WC 2006 Official Thread - Page 632

redmarkYankees · 07-03-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

more like expected. What happeed to if it's not called on the field it's not applicable?

If it's dealt with on the field (even if dealt with too leniently), it can't be reviewed. If the referee misses it, it can.

ukhotstove · 07-03-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Willis 16

Excuse me while I train for my soccer career.

You could earn around £500 ($900) a week playing in the lowest of the professional leagues in England.

ukhotstove · 07-03-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

more like expected. What happeed to if it's not called on the field it's not applicable?

Not being a ref or knowing about the workings of the FA, FIFA and UEFA and not wanting to know what goes on behind their doors I think I'm right in saying that if the ref see's it and books a player nothing can be done, if the referee doesn't see it, it can be looked at. The real weird thing is if the ref sends a player off he can appeal and have it quashed or turned into a yellow but if a ref gives a yellow or nothing and it should have been a red then nothing can be done.

canadiancreed · 07-03-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Not being a ref or knowing about the workings of the FA, FIFA and UEFA and not wanting to know what goes on behind their doors I think I'm right in saying that if the ref see's it and books a player nothing can be done, if the referee doesn't see it, it can be looked at. The real weird thing is if the ref sends a player off he can appeal and have it quashed or turned into a yellow but if a ref gives a yellow or nothing and it should have been a red then nothing can be done.

and then you get cheap items like this with Italy calling it out and action being taken. If Italy does win it won't be looked upon that they were the superior team, but that they resorted to trickery or the like to earn the win and handicap the opposing team.

bababui · 07-03-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Two bits of news today.

First, German midfielder Torsten Frings is suspended from semi-final, after Italian journalists scour TV footage and find punch.

Controversy even before the game starts then.

This will more likely then not backfire on our Italian friends. The Germans are likely to make this a very personal match. And what was FIFA thinking about? Since Frings is nowhere near retirement nis punishment should have been administered after the WC.

Sdpm100 · 07-03-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

With the wages they pay it's obvious they don't get bucket loads of money and need to raise it some other way just imo when a team is called Red Bull New York then most of the world will never take MLS serious, same goes for Japanese football league nobody takes that serious and a good part of it is becuase of team names.

I have to completely disagree with you there. The main reason why MLS and the J-League are not taken seriously is because they don't have the world class players, and instead are made up of local, lower quality and lower talented players. It's got little or nothing to do with the team nicknames.

If most of the world class players played in a league with team names like Plymouth Pirates and Cardiff Cheetahs, people would still watch it in droves.

bababui · 07-03-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

I have to completely disagree with you there. The main reason why MLS and the J-League are not taken seriously is because they don't have the world class players, and instead are made up of local, lower quality players. It's got little or nothing to do with the team nicknames.

If most of the world class players played in a league with team names like Plymouth Pirates and Cardiff Cheetahs, people would still watch it in droves.

And there are goofy names in England too like the Magpies...

New York RedBull= Dons who used to be Wimbledon

Sdpm100 · 07-03-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

and then you get cheap items like this with Italy calling it out and action being taken. If Italy does win it won't be looked upon that they were the superior team, but that they resorted to trickery or the like to earn the win and handicap the opposing team.

It's the Italians returning the favour from Euro 2004, where the Danes got Francesco Totti suspended for the final two group games, by using TV footage played ad nauseum in Denmark to show he spat at one of their players.

ukhotstove · 07-03-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

I have to completely disagree with you there. The main reason why MLS and the J-League are not taken seriously is because they don't have the world class players, and instead are made up of local, lower quality and lower talented players. It's got little or nothing to do with the team nicknames.

If most of the world class players played in a league with team names like Plymouth Pirates and Cardiff Cheetahs, people would still watch it in droves.

No I'm talking about when it starts of if you have teams like Red Bull New York nobody will take you serious and all you'll get is washed up old players aka Gary Lineker, Mo Johnston and with the looks of it David Beckham getting one last pay day.

Russ · 07-03-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

No I'm talking about when it starts of if you have teams like Red Bull New York nobody will take you serious and all you'll get is washed up old players aka Gary Lineker, Mo Johnston and with the looks of it David Beckham getting one last pay day.

It's all about the cash.

Sdpm100 · 07-03-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

No I'm talking about when it starts of if you have teams like Red Bull New York nobody will take you serious and all you'll get is washed up old players aka Gary Lineker, Mo Johnston and with the looks of it David Beckham getting one last pay day.

That model has got football to be the number one team sport in Japan in just over a decade of the J-League.

bababui · 07-03-2006, 01:54 PM

Wonder what kind of a reception Mr C Ronaldo will be receiving across England this season??

Sdpm100 · 07-03-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

And there are goofy names in England too like the Magpies...

New York RedBull= Dons who used to be Wimbledon

And they are now in Milton Keynes. I don't see how it is similar to Red Bull New York though?

bababui · 07-03-2006, 01:56 PM

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And they are now in Milton Keynes. I don't see how it is similar to Red Bull New York though?

They are similiar in that they are both sellouts of the teams heritage. If I have gotten it right.

Sdpm100 · 07-03-2006, 02:00 PM

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They are similiar in that they are both sellouts of the teams heritage. If I have gotten it right.

This will show you why I'm not a football fan once and for all, because those passionate fans will disagree with me here, I know.
****nal used to play in Woolwich, south of the Thames, and then moved over the Thames to Highbury. Your favourite club, Leigh Railway Mechanics Institute, used to play in Horwich.

It's not as if Wimbledon even played at their own ground, now they've got their own stadium for the fans in South London with the new club - AFC Wimbledon, whilst the former club is in its own new stadium in Milton Keynes.

ukhotstove · 07-03-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

That model has got football to be the number one team sport in Japan in just over a decade of the J-League.

Maybe be big in Japan but nobody outside Japan takes it serious, I know part of it was due to injury but look at the flack Lineker took for going to Japan.

bababui · 07-03-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

This will show you why I'm not a football fan once and for all, because those passionate fans will disagree with me here, I know.
****nal used to play in Woolwich, south of the Thames, and then moved over the Thames to Highbury. Your favourite club, Leigh Railway Mechanics Institute, used to play in Horwich.

It's not as if Wimbledon even played at their own ground, now they've got their own stadium for the fans in South London with the new club - AFC Wimbledon, whilst the former club is in its own new stadium in Milton Keynes.

I thought Milton Keynes was an accounting firm that had bought the naming rights..

Ive gotten a real football education in this thread.

bababui · 07-03-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

That model has got football to be the number one team sport in Japan in just over a decade of the J-League.

But baseball has the more passionate fanbase. Its an incredible experience to see how the Hanshin Tiger fans cheer for their team. Baseball is ingrained much deeper in the Japanese soul. I could be wrong but I think the Japanese will be playing baseball long after the J League fad has passed.

Sdpm100 · 07-03-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Maybe be big in Japan but nobody outside Japan takes it serious, I know part of it was due to injury but look at the flack Lineker took for going to Japan.

No it's not but the reason is because there are no world class players.
And anyway, if you're building a fanbase in a country with very low interest in the sport, you should be more interested in what is going to bring in the crowds in your OWN country, not what the world thinks of how you're doing it.

Look at the NASL, they brought in all these stars from overseas without setting up ways to blood young American talent and the league failed.
MLS has done the opposite and it is under a more stable base with new stadiums and very few franchise moves.
Over time you can bring it more in line with the rest of the world once the fanbase will accept it (no overtime/shootouts, and allowing ties). You won't gain a fanbase if you alienate them by having European-style team names in a country where that is an unknown concept.

Sdpm100 · 07-03-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

I thought Milton Keynes was an accounting firm that had bought the naming rights..

Nope. It's a "new town", a city built to become a commuter city with the capital and other big suburban communities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes

And the two clubs: Milton Keynes Dons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes_Dons_F.C.
AFC Wimbledon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Wimbledon

Make up your own mind on whether it's a good move or not.

There is plenty of propaganda from both sides, but for those who moan because it's the start of "franchising" in football in this country, I would say to them "Where are other teams going to move to?"

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