this guy? His photo is on the last page for anyone who is interested

ANTHONY "The Messenger" THOMPSON - MW (2002 - ) Overall Rating = 5
Hometown - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

18(13)-1-0 (through May, 2005)

A young Philly boxer that has been fairly busy by today's standards in taking 19 bouts over his first three years as a pro. To-date, his lone loss was a third round TKO to Grady Brewer in 2004 who has since gone on to win the IBA JMW belt but also has looked less impressive since his bout with Thompson. The Messenger can count Jonathan Corn, Sammy Sparkman, Dumont Welliver and Bradley Jensen among his 13 stoppage victims to-date.

[bear]

I'm looking forward to it.

I've been preparing a post regarding BUBBLE, the league I'm working on. I've got 5 pages in MSWord so far. I'll be covering intended format and possible franchise cities. 28 index cards left to input info from. With the potential franchise sites I'm including names and atendence info for some of the cities and venues that I've gleaned.

Bear

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I have a new rating for Robert Conrad but I want to fiddle with the rest of his short opponent list and tweak him a bit more, I may post him along with his opponents tomorrow.

Here is the Messenger for Hamed - have I been living under a rock to not know anything about this guy? His photo is on the last page for anyone who is interested

ANTHONY "The Messenger" THOMPSON - MW (2002 - ) Overall Rating = 5
Hometown - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

18(13)-1-0 (through May, 2005)

A young Philly boxer that has been fairly busy by today's standards in taking 19 bouts over his first three years as a pro. To-date, his lone loss was a third round TKO to Grady Brewer in 2004 who has since gone on to win the IBA JMW belt but also has looked less impressive since his bout with Thompson. The Messenger can count Jonathan Corn, Sammy Sparkman, Dumont Welliver and Bradley Jensen among his 13 stoppage victims to-date.

[mh2365]

Thanks for the rating Chris ... I changed the other Anthony Thompson to Tony, since he goes by Tony the Tiger